squiddyren said:

idiot anyone could make princes songs seem equally as dumb and michaels songs look like masterpieces just by using effective words like yours.

squiddyren said:

Billie Jean: those funky guitars were on the MJ demo already. and the strings are not arranged by Quincy but by Jerry Hey. The same guy who was workin with the Jacksons before Q came 2 scene.

But thats not what im talking about. What is complex to u sounds very simple to my ears. I dont know what's so unique about Dorothy Parker. Nice lyrics but 2 me its just some beat/chords/and vocals. And doesnt have a sense of climax as usual. With MJ, most of the time, all the song builds up till last minute of the song with all the instruments coming together with absolute harmony creating an excitement

In the end it's just a personal opinion that u cant argue as fact.I mean you're writing down the instrumentation used in his songs to prove that it's simple

You ARE right that Prince is the better lyricist but I think MJ created the better songs. And no I dont think Prince could write anything as beautiful as Stranger In Moscow, Who Is It, Morphine or Billie Jean no matter how hard he tried.

And I dont even wanna start whose vocals are absolute magic

There goes my argument. Now I dont want a purple boy shouting at my face, it's MY personal opinion. I'm not talking bout u squiddyren, u make good points without insulting at people.

I'll wait 4 ur reply. Have a nice day

LightOfArt said:

Thanks for correcting me.



Well, in regards to how you hear it, different strokes, I guess. To me, the shifting, layered, bubbling arrangements in "Dorothy Parker" all idealized and played by Prince speak a certain talent that I have yet to hear from MJ. He can create beats and chords on his own, but where's the sheer complexity and immaculately blended improvisation within his beats/arrangements that even non-Prince fans can hear? It's just not there. Again, the man lays great foundations for songs that eventually become legendary and has an indisputable gift for rhythm and melody, but I highly doubt he could write, compose, arrange, and play all of something like "Purple Rain" or "Shhh" all on his own.



The instrumentation HE used, keep in mind, not the studio musicians, and frankly, judging by his demos, it isn't much.



Alrighty, then.



I've always thought MJ was the more technically talented and beautiful singer, especially as a child. Guess we finally agree.



Thanks, and you too.

hey, but we were not discussing who's the better musician but what they've created. It's obvious that MJ isnt the pure musician that Prince is.

And ofcourse you dont hear strings and horns you hear on Dont Stop or Day&Night demos as he cant play them. But he does compose those instruments too himself. According to his session musicians he plays them what he wants on keyboard or sings/beatboxes them, and they duplicate it on their own instruments

LightOfArt said:

Thereby proving his gift for laying the foundation for a great pop song, but I still HIGHLY doubt he composes and arranges every note for every instrumental backdrop or solo for a song like Prince evidently can, and on his own, I don't believe could ever compose and play arrangements as intricate, layered, and free as Prince's. MJ was born for the stage, but when people deem him a musical genius, I believe that's stretching it quite a ways.

squiddyren said:

No he cant because he is not a player to be as free as Prince is. All I'm saying is people underestimate his input to his songs. He does compose alot of the instrumentation himself.

David Williams(guitarst from Off The Wall to Bad): "Michael creates all the pieces, and Quincy has the glue to stick them together"

LightOfArt said:

Fair enough.

Murph wrote
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I'm impressed...classical music nods...I agree with your point on MJ wanting to beat Thriller and his quest for perfection to be the biggest star in the history of music; However, I differ on the Beethoven comparisons (although it was a very heavy analogy; you know your music!!!!)
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Thanks Murph. My mom would be "Thrilled' to know those years of music lessons were not a total waste...hehehe.

Seriously - where are the mods?

It isn't 1984 anymore - can we please finally drop this topic. It seriously isn't relevant anymore.

Nuff Sed -

Lock this thread and this subject for life.

coolcat said:

What R the references?

