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Reply #30 posted 12/05/05 6:17pm

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Bobby Valentino will save R&B.
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Reply #31 posted 12/05/05 6:18pm

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Janfriend said:

I still blame R. Kelly cool


R.Kelly has some classic joints.
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Reply #32 posted 12/05/05 6:19pm

Zelaira

I really am ADMIRING PRINCE for SPEAKING OUT on ALOT of ISSUES that he feels PASSIONATE About. It is a SHAME that it seems PEOPLE ARE COLD and KINDA just HARD NOWADAYS...COMPASSION and FEELING should be UTILIZED MORE.
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Reply #33 posted 12/05/05 6:52pm

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Zelaira said:

Damn KRys and Prince. . I happento like all the NEW R & B but yeah, the Cuture today is just about Getting it On say at the CLUB,Drinking Alot and Smoking Weed. LOL.... Romance seems to be OUT the Door... It's all about SEX,SEX,SEX and More SEX,SEX,SEX and it's on T.V. at 8pm and Cursing is Everywhere and seems like Group SEx is Popular in Dialog also. Watch the Dating Shows,Spring Break Stuff... It's just NUDITY and SEX... cool
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It is desensitizing. It is too much. You just wanna scream CALM DOWN. I feel sorry for my generation really. I'm glad I paid attention to older people when I was younger. Young people today need to realise that the opposite sex are more than just a physical entitity. Don't they care to connect on any mental, emotional,spitural way? Sex without a connection is so selfish and empty feeling. Honestly I would rather go masturbate than just fuck a guy on the first date that I was only half into.
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Reply #34 posted 12/05/05 7:01pm

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Universaluv said:

It's not quite dead but it's hurting. Too many producers, not enough musicians. Still, seeing artist like Leela James make some waves gives me hope (though they tend to get labeled "neo-soul" for some reason.)

Honestly, with music in general there's always been more crap than cream. Although the crap may dominate the charts at any given time, the cream will still be making records in ten years. keep hope alive!


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My band and Leela James have the same manager. Good to see her getting props.
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Reply #35 posted 12/05/05 7:05pm

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I blame Katrina.
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Reply #36 posted 12/05/05 7:05pm

Zelaira

I Know..I am sure there are Alot of Younger people who are GROUNDED and have CLEAR GOALS. Still ya know how College Life is and all that DRINKING and PARTYING goes.. There used to be a SAYING QUITE DUMB LIVE FAST AND LEAVE A GOODLOOKING CORPSE. HOPEFULLY that Way of thinking{IDEOLOGY} is laid to REST.... It SHOULD READ....THE FUTURE'S SO BRIGHT I GOTTA WEAR SHADES.
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Reply #37 posted 12/05/05 7:18pm

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Zelaira said:

I Know..I am sure there are Alot of Younger people who are GROUNDED and have CLEAR GOALS. Still ya know how College Life is and all that DRINKING and PARTYING goes.. There used to be a SAYING QUITE DUMB LIVE FAST AND LEAVE A GOODLOOKING CORPSE. HOPEFULLY that Way of thinking{IDEOLOGY} is laid to REST.... It SHOULD READ....THE FUTURE'S SO BRIGHT I GOTTA WEAR SHADES.


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Reply #38 posted 12/05/05 7:50pm

Janfriend

lilgish said:

Janfriend said:

I still blame R. Kelly cool


R.Kelly has some classic joints.


