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PrintableHate is a strong word. Prince does not hate Michael Jackson, nor does Prince respect Michael Jackson, nor is he jealous of Michael Jackson's popularity. Prince doesnt wanna be the "King of Pop". Prince is a musician. He makes music as art. Not for hits. Prince says "Thats not the kind of audience u really want. They only come around 2 check u out when u have another hit. They wont come and see u when u try something new. Thats the kind of audience I wanted. I usually write hits 4 other people and those r the songs I throw away and dont really care 4. U say to yourself, "Do I just wanna be real big or do I wanna do something I'll be proud of and really enjoy playing." Terry and Jimmy aren't into the Minneapolis sound, they're into making every single one of their records a hit. We're just different." On the Gold tour ("Ultimate Live Experince") in England March 18 1995 Prince said about Janet Jackson, due to play there soon after, "Janet better get a guitar soon cuz shaking her booty wont be enough." Again in London Prince said "Janet, all that hip-shakin' ain't gonna cut it." On his Love 4 One Another tour in Hawaii Feb. 16 1997 after Michael Jackson had recently played there, "Was the funk on, or was it on tape? This is live not Memorex." In L.A. April 11 1997, Prince said about Michael Jackson "A so-called king gave birth 2 a so-called prince." Also on the song Fascination Prince takes a shot at Michael Jackson again, "Singing from the telly, making more bucks then sense. So-called king gives birth 2 so-called prince." On Life Of The Party Prince say "And I ain't never had my nose done, that's the other guy." [Edited 10/16/05 17:28pm] Goodnight, sweet Prince. | |
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ThePunisher said: coolcat said: What's with the references to Michael in "My name is Prince" and "Life O' the Party"... What's with the grudge?
There is absolutely no reason for Prince to hate or dislike Michael. Unless something happened that we don't know about. I'm pretty sure that Prince wasn't too thrilled about MJ naming one of his kids Prince. And Prince did turn down Michael's offer to do "Bad" as a duet between the two of them. Prince said there was no way he was gonna sing "your butt is mine" to Michael. There were rumors out there that people close to Michael had to constantly boost his ego by telling him that he was still popular then Prince during the Purple Rain days (Imagine that!). But now, I just don't think that Prince gives MJ much thought unless someone asks him(and visa versa).The earliest "issue" I can think of is the "Prince t-shirt" mention in Moonwalker. 
I've heard this a million times and it's still funny. Did the thought of sex with Michael disturb Prince that much? [Edited 10/16/05 16:28pm] "A Watcher scoffs at gravity!" | |
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squiddyren said: I'm an ex-fan of MJ, but if Prince hated him, he wouldn't have called him on a genius on that radio interview he did. End of discussion.
[quote] COSIGN!!!  I WAS JUST ABOUT TO MENTION THAT RADIO INTERVIEW.
AT THIS POINT IN PRINCE'S CAREER AND LIFE, DO YOU GUYS REALLY....REALLY THINK WITH HIS MUSICAL ABILITIES, HIS OSCAR, HIS VARIOUS MUSIC AWARDS AND ACCOLADES, HIS HALL OF FAME INDUCTION AND HIS ABILITY TO STILL SELL OUT ARENA CONCERTS IN THE U.S.(WITH A CRAPPY RECORD)IS WORRIED ABOUT A TWICE ACCUSED CHILD SEX OFFENDER WHO SQUANDERED HIS GREATEST AND LEGACY AWAY BECAUSE HE WAS OUT OF CONTROL IN HIS LIFE?  RIVALS IN THEIR TWENTIES AND THIRTIES YES, BUT NOT BITTER HATEFUL RIVALS. PRINCE DIDN'T KICK MICHAEL WHEN HE WAS DOWN, AND CALLED HIM A GENIUS ON A RADIO INTERVIEW IN 2004 (& CALLED JANET THE SISTER OF A GENIUS). YOU ALL KEEP WANTING THEM TO BE RIVALS, NEITHER ON OF THEM ARE EVEN IN THE BUSINESS THE SAME WAY THEY WERE WHEN THEY WERE YOUNGER....GET OVER IT. | |
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 [Edited 10/22/05 21:20pm] Goodnight, sweet Prince. | |
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rudeboynpg said: Hate is a strong word. Prince does not hate Michael Jackson, nor does Prince respect Michael Jackson, nor is he jealous of Michael Jackson's popularity. Prince doesnt wanna be the "King of Pop". Prince is a musician. He makes music as art. Not for hits. Prince says "Thats not the kind of audience u really want. They only come around 2 check u out when u have another hit. They wont come and see u when u try something new. Thats the kind of audience I wanted. I usually write hits for other people and those are the songs I throw away and dont really care for. U say to yourself, "Do I just wanna be real big or do I wanna do something I'll be proud of and really enjoy playing." Terry and Jimmy aren't into the Minneapolis sound, they're into making every single one of their records a hit. We're just different."
