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Thread started 11/28/05 9:53am

GustavoRibas

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Prince and David Bowie

hi people
Since Bowie and Prince were often compared because of their excentrical/inventive/unique approach to life and music, I would ask...

Did Bowie say something about Prince on interviews, praising him or showing respect? What does he think of P??
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Reply #1 posted 11/28/05 10:03am

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GustavoRibas said:

hi people
Since Bowie and Prince were often compared because of their excentrical/inventive/unique approach to life and music, I would ask...

Did Bowie say something about Prince on interviews, praising him or showing respect? What does he think of P??


i think he's made a few little offhand comments about prince over the years, but nothing really substantial. there's a rumor/legend that prince went to see bowie on the glass spider tour when it came into minneapolis, and the two jammed after the show at paisley park. i think the story's too good to be true, but you never know...bowie plays a mean sax, and prince loves his horns...
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Reply #2 posted 11/28/05 10:12am

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I think I've read about Bowie finding out that Prince was something special when he heard the 1999 album.
Except for his remarks about not understanding Prince's stand on file-sharing, I cannot think of any negative comments. Prince held at least one aftershow party at Paisley Park for Bowie and his Glass Spider Tour entourage and showed the SOTT concert movie.
Also, I vaguely remember a not-too-old Prince interview where he said that it was important that people like Bowie tried something different back then (refering to his on-stage Ziggy persona).
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Reply #3 posted 11/28/05 10:38am

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I've heard pretty much the same things already mentioned. Bowie digs P, there is no doubt about that. When I went to see Bowie at The Forum on his Serious Moonlight tour, before the show, "Let's Pretend We're Married" was played over the intercom.
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Reply #4 posted 11/28/05 11:50am

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Thanks a lot! Yes, how couldn´t they like eachother? Both were trying different things back then...
I still wish I could know if they really jammed or not smile
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Reply #5 posted 11/28/05 12:13pm

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GustavoRibas said:

Thanks a lot! Yes, how couldn´t they like eachother? Both were trying different things back then...
I still wish I could know if they really jammed or not smile



I really cannot see them jamming together...as much as I love Bowie, I think Prince and him have a very different approach to making music and playing music. I think Bowie has a more sort of "intellectual" approach, Prince a more intuitional. Bowie might play some sax but in a real jam session, Prince would run circles around him.
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Reply #6 posted 11/28/05 8:07pm

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calldapplwondery83 said:

GustavoRibas said:

Thanks a lot! Yes, how couldn´t they like eachother? Both were trying different things back then...
I still wish I could know if they really jammed or not smile



I really cannot see them jamming together...as much as I love Bowie, I think Prince and him have a very different approach to making music and playing music. I think Bowie has a more sort of "intellectual" approach, Prince a more intuitional. Bowie might play some sax but in a real jam session, Prince would run circles around him.


Couldn't they just jam? shrug
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Reply #7 posted 11/28/05 11:08pm

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heartbeatocean said:

calldapplwondery83 said:




I really cannot see them jamming together...as much as I love Bowie, I think Prince and him have a very different approach to making music and playing music. I think Bowie has a more sort of "intellectual" approach, Prince a more intuitional. Bowie might play some sax but in a real jam session, Prince would run circles around him.


Couldn't they just jam? shrug


what's that in your avator babe?
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Reply #8 posted 11/28/05 11:42pm

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kdj997 said:

heartbeatocean said:



Couldn't they just jam? shrug


what's that in your avator babe?


Huh? It's Nofert, wife of Rahotep. She's a few thousand years old.
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Reply #9 posted 11/29/05 6:46am

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calldapplwondery83 said:

GustavoRibas said:

Thanks a lot! Yes, how couldn´t they like eachother? Both were trying different things back then...
I still wish I could know if they really jammed or not smile
Bowie might play some sax but in a real jam session, Prince would run circles around him.


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! In your fucking dreams...
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Reply #10 posted 11/29/05 7:06am

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I read a Bowie interview in 1989 or so where he said he admired Prince but also felt that Prince had lost his way a bit, but would eventually find his way back.
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Reply #11 posted 11/29/05 7:22am

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TheMaster said:

calldapplwondery83 said:

Bowie might play some sax but in a real jam session, Prince would run circles around him.


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! In your fucking dreams...




Care to elaborate?

...'though there are other people involved in my fucking dreams anyway.
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Reply #12 posted 11/29/05 8:02am

Anxiety

TheMaster said:

calldapplwondery83 said:

Bowie might play some sax but in a real jam session, Prince would run circles around him.


