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Prince and Bruce, what a difference.. Prince should take some lessons from Bruce about selling catalogue (Alan Leeds mentions this too). I just bought the Born to Run box set, with a never released DVD from a 1975 concert, and a DVD of the making of the album. Bruce releases live Cd's, great box sets, Storytellers dvd's, and pretty much everything a fan could want. The funny thing is, he does it so well that it doesnt seem like he's selling out. I think it helps that he's still making great new music too.
Imagine if Prince released a third of what Bruce puts out for his fans.. It would be unbelievable, and would convert many new Prince fanatics.. The WB fight now is just about money, how can he not put great music out because hes not getting paid enough? what a loss.. ______________________________________________
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I've always thought of Bruce and Prince as my musical mother and father. I love them both. I didn't know bruce had something new out, I'll get right on it. Prince is more prolific of course but has less quality control. As far as Bruce not selling out, I don't know, I met Charles Cross, the former crony, bruce-hound (and an asshole too) and he seemed to be totally jaded and let down by Bruce and stated "he's not what you think he is". And when I asked him to explain he pointed out that his release at the time "greatest hits" was a blatant attempt to cash in. And also, he criticizes Bruce at every turn, like he takes it upon himself to be his conscience, he criticized his realease of The Rising as exploiting the 911 incidents and people. | |
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DMSR said: Prince should take some lessons from Bruce about selling catalogue (Alan Leeds mentions this too). I just bought the Born to Run box set, with a never released DVD from a 1975 concert, and a DVD of the making of the album. Bruce releases live Cd's, great box sets, Storytellers dvd's, and pretty much everything a fan could want. The funny thing is, he does it so well that it doesnt seem like he's selling out. I think it helps that he's still making great new music too.
Imagine if Prince released a third of what Bruce puts out for his fans.. It would be unbelievable, and would convert many new Prince fanatics.. The WB fight now is just about money, how can he not put great music out because hes not getting paid enough? what a loss.. ----- It is not up to him. Jesus!!! P does not own his WB catalogue and he has said he would be open to working on a box set but, it up to WB. Which by the way has new owners so I don't see what is stopping from going ahead and putting something out. | |
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laurarichardson said: P does not own his WB catalogue and he has said he would be open to working on a box set but, it up to WB. Which by the way has new owners so I don't see what is stopping from going ahead and putting something out.
My guess: $$$$ & $$$$. | |
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laurarichardson said: ----- It is not up to him. Jesus!!! P does not own his WB catalogue and he has said he would be open to working on a box set but, it up to WB. Which by the way has new owners so I don't see what is stopping from going ahead and putting something out. Why would warners spend any money on remastering, repackaging, remixing and then promoting a box set if Prince will not give it his blessing. In fact he would trash it. Plus what makes the box sets and reissues a good product is that the original artist has some input into the selection, the remastering process and package design and also there should be outtakes, unreleased stuff, and concert footage etc which WB does not have rights to. when prince says hes opento it, it just means he wants a huge advance. [Edited 12/29/05 9:28am] | |
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emesem said: laurarichardson said: ----- It is not up to him. Jesus!!! P does not own his WB catalogue and he has said he would be open to working on a box set but, it up to WB. Which by the way has new owners so I don't see what is stopping from going ahead and putting something out. Why would warners spend any money on remastering, repackaging, remixing and then promoting a box set if Prince will not give it his blessing. In fact he would trash it. Plus what makes the box sets and reissues a good product is that the original artist has some input into the selection, the remastering process and package design and also there should be outtakes, unreleased stuff, and concert footage etc which WB does not have rights to. when prince says hes opento it, it just means he wants a huge advance. [Edited 12/29/05 9:28am] ----- So what if he does want a hugh advance. Do you think none of the profits from the "Born To Run" set will go to Bruce (LOL). In addtion, P did not say anything about an advance he said he would be willing to work with them. Bruce owns his master tapes so I am pretty sure he is getting mad paid. Which is great because no artist should sit back and be pimped. | |
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thedoorkeeper said: laurarichardson said: P does not own his WB catalogue and he has said he would be open to working on a box set but, it up to WB. Which by the way has new owners so I don't see what is stopping from going ahead and putting something out.
My guess: $$$$ & $$$$. ----- Of course if they don't think it will sell they are not going to put it out. | |
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mozfonky said: I met Charles Cross, the former crony, bruce-hound (and an asshole too) and he seemed to be totally jaded and let down by Bruce and stated "he's not what you think he is". And when I asked him to explain he pointed out that his release at the time "greatest hits" was a blatant attempt to cash in. And also, he criticizes Bruce at every turn, like he takes it upon himself to be his conscience, he criticized his realease of The Rising as exploiting the 911 incidents and people.
If Charlie actually said this, he's truly fucked in the head (and he was never a Springsteen "crony" - just a fanzine editor) . Yes, God forbid the man put out a greatest hits record! As for his comments re: The Rising, it is well-known that Bruce has been a very generous donor to many charities, including several 9/11-related ones (and he personally spent time working with families who were left fatherless because of this tragedy). As for his "he's not what you think he is" comment, well - yes - if you think he is some kind of superhero who should do what he does for free, then he's not what you think he is. Bruce is the real deal. Trust me. | |
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Hey, don't get me wrong, I happen to think charles cross is a total asshole. Now I could be wrong about this, but i'm just repeating what he said. I happen to have outgrown heroes myself and I love bruce (and prince) as they are and really, I'm sure Bruce would be the first to say that he doesn't want to be on a pedestal. However, I think it's interesting that someone who was once so starry eyed and fanatical is so jaded. It makes me wonder what happened. At any rate, he's nothing more than an exploiter, he makes money off of someone elses name, first bruce, then he wrote a cobain book when he never really cared for him during his career, and now a hendrix bio. | |
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mozfonky said: However, I think it's interesting that someone who was once so starry eyed and fanatical is so jaded. It makes me wonder what happened.
What happened is that Cross has a ridiculously juvenile view of the world and wanted Bruce to forever remain in 1978, with the ideals of a 29-year-old. I think the fact that he had a problem with Springsteen putting out a greatest hits record says it all. | |
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What happened is that Cross has a ridiculously juvenile view of the world and wanted Bruce to forever remain in 1978, with the ideals of a 29-year-old. I think the fact that he had a problem with Springsteen putting out a greatest hits record says it all. [/quote]
maybe bruce told him to get lost, who knows? He's never done me any favors as a struggling musician and comes across as a kinda of a dick. | |
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It sure is a helluva deal though, 2 dvd's and a cd for 30-40 bucks, Bruce is much more open about his creative processes than Prince and much more accessible. I think this is going to be great. | |
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