Yeah, "You Remind Me Of My Jeep" classic lol
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Reply #39 posted 12/05/05 7:58pm

Zelaira

What issue Krystal? Prince according to Housequake was looking to attend FABULOUS' BIRTHDAY PARTY IN CALIFORNIA.... FABUOLOUS is FROM BROOKLYN and he RULES. I LOVE FABULOUS MAN..HE's Really COOL...Ludicris was at Prince's Musicology Tour in NJ. I wonder what Prince thinks about Jay Z, SNOOP,50 Cent..I think he Likes RAP... Although he MAY NOT ADMIT it...
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Reply #40 posted 12/05/05 8:08pm

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Zelaira said:

What issue Krystal? Prince according to Housequake was looking to attend FABULOUS' BIRTHDAY PARTY IN CALIFORNIA.... FABUOLOUS is FROM BROOKLYN and he RULES. I LOVE FABULOUS MAN..HE's Really COOL...Ludicris was at Prince's Musicology Tour in NJ. I wonder what Prince thinks about Jay Z, SNOOP,50 Cent..I think he Likes RAP... Although he MAY NOT ADMIT it...


Oh I am sure he likes some hip hop. I like some hip hop. I like Snoop. He has only gotten better over the years. I just don't really like some of the messages they are giving out. Aceyalone now there is a rapper with a message and his lyrics really are poetry.
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Reply #41 posted 12/05/05 8:21pm

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Handclapsfingasnapz said:

jone70 said:



I guess the state of R&B didn't bother him enough to not perform with Beyonce at the Grammy's...

And really, do you want to take relationship advice from Prince? smile

(disagreers please don't hurt me boxed)

true...eeeeevil, but painfully true. lol

RIGHT!! falloff And he's put out a lot of crap in trying to keep up with the crap.
I'm sick and tired of the Prince fans being sick and tired of the Prince fans that are sick and tired!
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Reply #42 posted 12/05/05 8:23pm

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Adisa said:

Handclapsfingasnapz said:


true...eeeeevil, but painfully true. lol

RIGHT!! falloff And he's put out a lot of crap in trying to keep up with the crap.


Hmm well I really can't argue with this. Remember Gangster Glam everyone? biggrin
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Reply #43 posted 12/05/05 8:23pm

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Record companies, major corporations that control the radio airwaves like Clear Channel, and video channels like MTV and BET are to blame for the fucked up state of R&B today.

Rap and hip hop were never threats to R&B until record executives saw that white teenagers were into it. When they saw that major money could be made off a cheap form of music, they started signing more and more hip hop artists and less and less R&B and funk artists. They could make the biggest profit possible by spending the least amount of money possible. Even with the actual "singers", they pushed for more that had a hip hop sound so they wouldn't have to pay for musicians or musical instruments.

Then Clear Channel came in the picture. If there were any more real musicians out there, they were going to make good and damn sure that they got no airplay. If these groups were to catch on, it would cost more money to make the music and less profit for the record companies, which I truly believe Clear Channel must be working hand in hand with together. Groups like Cameo, The Barkays, and War had a new album in the mid 1990s but they were no longer on major record labels like they were in the 1980s. They were all on small record labels and got little or no airplay. Some of the tracks were decent but they couldn't get airplay because if funk were to come back, it would cost more money to make.

Now I hear Clear Channel is buying musical venues and nightclubs also. They want to control every aspect of the music business just in case something underground might catch on and come above ground to threaten hip hop. Funk died in 1990 and they claim that R&B is still alive. Well, it may be alive in ballads (which will always be in style) but even they are stripped down and have those weak hip hop drum machines in them. As far as anything that isn't ballads, the music never gets faster than midtempo. It's been this way for almost fifteen years and it's not going to get better because now there is a new generation that was actually born into this bullshit and that's all they know.
Andy is a four letter word.
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Reply #44 posted 12/05/05 8:23pm

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jone70 said:

Krystal666 said:

I was looking in the gallery when I came across that "My father named me Prince" interview in Code magazine. There was a good paragraph in there about today's R&B music.

Prince said "I've been tripping latley on how wack Rhythem and Blues sounds today. It's either(songs like) 'Bills, Bills, Bills" or "No Pigons" If that is the way men and women speak to eachother, no wonder relationships are such a mess." Prince shakes his head and laments the lack of real romance in today's music.



I guess the state of R&B didn't bother him enough to not perform with Beyonce at the Grammy's...

