For Tricky since he wanted to discuss music: from that rhull dude swiped at Housequake again


"Prince/Bob Dylan/Religion

Even though Prince has always had a religious background-overtone in his lyrics and career, it was always seen as open ended or universal ala Lovesexy. Not a single doctrine. When he supposedly did begin to show a more organized religion side to his music with TRC it created a hailstorm from his fans. Sides were taken, controversy ensued and things would never be the same in purple fandom. Things have still been split down the middle and the after taste of his religious stance still effects how some fans regard his most recent amount of material. I once said the fans views may now be tainted for a myriad of reasons but now the TRC religion has pushed it to its highest levels I feel. This is why TRC has been his most controversial record ever. It was not Darling Nikki and it was not Head…and even though the brilliant Controversy had controversy as it’s title, that was not it either.

It seems that a similar thing had happened with another artist from MN that had a loyal following and lead the way in musical outrage and style. Bob Dylan. A folk hero to electric rock star...when he performed in an electric style ( plugged in if u will) for the first time in concert with “almost” no warning at the Newport Folk Festival, the crowds booed and almost ate him alive. They booed because they didn’t like seeing Bob plugged in. But Bob kept on keepin’ on. However he did return with one last song played on acoustic ( for many reasons none so obvious—it was not giving in, it was slamming it down the throats of the old guard fans who would not let an artist be…well, an artist). He had his plugged in vision and said nothing was going to keep him from doing it and he continued to play. Some say it was rock ‘n’ roll’s greatest transformation. Just as Princes new direction continues to be at the forefront of his new style. He was daring enough
(or prolific enough may be an excuse for safety) to release his new direction TRC, NEWS, etc. suspect when Prince had a Dirty Mind, separate from his disco r’n’b hits of before, there were some who left.

And just as Dylan has been seen as a spokesman for his troubled generation in the 60’s Prince could be seen as a spokesman for ribald liberation , lewdness, lasciviousness etc in the early eighties. And both would probably deny ( and have) the label put upon them. Dylan said “I don’t write protest songs” and his buddy Joan Baez said “Bobby was never a marcher, I don’t think I ever saw him on a march”. Prince has went on record stating that his songs were less about sex per se’, and more about love. Both Dylan and Prince may have been boolshetten because they did do those things..maybe they were just on the inside that they did not realize that they did write in those terms they were labeled as, as well...many times.

Then Dylan had a spiritual or religious conversion much later in his career. Sound familiar? Uncut writes “Here was the man once hailed as rock’s premier revolutionary force and it’s most valiant voice of freedom, remade as a Conservative religious reactionary”…sound familiar..? Sounds as if Princes supposed or possible conversion to a specific faith could be juxtaposed with Dylan’s situation. The same attitude that happened with his acoustic to plugged in style was happening with his new religious stance. Seems like Dylan had his own “dark night of the soul”. Again in Uncut it is stated “Even the story of his conversion sounded like something out of a sci-fi tale. As Dylan later described it, he was alone in a hotel room in Tucson after a show. Suffering from an unspecified illness he found himself fingering a small crucifix that had been thrown onstage a few nights previously. Then he felt it-nothing less than the power of Jesus, Lord of Lords, King of Kings. Jesus put his hand on me, it was a physical thing. I felt it all over me, my whole body trembled. Th e glory of the lord knocked me down and picked me up”. Biblical imagery has also always been a part of Dylans career.

Prince’s dark night of the soul: in Per Nilsens’ DMSR The First Decade
Although Prince never fully explained to Warner Bros why he wanted to pull the album, a number of factors behind the decision later came to light. A week prior to the planned release date, Prince had taken the Black Album to MN club Ruperts to gauge the audience reaction to the record. At th e club, he met singer-songwriter-poet named Ingrid Chavez. According to her, they started talking and drove out to Paisley Park together. Suddenly Prince left, saying he had a stomache-ache. She later learned that Prince had been nervous and was going through a conscience crisis that made him realise that it would be wrong to release the Black Album. Prince has spoken of a crucial ‘dark night of the soul, when a lot of things happened all in a few hours’ and described a vision of a vast field with the letters G-O-D hovering overhead. ( He would refer to that night, Tuesday December 1st, as Blue Tuesday’ in the Lovesexy tour program. Prince became very concerned about what he perceived to be his responsibility to his fans and younger kids). He went on to do Lovesexy.

Somewhat similar to Dylans tale.

Many things were said to have lead Dylan to that point and time of religion..the death of Elvis (Miles Davis?), a divorce, critical disaster of a personal movie he was in etc…but he came out with Slow Train Coming with songs Goota Serve Somebody, When You Gonna Wake Up, Precious Angel that discussed the “horrors facing so called friends who had not heard the call of Jesus”., “I Believe In You” etc. But the music was as powerful as any of his previous heyday as is TRC. Later he would release the really overt SAVED.

Live Dylans audience were “treated/subjected to between song sermons where Dylan preached to the unconverted and in Tempe AZ poured wrath onto student hecklers saying: ‘You may have your college education to hang on to now, but you’re going to need something very solid when these end times come”…TRC shows were said to include some stern warnings during Anna-stesia...and there were some heckles in some of the shows when the subject of religion came up.

Picketing by aetheist groups put Dylan in a mood to give some of the most “dramatic and committed performances” of his live career. Similar to Prince and the TRC ONA tour…Prince s’ tour was a critical and fan viewed success.

