I don't remember that but he looked so different from how he does now. And I saw one of those guys at a local Jazz club in Minnie and I KNEW he was a PIMP. Yo COMMON is ON....GREAT..I LOVe HIS WORK... I think there are 2 shows from HUNTS POINT ...

brothaluv said:

Well, I wouldn't so much say that genres will suffer. It's more like when a person tries to combine genres and doesn't have knowledge of both (real, true knowledge), then that's when the suffering will happen. Take R Kelly, for example. He sounds like a great musician/instrumentalist, but when he writes lyrics, he sounds like Wanda the Ugly Woman from the In Living Color sketches. R could take a hint from Elton John.

The P man is right, these youngsters have no direction, they have to be like Kanye West(one of the few who I like) and respect tha old school.[/quote]
I totally agree with you, especially about everyone guesting on each others albums. That pisses me off so much. You don't even know how talented the artist is because every song has a guest appearance by somebody on it. I'm shocked more people aren't bothered by that.[/quote]

You know, I agree with you. Why is it that every hip hop/R&B album out seems to have more tracks with guest spots than original tracks? Who do they think they're fooling? Oh, wait, I forgot. The same crowd who thinks "I should have cheated" is poetic is who they are fooling.

What does Prince think about Manson,Slipknot,Rob Zombie and NIN, and all that Goth and Punk stuff? For Kids or Anybody and all the Horror stuff out also? The kids grow up so fast and see things on Tv and it's on at 8pm with cursing and Gore and all. It's really HARDCORE TODAY...

I hate criminals and people who impersonate them...

vainandy said:

Ick. No. I don't like men like that at all. Those pimp wanna be's are so pathetic. They are not even men they are little weasles. I don't see how any woman could be turned on by a guy who is all "I'm a pimp" I mean their idols are men who take money from women after the woman does all the work. That just screams loser to me. Ice T makes me upset. I hope Prince doesn't like or work with him.

I like men who are gentlemen, educated, kind and a little crazy. Not some ghetto trash yuck.
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Krys,I didn't go to sleep either.... Secretly craving a Hamburger. LOL.. Well, I don't know what it is. I get excited and I like those old fashioned cars and the Hats and the Fur shit and the whole shabang. I'm not Sure why I like this so much. I Don't like MEN taking money like that and abuse. I just like I think the fashions and cars and stuff of like GLAMOUR not the ACTUALITY of LIVING like that. I kinda like the RAP GUYS all TOUGH BEING a SURVIVOR Thing. But the whole FASHION thing of PIMP is REALLY COOL and The GRITTINESS I SUPPOSE is KINDA SEXY the kinda shit I dug about OLE CONEY ISLAND and OLe 42nd Street. The GRITTINESS. The RAWNESS. I totally Miss when ya had those PORNO PLACES you could see 3 movies ya know and something about the WHOLE STREET LIFE. Have you Ever Seen those TRANSVESTITES around the MEAT PACKING DISTRICT? Some I saw were 17 years old and GORGEOUS. More GORGEOUS tha WOMEN... Remember,I just like REAL LIFE and REAL PEOPLE and ART. The Black and WHITE ART. It's so BEAUTIFUL to BEHOLD... Check out some ART BOOKS and PONDER What I am Talking about. Drive OUTSIDE Your NEIGHBORHOOd. Oh GREAT MOVIE for this ENRICHMENT DEFINITELY and BOOK Even BETTER...THE BONEFIRE OF THE VANITIES... Heck sometimes I think I should be a TEACHER I am So AWARE. But I have always been Curious about OTHER and I just LOVE to EXPLORE and LEARN... One should ALWAYS LEARN.....

Zelaira said:

Oh ok Zel now I understand! Yeah I love the seventies. Something so like you said, gritty about it. Have you ever seen the movie Superfly? Now that was pretty cool.

Zel I am so glad you are here on the org. You make this place interesting. It is like meeting a long lost sister or something when we started talking!