And really, do you want to take relationship advice from Prince? smile

(disagreers please don't hurt me boxed)



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Reply #45 posted 12/05/05 8:31pm

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jone70 said:

I guess the state of R&B didn't bother him enough to not perform with Beyonce at the Grammy's...


That was a damn disgrace. I usually tape all the musical performances on TV by Prince but I recorded over that one.
Andy is a four letter word.
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Reply #46 posted 12/05/05 8:32pm

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vainandy said:

jone70 said:

I guess the state of R&B didn't bother him enough to not perform with Beyonce at the Grammy's...


That was a damn disgrace. I usually tape all the musical performances on TV by Prince but I recorded over that one.


Hey don't give him such a hard time. He has to whore it out just like we all do sometimes too. biggrin
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Reply #47 posted 12/05/05 8:39pm

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Krystal666 said:

vainandy said:



That was a damn disgrace. I usually tape all the musical performances on TV by Prince but I recorded over that one.


Hey don't give him such a hard time. He has to whore it out just like we all do sometimes too. biggrin


I love and admire whores but he was a street crack "ho" on that one. I admire the call girls because they are more choosey and sleep with a better class of people instead of just any old common trash.
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Reply #48 posted 12/05/05 8:44pm

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vainandy said:



I love and admire whores but he was a street crack "ho" on that one. I admire the call girls because they are more choosey and sleep with a better class of people instead of just any old common trash.
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[Edited 12/5/05 20:39pm]


Oh you are too much. lol
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Reply #49 posted 12/05/05 9:50pm

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I agree
R AND B is virtually inseparable from rap, people say Missy E is R&B, but shes rap. Alot of music of this category is sexist yoyo bitch type stuff, fulling bragging about ice, crystal, hos, fancy cars dobermanns and shit. Whats sadder is the number of youths in it, like Lil Romeo and Bow wow, exploiting 10-12 year old kids to sing about bitches.
R&B has always been sexy about peoples Johnson's and stuff, but it had class u know, Prince or Al Greens sexy falsetto, or Luther Vandross, Marvin gaye s falsettos made those panties drop, and the emphasis was on love as well as sex. Theres no love in modern R&B/rap, its all power, where u at motherfucker and macking the hos, and unattractive female singers (if one can call cursing to a drum machine that) telling it like it is!!
And whats with this people guseting on each others album and shit all the time.

The P man is right, these youngsters have no direction, they have to be like Kanye West(one of the few who I like) and respect tha old school.
17 Years ago I made a commitment to Prince
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Reply #50 posted 12/05/05 9:52pm

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vainandy said:

Record companies, major corporations that control the radio airwaves like Clear Channel, and video channels like MTV and BET are to blame for the fucked up state of R&B today.

Rap and hip hop were never threats to R&B until record executives saw that white teenagers were into it. When they saw that major money could be made off a cheap form of music, they started signing more and more hip hop artists and less and less R&B and funk artists. They could make the biggest profit possible by spending the least amount of money possible. Even with the actual "singers", they pushed for more that had a hip hop sound so they wouldn't have to pay for musicians or musical instruments.

Then Clear Channel came in the picture. If there were any more real musicians out there, they were going to make good and damn sure that they got no airplay. If these groups were to catch on, it would cost more money to make the music and less profit for the record companies, which I truly believe Clear Channel must be working hand in hand with together. Groups like Cameo, The Barkays, and War had a new album in the mid 1990s but they were no longer on major record labels like they were in the 1980s. They were all on small record labels and got little or no airplay. Some of the tracks were decent but they couldn't get airplay because if funk were to come back, it would cost more money to make.

Now I hear Clear Channel is buying musical venues and nightclubs also. They want to control every aspect of the music business just in case something underground might catch on and come above ground to threaten hip hop. Funk died in 1990 and they claim that R&B is still alive. Well, it may be alive in ballads (which will always be in style) but even they are stripped down and have those weak hip hop drum machines in them. As far as anything that isn't ballads, the music never gets faster than midtempo. It's been this way for almost fifteen years and it's not going to get better because now there is a new generation that was actually born into this bullshit and that's all they know.