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! In your fucking dreams...



this argument is kinda like saying that if prince and bowie were engaged in a chess match, prince would score more touchdowns. confused
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Reply #13 posted 11/29/05 8:25am

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I think that Bowie is more of a vocalist and arranger/orchestrator/producer/writer then a jamming musician... at least back in the 80's he was.

I wonder if these two will ever collaborate? Hey Jagger and Jackson did...
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Reply #14 posted 11/29/05 8:49am

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calldapplwondery83 said:

TheMaster said:



HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! In your fucking dreams...




Care to elaborate?

...'though there are other people involved in my fucking dreams anyway.


Bowie was doing jam sessions while Prince was still shitting on himself in Minneapolis...
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Reply #15 posted 11/29/05 8:53am

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ufoclub said:

I think that Bowie is more of a vocalist and arranger/orchestrator/producer/writer then a jamming musician... at least back in the 80's he was.

I wonder if these two will ever collaborate? Hey Jagger and Jackson did...


It's possible, since Bowie has collaborated with many talented people, from DIFFERENT GENRES (John Lennon, AL B. Sure, Ice Cube, Queen Latifah, Trent Reznor/NIN, Luther Vandross, Placebo, to name a few).

Prince is only working with Jazz/R&B folks...

I still think Prince would benefit from a "Tin Machine"-like band.

A band where everyone is equal, instead of everyone being at Prince's beck & call.
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Reply #16 posted 11/29/05 8:59am

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GustavoRibas,
Here you will like this...and maybe others will find it interesting as well. A few have mentioned the Glass Spider tour. This was about '87 I think? It was in support of Bowie's "Never Let Me Down" album. On that album was a song called "Zeroes" (maybe a joke on his "heroes" song?)...Anyway there's a great line in the song...it goes "And a toothless past is asking you how it feels/And me my little red corvette has driven by"...Bowie here was obviously acknowledging that the decade belonged to Prince when it came to experimentation and cutting edge work...great lyric.
--J
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Reply #17 posted 11/29/05 9:01am

Anxiety

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It's possible, since Bowie has collaborated with many talented people, from DIFFERENT GENRES (John Lennon, AL B. Sure, Ice Cube, Queen Latifah, Trent Reznor/NIN, Luther Vandross, Placebo, to name a few).

Prince is only working with Jazz/R&B folks...

I still think Prince would benefit from a "Tin Machine"-like band.

A band where everyone is equal, instead of everyone being at Prince's beck & call.


unfortunately, i don't think prince will ever be interested in working outside of the boundaries he has set for himself. he's not the kind of creature who can challenge himself with a "tin machine" type of set-up, though madhouse might have come close just in terms of recording in a group that wasn't supposed to be an official prince project. guess you could say the same thing about some NPG albums, though with all this stuff, needless to say prince was completely in control of every last note.
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TheMaster said:



I still think Prince would benefit from a "Tin Machine"-like band.

A band where everyone is equal, instead of everyone being at Prince's beck & call.



Funny. I had always thought the New Power Trio was the closest Prince has ever come to a "Tin Machine" phase in his career.


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Anxiety said:

TheMaster said:


It's possible, since Bowie has collaborated with many talented people, from DIFFERENT GENRES (John Lennon, AL B. Sure, Ice Cube, Queen Latifah, Trent Reznor/NIN, Luther Vandross, Placebo, to name a few).

Prince is only working with Jazz/R&B folks...

I still think Prince would benefit from a "Tin Machine"-like band.

A band where everyone is equal, instead of everyone being at Prince's beck & call.


unfortunately, i don't think prince will ever be interested in working outside of the boundaries he has set for himself. he's not the kind of creature who can challenge himself with a "tin machine" type of set-up, though madhouse might have come close just in terms of recording in a group that wasn't supposed to be an official prince project. guess you could say the same thing about some NPG albums, though with all this stuff, needless to say prince was completely in control of every last note.