Thanks. Um... Yes loved Superfly bought the Soundtrack with Curtis Mayfield . Ny has a good store for Soundtracks in the Village. Miss that place also. Anyway, I was Always such an OUTSIDER LOOKING IN so to Speak. Always getting Educated on the REALISM of Things. Freddie's Dead is a Great Song.. Ya know man Sly"s Summertime was So On....I wonder how Different Minnesota was from Brooklyn? Sometimes,I think we are Alot Crazier and Wild and well I'm not a CONFORMIST for Damn Sure,But I wonder cause I Know how the NY scene was and it was So HOt. Prince said Minnesota Sucked. I think he Had to be Conservative over there. I would loved him to be from Downtown Brooklyn where my friends were at by Park Slope and shit or Eastern Pkway ya know and hang at the cool Village places jamming. Woulda Definitely Rode The Rollercoaster Of Love In Coney Island baby with some Cotton Candy,Churches Fried Chicken and Root Beer. French Fries from Nathans at 3am at the BOARDWALK...Don't know what he was doing for fun there. He would loved Alot of Punk. Lots of Groups. But Now, we have so much Rap man and it's either Brooklyn or Queens. Why were Kung Fu Movies so big in the 70's and why did they happent o play with say Friday Foster or Dolemite? I will Never Understand all that. Strange... Very strange Pairings. I'm Glad things aren't so today. I just Hate the Whole Mentality Really. The whole Seperation. Ya know like Prince's movies onl played at 2 theatres in Brooklyn..Kings Plaza Mall and Kingsway and Spike Lee's films played there also. And also all like Higher Learning or Fishburne movies played there too. Like how Come Bay Ridge Didn't play PRINCE MOVIES?

Zelaira said:

Well in some respect Minnesota can kinda be a bore. Lots of suburbs. Soccer moms. Mini vans.Churchs.Malls.

But on the other side of the coin you have...punk rockers, music, Walker art center, Yuppie bars, Funky botiques and vintage clothing stores. Hmmmm...

Did I ever tell you one summer I dated a Graffiti Artist Zel? He lived on Dupont ave right near Calhoun Square! God we had so much fun that summer. He showed me all over. Really cool places in Minneapolis really cool people who pass through here. Artists, writers, musicains! In the center of all this middle american midwest you do have alot of interesting things happening in this city.

That's true and I know Dupont also. It's very Villagey. I like that part Uptown /Calhoun Square. My Vibe... Peace Out Krys..Later...Tired...

Prince is right.For the most part,I don't even listen to much of today's R&B.It's a joke.I can't believe what this music has evolved into

poetbear68 said:

I totally agree with you, especially about everyone guesting on each others albums. That pisses me off so much. You don't even know how talented the artist is because every song has a guest appearance by somebody on it. I'm shocked more people aren't bothered by that.[/quote]

You know, I agree with you. Why is it that every hip hop/R&B album out seems to have more tracks with guest spots than original tracks? Who do they think they're fooling? Oh, wait, I forgot. The same crowd who thinks "I should have cheated" is poetic is who they are fooling.[/quote]


Yeah its like every rap/r and b album has about 10-12 tracks, all guested by other rappers/singerettes who will have the artists whose album it is guesting on their upcoming set in how many ever months it willl be released in. Enough already, plus u get a lot of bare song sketches and silly foul mouthed skits in the middle, I mean how many times can u be shocked by the words motherfucker and bitch in one song, they have been doing this shit for over 20 years and its tired. Plus the few actual "songs" have some guy rapping over a gorgeous soul original changed into chunks, to provide adequate back up for the rapped stream of profanities loping over it!!

I never listen to that shit! It's just so mindless, and theres not even 1 second of real music in it all!!!

So says the man who once declared 'I sincerely wanna fuck the taste out of your mouth'. Prince's highbrow and to some extent hypocrital opinion of his peers rubs me up the wrong way.