Its corporate racism too. U can't get a contract unless u sing that shit, if u r black and want a #1 u have to sing about fucking or dying. White men have always been amused by the disposable and shallow antics of the so called violent and over sexed black man since slavery. Instead people like Prince and the old R&B singers showed us off as the peacable sensual brothers we really are.
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Reply #51 posted 12/05/05 10:00pm

Zelaira

For some reason I am missing TONE LOC...Remember Mr FUNKY COLD MEDINA? And DEON SANDERS.... These were the REAL SHIT!
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Reply #52 posted 12/05/05 10:04pm

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brothaluv said:

Rhondab said:

I blame videos.....its about the look....not about the music and talent.

The TRUE singers all sing gospel.

It was the end of R&B when they combined the category into "hip/hop and r&b" as if they are the same genres.



You're right. Once they combine genres, usually one of the two will suffer. Just like Rythmn and Blues. When they did that, blues was all but forgotten. An ocasional single from Malaaco records and that was it. Though still around, blues was gone as a major force in the industry. Now the same is true of Hip-Hop/Rythm and Blues. One reason why rap is so beloved by the masses is because it's much easier to do. Everybody use to dream about playing basketball. Now they dream about becoming rappers. Its understandable but I still don't like it.


Even rap has been debased, can u have something like Chingy comparable to a master like Doug E Fresh or Curtis blow, ok hell even LL Cool J. Its all videos image and street lyrics that sell a rap or R&B act (rap with a few actually sung words all have fucing in them). The market is saturated with cheaply made disposable rap acts, all frontin as hardcore and bad, and so called talented artists in amongst them. Eminem in particular has a lot to answer for) Whats even sadder is here in New Zealand, we have Maori and Pacific Islanders imitating gangsta rap and doing drive by shootings, P is a major problem and death rap is also common. If they imitated Prince and what he stood for, clean but playful songs, no drugs and sheer hard work wouldnt that b better.
I hear y all about the moribund state of urban music, I was a rap fan up to 96, but went off it once I got to uni strange that.
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Reply #53 posted 12/05/05 10:10pm

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I was looking in the gallery when I came across that "My father named me Prince" interview in Code magazine. There was a good paragraph in there about today's R&B music.

Prince said "I've been tripping latley on how wack Rhythem and Blues sounds today. It's either(songs like) 'Bills, Bills, Bills" or "No Pigons" If that is the way men and women speak to eachother, no wonder relationships are such a mess." Prince shakes his head and laments the lack of real romance in today's music.

I really have to applaude Prince for his observation. He is totally right. New R&B music is just really lame. I love seventies and eighties R&B because it was very sexy and sensual. Nowadays it is all "What are you gonna do for me?" "I'm going to play you" It is all about this stupid power men and women think they have over eachother. What happened to just liking someone and expressing it and wanting to be around them not for any personal gain but because you just feel good around them?

Right on Prince. clapping
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clapping bow Right On! thumbs up!
"There comes a road in every man's journey that he's afraid to walk on his own.
I'm here to tell you, I'm at that road. And I would rather walk it with you than walk it alone".
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Reply #54 posted 12/05/05 10:12pm

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tane1976 said:

vainandy said:

Record companies, major corporations that control the radio airwaves like Clear Channel, and video channels like MTV and BET are to blame for the fucked up state of R&B today.

Rap and hip hop were never threats to R&B until record executives saw that white teenagers were into it. When they saw that major money could be made off a cheap form of music, they started signing more and more hip hop artists and less and less R&B and funk artists. They could make the biggest profit possible by spending the least amount of money possible. Even with the actual "singers", they pushed for more that had a hip hop sound so they wouldn't have to pay for musicians or musical instruments.