Yeah, I agree with you. He is entirely too self absorbed. The thought of others telling it to him like it is would probably kill him. He needs his "yes" men...
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Reply #20 posted 11/29/05 4:31pm

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JeanGenie said:

GustavoRibas,
Here you will like this...and maybe others will find it interesting as well. A few have mentioned the Glass Spider tour. This was about '87 I think? It was in support of Bowie's "Never Let Me Down" album. On that album was a song called "Zeroes" (maybe a joke on his "heroes" song?)...Anyway there's a great line in the song...it goes "And a toothless past is asking you how it feels/And me my little red corvette has driven by"...Bowie here was obviously acknowledging that the decade belonged to Prince when it came to experimentation and cutting edge work...great lyric.
--J

- Hey, Jean...thanks for the lyrics smile
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Reply #21 posted 11/29/05 4:33pm

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TheMaster said:

calldapplwondery83 said:



Care to elaborate?

...'though there are other people involved in my fucking dreams anyway.


Bowie was doing jam sessions while Prince was still shitting on himself in Minneapolis...


- really? I never heard of Bowie being a great instrumentalist, only knew that he played a nice sax...well, but lots of people think Prince is only a singer....I need to listen to Bowie more...
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And I rememeber him supposedly not being that good on sax..... at least that's what a fan of his that did play sax told me in 1984.

"1984...1984...1984" - I like that song.

GustavoRibas said:

TheMaster said:



Bowie was doing jam sessions while Prince was still shitting on himself in Minneapolis...


- really? I never heard of Bowie being a great instrumentalist, only knew that he played a nice sax...well, but lots of people think Prince is only a singer....I need to listen to Bowie more...
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Reply #23 posted 11/29/05 6:28pm

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ufoclub said:

And I rememeber him supposedly not being that good on sax..... at least that's what a fan of his that did play sax told me in 1984.

"1984...1984...1984" - I like that song.


- Yes, that´s what I heard also...but I dont want to have prejudice...I must hear his stuff. I only know ´Let´s dance´ yet
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Reply #24 posted 11/29/05 11:18pm

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BOWIE and Prince that would the day they could share make-up tips. Music-wise this would be great, why not?
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Reply #25 posted 11/29/05 11:50pm

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GustavoRibas said:

TheMaster said:



Bowie was doing jam sessions while Prince was still shitting on himself in Minneapolis...


- really? I never heard of Bowie being a great instrumentalist, only knew that he played a nice sax...well, but lots of people think Prince is only a singer....I need to listen to Bowie more...



He isn't really.
And I don't know what kind of argument it is to say that Bowie was doing jam sessions when Prince was still shitting into his diapers.
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Reply #26 posted 11/30/05 5:56am

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GustavoRibas said:

TheMaster said:



Bowie was doing jam sessions while Prince was still shitting on himself in Minneapolis...


- really? I never heard of Bowie being a great instrumentalist, only knew that he played a nice sax...well, but lots of people think Prince is only a singer....I need to listen to Bowie more...


bowie plays lots of instruments...he released a soundtrack album called "buddha of suburbia" in 1994 in which all of the instruments were played by him and one other person. check out the liner notes to any of his classic '70s albums...you might be surprised at what all he plays.

as for his sax playing, he's not the best. he's not miles, he's not david sanborn, he's not a virtuoso by any means. but he can hold his own and he's confident enough with the instrument to play it live.
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GustavoRibas said:

TheMaster said:



Bowie was doing jam sessions while Prince was still shitting on himself in Minneapolis...


- really? I never heard of Bowie being a great instrumentalist, only knew that he played a nice sax...well, but lots of people think Prince is only a singer....I need to listen to Bowie more...


Yeah, that would help.
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Reply #28 posted 11/30/05 6:05am

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GustavoRibas said:

ufoclub said:

And I rememeber him supposedly not being that good on sax..... at least that's what a fan of his that did play sax told me in 1984.

"1984...1984...1984" - I like that song.


- Yes, that´s what I heard also...but I dont want to have prejudice...I must hear his stuff. I only know ´Let´s dance´ yet


If you want sax samples, try "I Feel Free", or "Looking for Lester". I can't think of anymore, because I don't listen for sax...

If all you know is "Let's Dance" you have no business trying to say how much the man has done.

He's recorded from 1964-2003 almost non-stop. everything from hard rock to jazz to R&B. He was the 1st whitey on Soul Train...
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Reply #29 posted 11/30/05 6:06am

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calldapplwondery83 said:

GustavoRibas said:



- really? I never heard of Bowie being a great instrumentalist, only knew that he played a nice sax...well, but lots of people think Prince is only a singer....I need to listen to Bowie more...



He isn't really.
And I don't know what kind of argument it is to say that Bowie was doing jam sessions when Prince was still shitting into his diapers.


It's called truth.
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