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Thread started 11/28/05 2:11pm

IstenSzek

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"Free" from 1999 (Someone has to say it)

snowflake

since it seems an org conspiracy to unanimously
put this song down, someone has to take a stand
for it and tell it like it is

y'all just got so pissed off when you heard that
Prince took "Moonbeam Levels" off the album when
he came up with "Free" that you take your anger,
frustration and sorrow out on poor old "Free",
which is a good, solid and beautiful Prince tune
if I ever heard one.

there, I said it, and I don't regret it.

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smile
and true love lives on lollipops and crisps
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Reply #1 posted 11/28/05 2:18pm

brooklyn

I love "Free", but, beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
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Reply #2 posted 11/28/05 2:19pm

Aerogram

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Free is often named as one of the lesser tracks of 1999, but that's only because the album is packed with gems. For me, Free is a precursor to the more "sensitive" Prince songs that were to follow and it's great to hear it live. On 1999, it does seem a little sweet compared to the rest, like a moment of peace n love in the middle of an album dedicated to having fun before the bomb drops. I can see why people who like 1999 are not as keen on it as they are on, say, Lady Cab Driver or Automatic.
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Reply #3 posted 11/28/05 2:42pm

DiamondGirl

Free was the prototype for Purple Rain.
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Reply #4 posted 11/28/05 2:47pm

NouveauDance

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I agree with Aerogram, it's the weakest link in a chain of pearls.

Although I think Moonbeam Levels is a better track, somehow I think it's too ahead of it's time for 1999. It would've been great if released in 1984/5, but somehow, compared to the stuff on 1999, it just doesn't quite fit.
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Reply #5 posted 11/28/05 2:53pm

CreamyThighs

lol @ "poor old "Free" lol

I admit that when I learned the story behind Moonbeam Levels it made me not like Free as much anymore, so I went a few year w/o listening to it. Then recently while listening to the entire 1999 album, I heard it again, and it blew my mind. So my love for the song has been restored.
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Reply #6 posted 11/28/05 2:55pm

Anxiety

i never liked 'free', and it has nothing to do with 'moonbeam levels', because i've never been exactly thrilled with that song either. it just never felt like it belonged on 1999. too syrupy, too earnest, too SOMETHING. i might have liked it better as a b-side, i don't know...
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Reply #7 posted 11/28/05 2:58pm

Aftershock

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DiamondGirl said:

Free was the prototype for Purple Rain.

Not hardly and not even close.
Educate, tolerate, negotiate, communicate
litigate, graduate, appreciate, separate
interrogate, violate, fluctuate, perpetrate
masturbate, stimulate, stimulate, stimulate...
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Reply #8 posted 11/28/05 3:23pm

3121

dont like it. (in my best lou voice)
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Reply #9 posted 11/28/05 3:25pm

purplesmoke

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I've always enjoyed 'Free' and still do.
"Did u love somebody
But got no love in return?
Did u understand the real meaning of love?
That it just is and never yearns"
...Prince
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Reply #10 posted 11/28/05 3:35pm

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Free is one of my favorite ballads by P. I also dig Moonbeams. I love the music to both songs, especially the chorus. I love the riffs to both songs. I think Free fit with the 1999 album cuz of the "statement" vibe of the song, which ties in, concept-wise with the lyrics to 1999. I think it was cool that P showed something that he believed in and put it in a ballad. I rather hear him sing that instead of wooing the drawers off of some girl. I also like the lyrical content of Moonbeams as well. I don't think either one of them would have fit with the Purple Rain material.
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Reply #11 posted 11/28/05 3:39pm

Illustrator

Uhmmnnn....
I like it.
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Reply #12 posted 11/28/05 3:42pm

BEAUGARDE

Love free, never heard moonbeam levels
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Reply #13 posted 11/28/05 3:53pm

mozfonky

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IstenSzek said:

snowflake

since it seems an org conspiracy to unanimously
put this song down, someone has to take a stand
for it and tell it like it is

y'all just got so pissed off when you heard that
Prince took "Moonbeam Levels" off the album when
he came up with "Free" that you take your anger,
frustration and sorrow out on poor old "Free",
which is a good, solid and beautiful Prince tune
if I ever heard one.

there, I said it, and I don't regret it.

~snapshisfingeranddoestheostrichneckthingie~

smile

things change, at the time, I don't remember my prince friends saying anything bad about it. it's easy to look at something and pick it apart now but at the time, us kids were to busy loving the whole album.
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Reply #14 posted 11/28/05 3:54pm

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Free was a great song. I think it was passionate and reflected well his mindset at the time. People are looking at it in retrospect but when it was out it spoke volumes as a reflection of a general public sentiment during a rough era for the U.S.
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Reply #15 posted 11/28/05 3:55pm

MrsJimmyFallon

when i first got 1999 when i was about 14/15 yrs old (the first Prince album i ever listened to), Free was one of my favorite songs - i remember rewinding the cassette (the olden days, y'know! biggrin) over and over just to listen to it.