Dylan began mixing pre-gospel classics with new material...seems like Prince may be following suit. It seems hard to serve a saviour and a muse at the same time at least for Dylan…he changed his stance and output after 3 religion based releases…Prince seems to have done it all with TRC and the subsequent ONA tour.

A famed jazz musician who’s name escapes me now had problems touring in Europe due to his Scientology religion. Right or wrong. Prince does not seem to have any problems with is stance on religion and tour promoters, in the staes or abroad.

Bob Geldof is quoted as saying “I didn’t give a F*** about Electric Bob or Folk Bob, and I didn’t know anyone who did. It was the words, the voice, the shirt.”
I don’t care about dirty mind Prince, or religious Prince. It’s the voice, the shirt, and the music for me ( and obviously for others as well).

Indeed.

And just as Dylan has been seen as a spokesman for his troubled generation in the 60’s Prince could be seen as a spokesman for ribald liberation , lewdness, lasciviousness etc in the early eighties. And both would probably deny ( and have) the label put upon them. Dylan said “I don’t write protest songs” and his buddy Joan Baez said “Bobby was never a marcher, I don’t think I ever saw him on a march”. Prince has went on record stating that his songs were less about sex per se’, and more about love. Both Dylan and Prince may have been boolshetten because they did do those things..maybe they were just on the inside that they did not realize that they did write in those terms they were labeled as, as well...many times.

Then Dylan had a spiritual or religious conversion much later in his career. Sound familiar? Uncut writes “Here was the man once hailed as rock’s premier revolutionary force and it’s most valiant voice of freedom, remade as a Conservative religious reactionary”…sound familiar..? Sounds as if Princes supposed or possible conversion to a specific faith could be juxtaposed with Dylan’s situation. The same attitude that happened with his acoustic to plugged in style was happening with his new religious stance. Seems like Dylan had his own “dark night of the soul”. Again in Uncut it is stated “Even the story of his conversion sounded like something out of a sci-fi tale. As Dylan later described it, he was alone in a hotel room in Tucson after a show. Suffering from an unspecified illness he found himself fingering a small crucifix that had been thrown onstage a few nights previously. Then he felt it-nothing less than the power of Jesus, Lord of Lords, King of Kings. Jesus put his hand on me, it was a physical thing. I felt it all over me, my whole body trembled. Th e glory of the lord knocked me down and picked me up”. Biblical imagery has also always been a part of Dylans career.

Prince’s dark night of the soul: in Per Nilsens’ DMSR The First Decade
Although Prince never fully explained to Warner Bros why he wanted to pull the album, a number of factors behind the decision later came to light. A week prior to the planned release date, Prince had taken the Black Album to MN club Ruperts to gauge the audience reaction to the record. At th e club, he met singer-songwriter-poet named Ingrid Chavez. According to her, they started talking and drove out to Paisley Park together. Suddenly Prince left, saying he had a stomache-ache. She later learned that Prince had been nervous and was going through a conscience crisis that made him realise that it would be wrong to release the Black Album. Prince has spoken of a crucial ‘dark night of the soul, when a lot of things happened all in a few hours’ and described a vision of a vast field with the letters G-O-D hovering overhead. ( He would refer to that night, Tuesday December 1st, as Blue Tuesday’ in the Lovesexy tour program. Prince became very concerned about what he perceived to be his responsibility to his fans and younger kids). He went on to do Lovesexy.

Somewhat similar to Dylans tale.

Many things were said to have lead Dylan to that point and time of religion..the death of Elvis (Miles Davis?), a divorce, critical disaster of a personal movie he was in etc…but he came out with Slow Train Coming with songs Goota Serve Somebody, When You Gonna Wake Up, Precious Angel that discussed the “horrors facing so called friends who had not heard the call of Jesus”., “I Believe In You” etc. But the music was as powerful as any of his previous heyday as is TRC. Later he would release the really overt SAVED.

Live Dylans audience were “treated/subjected to between song sermons where Dylan preached to the unconverted and in Tempe AZ poured wrath onto student hecklers saying: ‘You may have your college education to hang on to now, but you’re going to need something very solid when these end times come”…TRC shows were said to include some stern warnings during Anna-stesia...and there were some heckles in some of the shows when the subject of religion came up.

Picketing by aetheist groups put Dylan in a mood to give some of the most “dramatic and committed performances” of his live career. Similar to Prince and the TRC ONA tour…Prince s’ tour was a critical and fan viewed success.

Dylan began mixing pre-gospel classics with new material...seems like Prince may be following suit. It seems hard to serve a saviour and a muse at the same time at least for Dylan…he changed his stance and output after 3 religion based releases…Prince seems to have done it all with TRC and the subsequent ONA tour.

A famed jazz musician who’s name escapes me now had problems touring in Europe due to his Scientology religion. Right or wrong. Prince does not seem to have any problems with is stance on religion and tour promoters, in the staes or abroad.

Bob Geldof is quoted as saying “I didn’t give a Fuck about Electric Bob or Folk Bob, and I didn’t know anyone who did. It was the words, the voice, the shirt.”

I don’t care about dirty mind Prince, or religious Prince. It’s the voice, the shirt, and the music for me ( and obviously for others as well).

Indeed"

Yeah - you swiped it from 'Housequake' - and it was posted on this site in 2003.

http://www.prince.org/msg/7/68591


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langebleu said:

Well, it's a discussion that tricky2 was talking about and it was on HQ recently. Content is content.
http://www.prince.org/msg/7/167305

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[Edited 11/15/05 11:41am]