Here's what I think. I don't THINk PRINCE HATES MICHAEL. I Think MICHAEL has ISSUES with PRINCE ACTUALLY. Prince has his STYLE. Michael his. They played some Jackson at MINNIE'S 2002 Celebration. I think Jackson WANTED PRINCE to LOOK Bad for NOT SHOWING at THE WE ARE THE WORLD GIG. I also Think that was JACKSON and RITCHIE'S GIG and PRINCe WANTED to Do STUFF ALONE. It Wasn't until a Long Time Until PRINCE Started WORKING With Other Songwritters/Performers. I Do BELIEVE what PRINCE Once SAID about BEINg SHY. He has OVERCOME That But I do Believe he still get's Nervous around CERTAIN CELEBS and is also VERY PRIVATE about his LIFE.

BEAUGARDE said:

Beaugarde you just have to read the lyrics:
In "My Name is Prince".. I think the rapper says "you have to be a Prince before you are King anyway". Here "King is King of Pop " I suppose. If there are other references in this song please correct me.

In "Life of the Party" Prince sings;"my voice is getting higher, but I ain't never had my nose done!" A good-natured jab at MJ's laughable statement on the Bashir interview that; "I have only had my nose done twice, and it helps me sing better and hit high notes". LOL. I love MJ, but pleassseeeee.

DonRants said:

Yes, these are the 2 references I was talking about. You guys think these are not MJ references?

Other artists have said laughable things... why not take jabs at them? Why Michael? Isn't Prince going out of his way to compare himself to Michael in these songs... or rather point out that he's different from Michael?

SEXUALCHOCOLATE said:

Life O' the Party was not released in 1984, it was released last year. So IMO Prince is keeping this topic relevant.

No Prince doesn't hate Michael. JW's aren't allowed to hate. Keeping it real.

If you are a great artist and want to be known for the work YOU produce, would you actively promote another artist? To find out if there is hate between P and M.J. you would have to go stright to the source. I have been a fan of both Prince and Michael since I was a kid (very, very young kid). I would find it hard for either of them not to recognize each other's talent, but at the same time, they are not going to promote each other as well. One reason may be because of thread topics such as this that seem to compare their genius only on the surface level when the two are actually not that similar in their artistic approach. Prince is going to have fun and it can be argued he has taken a friendly stab or two on record, but he is not going to go much further than that - I would imagine. It is not Michael's style to outwardly down another artist, so you probably will not get much clarification on that angle. I think deep down inside, we would love for the two of them to do something together - if only to satisfy our curious nature of what the two could make together. But think of it this way (and you don't have to be a die-hard fan of either of the two, but numbers and facts provide the best evidence). They are both very, very talented. Yes, they have different approaches to music (insofar as crafting, producing, composing, etc.), but when you look at the numbers, both are megastars. Of course both have taken different routes over the years, but both have contributed so much to art of music. Michael is the 4th biggest selling artist of all time (actually this is a tie with Madonna) and Prince is the 35th. Now considering how many people have created, crafted, and released music, these are spots and numbers that can't be disputed. I am sure both would have been higher if RIAA accurately tracked Motown era songs and Prince didn't distribute a lot of albums via his NPG website. Also, both have an ear for great music their music is very different. Michael, being the genius that he is knows that he cannot get to complex - it's not his audience. Prince on the other hand knows that he can't get too simple - heck, a lot of us on this thread have some musical gift (known or unknown) - therefore it's not his audience. But if I could have my one cent, I would say it like this: Unless you can quote Prince as saying he hates M.J. than leave it alone, because it's only an assumption (and no, jabs on record don't count since Prince does this quite frequently). They both know each other's work because you cannot be in the positions they are in without knowing, but at the same time they are sensitive to how comparing themselves to each other is not only misleading, it is not accurate. So to all P and M.J. fans - We are fortunate to have both of go down in history as musical greats. AND THEY BOTH ARE! Next topic.

napoleon370 said:

PurpleRighteous1 said:

Well put .I concur!