Free was one of the reasons i fell hard for Prince.

Moonbeam Levels is gorgeous, too, FOR SURE and an incredibly wonderful song, but i agree with NouveauDance that it just didn't fit right on the 1999 album.
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Reply #16 posted 11/28/05 4:05pm

pepper7

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Okay...

Free is the entire sentiment of 1999.

The song 1999 is about going out and partying despite all the worries that are around us. It's about appreciating our freedom in the western world and truly expressing that through music and dancing.

It's about being able to change our minds about anything we feel. Which is a right that should never be abused. It's about having an opinion about ANY subject and not every nation has that !!

I think...
Shut up already, damn.
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Reply #17 posted 11/28/05 4:10pm

Snap

"Free" was the first Prince song of that style. We older fans appreciate it for what it is. Always loved it. Nothing else compared.
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Reply #18 posted 11/28/05 4:26pm

pepper7

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Snap said:

"Free" was the first Prince song of that style. We older fans appreciate it for what it is. Always loved it. Nothing else compared.


Thank you !

I was beginning to think I was a lone voice in a big void...
Shut up already, damn.
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Reply #19 posted 11/28/05 4:30pm

pepper7

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Anxiety said:

i never liked 'free', and it has nothing to do with 'moonbeam levels', because i've never been exactly thrilled with that song either. it just never felt like it belonged on 1999. too syrupy, too earnest, too SOMETHING. i might have liked it better as a b-side, i don't know...


OKAY How can you be a Prince fan if you say one of his songs is 'too earnest' ?

What would you prefer to be listening to ? Shallow ? Superficial?

Maybe you should try Franz Ferdinand ? Kieser Chiefs ? Kylie Minogue ?

If you don't like something sincere don't bother listening to Prince .
Shut up already, damn.
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Reply #20 posted 11/28/05 4:38pm

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I like free...however, for me it's a downturn for the album musically. The album is mostly straight up funk...a party record with a few slower numbers thrown in. I like the downtempo International Lover...but Not the ballady Free. It has a great message and I don't hate it or nothing...but it sticks out like a sore thumb on that album.

Now brace for the shocker...I can't stand MoonBeam Levels. It's kinda schlocky. Free is definitely better than that song.

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Reply #21 posted 11/28/05 4:41pm

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Aftershock said:

DiamondGirl said:

Free was the prototype for Purple Rain.

Not hardly and not even close.


Well he certainly explored that style further on PR. It's called the "Power Ballad"

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Reply #22 posted 11/28/05 4:45pm

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pepper7 said:

Anxiety said:

i never liked 'free', and it has nothing to do with 'moonbeam levels', because i've never been exactly thrilled with that song either. it just never felt like it belonged on 1999. too syrupy, too earnest, too SOMETHING. i might have liked it better as a b-side, i don't know...


OKAY How can you be a Prince fan if you say one of his songs is 'too earnest' ?

What would you prefer to be listening to ? Shallow ? Superficial?

Maybe you should try Franz Ferdinand ? Kieser Chiefs ? Kylie Minogue ?

If you don't like something sincere don't bother listening to Prince .


lol At that whole post there. Anxy = Bad Prince Fan nod

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Reply #23 posted 11/28/05 4:46pm

pepper7

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superspaceboy said:

I like free...however, for me it's a downturn for the album musically. The album is mostly straight up funk...a party record with a few slower numbers thrown in. I like the downtempo International Lover...but Not the ballady Free. It has a great message and I don't hate it or nothing...but it sticks out like a sore thumb on that album.

Now brace for the shocker...I can't stand MoonBeam Levels. It's kinda schlocky. Free is definitely better than that song.


Eh ? I think that just about covers all the reason why I love it !!

Prince is always up and down, here and there. Did somebody say 'Quirky'??


Prince is refreshing because he doesn't stick to ONE way of doing things. A Rock Album, A Ballards Album, etc...

He leaves himself to be free to do whatever he likes. And probably to try and encourage everyone else to do the same.

Follow your instincts. See where they will lead you. Dare to be different...
Shut up already, damn.
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Reply #24 posted 11/28/05 4:53pm

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razz What the hell r u doing putting Free down. It stands on its own in that album. Its well written, a good stadium rocker precursor to Purple Rain, just bcos u can't dance 2 it., get over

Whats great about it.
1. Good lyric
2. Excellent backing vox by Lisa
3. Good soul scream passage with a blistering guitar solo.
4. Listen to the lyrics, theyre uplifting.
`1999' was a superior album, and it had only one weak song Lady Cab Driver which was more good to all the others excellent. I do think, Automatic and DMSR do meander a bit though, I kind of switch thru about 4 minutes in2 each, but after the title track and Little Red Corvette, its the best track on it.

Be glad that u r free, FREE 2 CHANGE YO MIND
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Reply #25 posted 11/28/05 4:57pm

superspaceboy

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pepper7 said:

superspaceboy said:

I like free...however, for me it's a downturn for the album musically. The album is mostly straight up funk...a party record with a few slower numbers thrown in. I like the downtempo International Lover...but Not the ballady Free. It has a great message and I don't hate it or nothing...but it sticks out like a sore thumb on that album.