Then Clear Channel came in the picture. If there were any more real musicians out there, they were going to make good and damn sure that they got no airplay. If these groups were to catch on, it would cost more money to make the music and less profit for the record companies, which I truly believe Clear Channel must be working hand in hand with together. Groups like Cameo, The Barkays, and War had a new album in the mid 1990s but they were no longer on major record labels like they were in the 1980s. They were all on small record labels and got little or no airplay. Some of the tracks were decent but they couldn't get airplay because if funk were to come back, it would cost more money to make.

Now I hear Clear Channel is buying musical venues and nightclubs also. They want to control every aspect of the music business just in case something underground might catch on and come above ground to threaten hip hop. Funk died in 1990 and they claim that R&B is still alive. Well, it may be alive in ballads (which will always be in style) but even they are stripped down and have those weak hip hop drum machines in them. As far as anything that isn't ballads, the music never gets faster than midtempo. It's been this way for almost fifteen years and it's not going to get better because now there is a new generation that was actually born into this bullshit and that's all they know.


Its corporate racism too. U can't get a contract unless u sing that shit, if u r black and want a #1 u have to sing about fucking or dying. White men have always been amused by the disposable and shallow antics of the so called violent and over sexed black man since slavery. Instead people like Prince and the old R&B singers showed us off as the peacable sensual brothers we really are.


Exactly. All that violence and the talk about "keeping it real" and "staying true to the ghetto".....racists love it. They see them as "staying in their place in the ghetto fighting and killing where they belong".
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Reply #55 posted 12/05/05 10:14pm

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vainandy said:



Exactly. All that violence and the talk about "keeping it real" and "staying true to the ghetto".....racists love it. They see them as "staying in their place in the ghetto fighting and killing where they belong".


nod Keeping everyone seperated is brilliant in keeping racism alive and well.
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Reply #56 posted 12/05/05 10:17pm

Zelaira

LOl....Watch HBO'S PIMPS UP HOES DOWN..LOL.. ICE T with his CURLS...WATCH HUSTLE AND FLOW..... I'm probably one of Prince's ONLY BIG FAN who GET's OFF ON this SHIT...LOL... I LOVE RAP... biggrin
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Reply #57 posted 12/05/05 10:23pm

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Zelaira said:

LOl....Watch HBO'S PIMPS UP HOES DOWN..LOL.. ICE T with his CURLS...


lol I love the part when he was getting his hair done and talking about Warner Brothers.....

Yeah, I was a ho. I was Warner Brothers' bitch and they were pimping me. But I was a good ho..... lol
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Reply #58 posted 12/05/05 10:28pm

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When Bone Thugs & Harmony did a song called "The First Of The Month", I knew the end was near.
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Reply #59 posted 12/05/05 10:29pm

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tane1976 said:

I agree
R AND B is virtually inseparable from rap, people say Missy E is R&B, but shes rap. Alot of music of this category is sexist yoyo bitch type stuff, fulling bragging about ice, crystal, hos, fancy cars dobermanns and shit. Whats sadder is the number of youths in it, like Lil Romeo and Bow wow, exploiting 10-12 year old kids to sing about bitches.
R&B has always been sexy about peoples Johnson's and stuff, but it had class u know, Prince or Al Greens sexy falsetto, or Luther Vandross, Marvin gaye s falsettos made those panties drop, and the emphasis was on love as well as sex. Theres no love in modern R&B/rap, its all power, where u at motherfucker and macking the hos, and unattractive female singers (if one can call cursing to a drum machine that) telling it like it is!!
And whats with this people guseting on each others album and shit all the time.

The P man is right, these youngsters have no direction, they have to be like Kanye West(one of the few who I like) and respect tha old school.

I totally agree with you, especially about everyone guesting on each others albums. That pisses me off so much. You don't even know how talented the artist is because every song has a guest appearance by somebody on it. I'm shocked more people aren't bothered by that.
I'm not a fan of "old Prince". I'm not a fan of "new Prince". I'm just a fan of Prince. Simple as that
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