DavidEye said:

Don't you think its interesting that music we would have called R&B at one time is now another new genre "neo-soul". Folks don't even consider Alicia Keys, Angie Stone, Erykah Badu and Jill Scott....R&B....



and Did Z say that Deon Sanders was the Real Shit.... lawdy.....

jone70 said:

Beyonce, for what it's worth is a good singer. Despite the what has been said about her, she can carry a tune. This is probably the reason why he performed with her....couple that with the fact that at the time, she was the hottest thing out and he was promoting his tour. He is no stranger to promotiom....remember "SLAVE" written across his face?

shorttrini said:

course, that didn't stop prince from telling the world what he thinks about musicians who can't play an instrument. and how he sat down with beyonce and taught her some piano basics....

prince has a lot of negative things to say about 'music' and the state of the world these days... kinda sounds like an old fart

XxAxX said:

Well, it seems like you are of the opinion that today's music is not so bad. I have been around awhile, (maybe you could also call me an old fart) and I must add to my post above this one thought. There is no creativity in today's music. The only thing creative about today's music is how people think of creative ways to exploit and make money off of people who settle for uncreativly sample filled music. Prince, while he does use some samples in his music, does so in a creative fashion...so did Beyonce.(The horns in "Crazy in Love", is an old Chi-lites" sample). It is okay if you cannot play an instrument, the conventional way; but at least study your music history. Today's artist lack creativity and this is what Prince was saying.

shorttrini said:

that's just not true. it's (pardon me) nonsense

there is a TON of talent around, just as there was when prince was coming up. there always WILL be talent around. what has changed is that now we have to look a bit harder to find it


edited to add: and i'm an 'old fart' too
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XxAxX said:

the talent is there....and its not mainstream....

I remember when MTV was broadcasting the jumpoff for its MTV Africa....I was in heaven with all the great acts and music....

its there....clear channel, radio one, viacom just aren't interested.

Rhondab said:

shorttrini said:

shorttrini said:

just helpin' ya out with the quotes

I agree with Zelaira about the pimps image. I don't approve of beating on women at all. It's the whole look and attitude that I love. I've always loved the whole pimp and hooker look for the glamorous illusion. Staying out all night, wearing fancy outrageous clothes, driving Cadillacs, and talking cool phrases in rhymes and finger poppin'. The pimp is a man but he's wants to be just as "pretty" as his ladies. He's the ultimate male version of the word "vain".

I used to hang out with some pimps and hookers in the early 1990s when I was in my early 20s. We used to drink, talk shit, and hang out all night. It's not the glamorous life at all. In fact, it's a very dangerous life. Some of their tricks and johns are some real perverts. I still and always will love the glamorous illusion the lifestyle gives off but that's all.

JDINTERACTIVE said:

Yeah Prince said that, and there are a million other "lowbrow" Prince lyrics to choose from. But he also took the time to say alot more than just that.

That's just part of the difference.

Because Loverman Prince is CONCENTRATING on RELIGION,LOVE and Higher Issues. His music TODAY is more in a WAY POLITICAL and SOCIALLY CONSCIOUShe is DOWNPLAYING SEXUAL PROMISCUITY and PARTYING. He's more GROWN Up now,. He should kinda Realize this also. I Think it's just about FUN alot with Today's Music and Today's Generation wants to go to Clubs,Dance,Drink,Smoke and be Rebellious. Prince is more FAMILY and VALUES. He's more TEACHER. But, Today alot of Teenagers just DON"T WANNA KNOW. They just WANNa HAVE FUN with Fast Living and NO RESPONSIBILITY. Sad to say but TRUE. Romance should be INCOROPORATED MORE is TRUE in Today's MUSIC.
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I have a question....Do you all think that they will be playing today's music 40 years from now? Our parent's music is still being played 40 years later? If your answer is no,then you know where what the shape is of today's music.

I think it's just a TREND. To me there are Really No New R and B groups. Maybe Usher,Kayne. It's Rap. MTV and BET is STUPID ALREADY. It doesn't Seem like any other Music Exists except on VH-1. It's really not all that DEEP. I do Not Think all of this Music will be played No....

shorttrini said:

define today's music.


Bow Wow? or Angie Stone?

Rhondab said:

It is sooooo funny you made this statement. There is no reason to explain it but I just very recently got that. I am a deep lover and critic of music and about two weeks ago, I realized my thirst for quality R&B music can be found in what we call Contemporary Gospel. A lot of the RnB sounds I had been looking for is actually in Contemporary Gospel today. Of course I have the usual collections of Rahsaan Patterson, Jill Scott, etc., but I see Contemporary Gospel in a new light now.