Now brace for the shocker...I can't stand MoonBeam Levels. It's kinda schlocky. Free is definitely better than that song.


Eh ? I think that just about covers all the reason why I love it !!

Prince is always up and down, here and there. Did somebody say 'Quirky'??


Prince is refreshing because he doesn't stick to ONE way of doing things. A Rock Album, A Ballards Album, etc...

He leaves himself to be free to do whatever he likes. And probably to try and encourage everyone else to do the same.

Follow your instincts. See where they will lead you. Dare to be different...


Yes that's fine and all. We love him too for his diversity amongst albums and within them too. But I find it really distracts from the flow of the album. It would have fit nicer on anything before or after. But 1999 in it's concept was a party record. Purposefully made for DJ's to spin. After you get past the forst 3 songs it's one long party until "Free", which isn't even the last song....and a ballad like that should have been last like International Lover was. Or left off entirely. Not a bad song...but it misteps with the album.

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Reply #26 posted 11/28/05 4:59pm

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tane1976 said:

razz What the hell r u doing putting Free down. It stands on its own in that album. Its well written, a good stadium rocker precursor to Purple Rain, just bcos u can't dance 2 it., get over

Whats great about it.
1. Good lyric
2. Excellent backing vox by Lisa
3. Good soul scream passage with a blistering guitar solo.
4. Listen to the lyrics, theyre uplifting.
`1999' was a superior album, and it had only one weak song Lady Cab Driver which was more good to all the others excellent. I do think, Automatic and DMSR do meander a bit though, I kind of switch thru about 4 minutes in2 each, but after the title track and Little Red Corvette, its the best track on it.

Be glad that u r free, FREE 2 CHANGE YO MIND


eek Title track and LRC the best ones on there and Lady Cab Driver the worst? GIVE ME YOUR PURPLE CARD NOW!

With statements like that one...I am leaving this conversation.

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Reply #27 posted 11/28/05 5:03pm

Aftershock

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superspaceboy said:

Aftershock said:


Not hardly and not even close.


Well he certainly explored that style further on PR. It's called the "Power Ballad"


But see Purple Rain is more "Gospel" not "Power Ballad."
Educate, tolerate, negotiate, communicate
litigate, graduate, appreciate, separate
interrogate, violate, fluctuate, perpetrate
masturbate, stimulate, stimulate, stimulate...
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Reply #28 posted 11/28/05 5:05pm

pepper7

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superspaceboy said:[quote]

pepper7 said:



Yes that's fine and all. We love him too for his diversity amongst albums and within them too. But I find it really distracts from the flow of the album. It would have fit nicer on anything before or after. But 1999 in it's concept was a party record. Purposefully made for DJ's to spin. After you get past the forst 3 songs it's one long party until "Free", which isn't even the last song....and a ballad like that should have been last like International Lover was. Or left off entirely. Not a bad song...but it misteps with the album.


Yeah okay I agree with you but it's Prince with all his imperfections which makes him so unique and perfectly imperfect. If that makes sense.

I do agree with the flow of the album. Suddenly your listening to funky Little Red Corvette, then Delirious..etc..

But the whole album you could say intro too long, gosh he goes on a bit, Okay Prince move onto to the next song...etc..etc..

But the thing about Prince is his naturalness just to do what he likes. He goes off on tangents all over the place.

Another example of is the album Prince with With You sweet and mellow then the rip roaring Hendrix infused Bambi ???
Shut up already, damn.
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Reply #29 posted 11/28/05 5:15pm

superspaceboy

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pepper7 said:[quote]

superspaceboy said:

pepper7 said:



Yes that's fine and all. We love him too for his diversity amongst albums and within them too. But I find it really distracts from the flow of the album. It would have fit nicer on anything before or after. But 1999 in it's concept was a party record. Purposefully made for DJ's to spin. After you get past the forst 3 songs it's one long party until "Free", which isn't even the last song....and a ballad like that should have been last like International Lover was. Or left off entirely. Not a bad song...but it misteps with the album.


Yeah okay I agree with you but it's Prince with all his imperfections which makes him so unique and perfectly imperfect. If that makes sense.

I do agree with the flow of the album. Suddenly your listening to funky Little Red Corvette, then Delirious..etc..

But the whole album you could say intro too long, gosh he goes on a bit, Okay Prince move onto to the next song...etc..etc..

But the thing about Prince is his naturalness just to do what he likes. He goes off on tangents all over the place.

Another example of is the album Prince with With You sweet and mellow then the rip roaring Hendrix infused Bambi ???


Yes some of the songs could have used "an edit" however the point was to be extended for DJ's to mix. Mixing was the new thing to do...you know with vinyl lol So, he made an album for that purpose...hence the length of some of the songs like AUtomatic and DMSR...howver Lady Cab Driver actually benefits for it's length..cuz he's got a lot to say.

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