PurpleKnight said:

No, I am fully willing to admit he wanted to get laid, as well.


I would be more willing to believe that he would prefer to control that catalogue because he would be making more money that way. He was hoping people would buy his version 'cause he would see more net profit that way. As for him hating a record company profiting off of what he created, he certainly allowed Sony to profit off of Musicology.

I have no problem with people doing things for money - just cop to it. As for the swearing thing: put your money where your mouth is, Prince dude.

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PurpleKnight said:

He hates when record executives profit off his music by controlling it. He refused to allow Sony the right to own the masters of Musicology.

PurpleKnight said:

That's a financial decision. If it was about control, he would have continued to release his records independently.

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SexyBeautifulOne said:

Whatever, the way folks almost lost their damn minds when he changed "fuck" to "duck" and "cross" to "Christ" when he performed live. You really think it'd be a wise decision on his part to go and fuck with his 'recordings' like that. Yeah ok.

SexyBeautifulOne said:

I'm not suggesting he do that. If you go back and read what I've actually written, I'm strictly talking about the inconsistency of what he says with what he does.

Ace said:

Y does this CONcern u?
B honest...

love

Anji said:

Because it bothers me to see people buy someone's b.s. without questioning it (this seems to especially be a problem with rock stars and their followers).

I like some of Prince's music quite a bit, but I have a lot of problems with many of the statements he has made to the public. It seems like he has some fans who will believe whatever he says (some even adopt these disingenuous statements as philosophy) and I find that troublesome.

1999: The New Master has nothing to do with this topic.

YES, he went back re-did the track using the original backing tracks, but that's more of an issue with publishing and ownership than anything else, 1999 didn't even have anything worth censoring on it.

It would be interesting to hear what he did with tracks like Sister in the re-recordings of all his past material he made.

As for why there is inconsistency in what he says and what he does - This is Prince, if you aren't OK with that by now, you better pack up your bags and head on out, that's Prince.

NouveauDance said:

I am aware of that. "1999" was cited in response to someone who posited that perhaps the reason he hasn't edited "Face Down" is that he doesn't like to revisit the past.


So, I cannot like the art but criticize the artist?

Ace said:

I feel like a fam, how very strange on here.

No, but you must know by now - Prince back-tracks and changes his mind so often, what he says this year holds little consistency with what he says last year.

Plus he talks out of his arse.

NouveauDance said:

Oh, I knew that even before I got into his music.


That I'll agree with.

Ace said:

He controlled the way the singles were distributed, and he owns the masters. All he needed Sony for was to promote and distribute the album. He got the exact deal he wanted That IS control.

renfield said:

That didn't stop him from telling his fans to send their bootlegs to Paisley Park.

Ace said:

Do u no y u find it troublesome how OTHER FANS develop their philosophy?
Did u also perhaps buy n2 something, which didn't live up 2 ur xpectation?

love

Ace said:

PurpleKnight is correct, Prince can't change anything on the WB releases and
neither can WB (which is why they've never been remastered, and probably won't
be in the forseeable future). As for his post-WB releases, they're all deleted
(apart from the most recent material) so it's a moot point. But if say
'Emancipation' was re-pressed, I'm sure he'd only allow the censored version
out again.

Even during Prince’s most fervently evangelical periods he has maintained in interviews that he’s not ashamed of his past because it has forged the man he is today.

Of course this kind of belief can breed its own set of problems, like allowing yourself to remain in denial about the past. It is one thing to not beat yourself up about your past transgressions, it’s quite another to never admit fault, make reconciliations, or reflect upon how you learned from the errors of your way.

As of person who greatly enjoys Prince’s music and follows his career, I’m very glad that he’s never reached such an extreme place in his fundamentalism that he felt a need to hold a “book burning” for everything in his past that no longer meshed with his now.

If he truly felt in his heart that he needed to burn his vault down and he didn’t, for any number of reasons, not the least of which may be financial, then of course that would be very hypocritical behavior.

But I’m not that cynical and hopefully Prince never gets that overzealous.

The Prince of 2001 probably wouldn’t be doing some of the things the Prince of 2005 is doing. And the Prince of 2010 could very well be someone that the Prince of 2001 would snicker at in a bout of moral superiority.

If you want to call that inconsistency, flip-flopping, shooting the bullshit, or whatever else, so be it. You’d probably be right at least some of the time.

But show me someone that is consistent in their opinions and beliefs over their entire adult life and I’ll show you a profoundly pathetic fool.

As always, gr8 2 c u, Brendan!

love

that was really well put brendan

Ace said:

cause he knows its lame to edit cursing.and he knows he says fuck still under his breath sometimes.

Ace said:

Not necessarily. Disassociation with the past is the best he can do. He is not condemming others who wish to listen to the older records. Thats there call. He's just leaving it in the past.

One of the actions I was surprised with this year was making Crystal Ball available for download on NPGMC, swearing and all. I'm not about to pay $48 to check, but the PPs confirmed that this release was not edited at all when it was posted for download. This is the equivalent of reissuing an old release, so I guess the answer is that he wouldn't edit swearing out of Emancipation, or other releases. He may prefer simply not to re-release them, though - I think he likes music to be quick, in-the-moment, and, to some extent, disposable. He has a short attention span, and I think he believes his fans do too (and many of us do, of course).

Anji said:

I find it troublesome when anyone accepts hooey (for instance Prince's claim that he no longer signed contracts).

As for me? No, I know bullshit when I hear it.

Brendan said:

I'm not asking anyone to be consistent in their opinions and beliefs over their entire adult life, I'm just asking Prince to be consistent with his current opinions and beliefs.

Ace said:

I'm sure that if he thought it would really matter he would have edited it. Didn't he edit his performance of Face Down on The Chris Rock Show when he released it through the NPGMC?

Ace said:

What makes you think he isn't consistent with his current beliefs?

Ace said:

You’ve already stated that you know when you hear bullshit, so I’m not sure that there’s much reason in continuing this discussion.

You appear supremely convinced that Prince is either full of shit about his recent stance on cursing and/or that it’s impossible for Prince or anyone else to be consistent with such beliefs without being an absolute fundamentalist.

I don’t see that as being particularly fair. I see that as holding a person to a standard that they themselves have never publicly stated to be a part of their belief system.

Prince espoused a completely different belief based on his own words from an interview you posted on this thread. And I think it’s important to point out that it appears to be an evolving opinion that is at least slightly different from the one he was publicly making only 2 or 3 years prior.

And, tying this all back into my last post, at what point do you take someone’s words and treat them as unchangeable creeds that that person will carry to the grave? At age 25, 30, 40, perhaps even 50 or 60?

Even though my beliefs at this point are far different than Prince’s on the issue of cursing (or at least what his beliefs were the last time he stated them publicly), I still see his “Musicology” era viewpoint as being far more enlightened than those poor individuals who become so extreme in their beliefs that they must impose a campaign of complete destruction on anything from the recorded past that may engender discomfort or offense to their own sensibilities.

People who become that fundamentalist are showing themselves to be horrifically insecure.

I think he still swears like a sailor during sex.

Ace said:

He aint gonna go back and edit all old material, do u know how long that would take,,,,,he was a nasty muthafucka back in the day....