You are 90 percent right, except for the part about Prince not respecting Michael Jackson...Unless the man was just being gracious, he has gone on record with saying that Mike is a genius (I myself believe that MJ was a true genuis of the concert stage during his J5 years up into the Bad tour; not with his actual records)...There's nothing wrong with aiming to get hits (I think Prince's infamous cracks on Jimmy & Terry were off base and a bit ridiculous; I mean come on...the dudes did great work...) But the problem comes when you become so obsessed with commercial sales that the art and energy in the music suffers...that's what happened to MJ for the most part. The man became to plastic, too cheoregraphed...He judged his success totally on sales (King Of Pop title indicates this...) rather than quality...This is where Prince wins...But the irony is, most music fans would welcome MJ back if he comes back with a killer straight-no-chaser soul-pop album and stripped down show (MTV's Unplugged???) with out all the corny smoke and mirrors; The defining question, however, is can he still do it? I think it would be great for music to see it happen... [Edited 10/16/05 18:10pm] | |
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Prince does not hate MJ. In fact they have the greatest respct for each other. “When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a Communist.” Brazilian bishop Dom Hélder Câmara |
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Both are talented in their own special ways. But more importantly -both are crazy in their own special ways.  [Edited 10/16/05 16:48pm] "A Watcher scoffs at gravity!" | |
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hellomoto said: murph said: Differences
1. Prince writes 98% of whats on the albums, MJ 5% Murph says: While it's true some of MJ detractors can point to MJ being connected to some of the best producers in the business, it's going too far saying that the man only wrote 5 percent of his albums...I'm sort of in the middle when it comes to critiquing the man's writing output..He wrote the lyrics to some of his best songs (Billie Jean, Beat It, ect...), and this should not be discounted...Unfortunately, people will always something to say about the man because of Q, Temperton, Teddy ect... you will never give michael the songwriting credit he deserves will you murph? he didnt just 'write the lyrics' to some of his most famous songs, he wrote the whole fucking tune. he wrote the music, the melody the lyrics too. 95 % of his biggest hits he wrote purely by himself, written and composed you name it, some of them he even produced. i like you murph, im just sick of you downplaying michaels songwriting skills Well Katty, as usual, it's all love...As I've stated in the past, I know MJ wrote a lot of his biggest hits (more than critics realize)...I agree that on most of the hits like "Don't Stop.." "Billie Jean," "Wanna Be..." MJ wrote the lyrics and contributed or wrote/produced the melodies...But I think the man really started to take complete control of his sound and production with the Bad album...Again, this shows;..."Bad," "I Just Can't Stop Loving You" "Dirty Diana" and ect may have helped Bad sale 28 million albums, but it's not among his best work and its at time a little silly and too slick compared to his past great work...The problem with saying that MJ is among the greats as a pure writer or a producer is that his connection with producers and writers like Quincy, Teddy and Rod Temperton, Tim Boetral (sorry for the mispelling), R. Kelly, Toto, and others is too much to ignore...Yes, there have been other artists that have used producers for their own written works (Joni Mitchell, Neil Young, U2..). But these acts have never really been connected to actual writers or co-writers throughout their own careers); I for one look at MJ as the genuis performer/entertainer who had an incredible gift for melody and a voice that when it's on can make any man cry (Two words: "Human Nature") It's not that I don't agree with you, it's that I'm somewhere in the middle of the argument...I think MJ should get more credit as a writer and as a producer; But i think his skills were completely utilized after Thriller...And while I think an album like Dangerous is criminally underrated (People really need to listen to that album; "Give In To Me" and "Remember The Time" alone is worth the buy), the man has been a little too sporadic in his album releases to judge his evolution as a writer...The thing is I can take Purple Rain and 1999 out of the Prince canon and still come away with the impression that the man was a great writer; The same if I take Sgt. Peppers and Revolver away from the Beatles; and the same If i take Innervisions and Music Of My Mind away from Stevie Wonder. But when you take Thriller and Off The Wall out of the equation, it's really hard to judge MJ on the subject of writing and production one way or another... And I like you too....  [Edited 10/16/05 17:51pm] | |
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 I do not think Prince hate Michael. I think Prince is just glad he is not like Michael. | |
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Maybe Prince just doesn't like being compared to MJ, which I can understand. Other than that I see no reason for hate. [Edited 10/16/05 17:57pm] | |
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MichaelsLight said: Maybe Prince just doesn't like being compared to MJ, which I can understand. Other than that I see no reason for hate.
[Edited 10/16/05 17:57pm] Thanks for the kind words...For the record, I'm signed up to MJboard.com and i enjoy a lot of the conversations with folks overe there; for the most part they are smart, articulate, and reasonable MJ fans (Like hellomoto)...They know I'm an oldschool MJ fan and i really respect the man; he's one of the greats; and he is the biggest icon of his era, easily...I just believe as an artist, the man sold his own talent too short...I don't want the man's legacy to be wasted because of his own absurd commercially driven obsessions; To me Mj deserves better than that..I think Michael should listen to "Stranger In Moscow" (His best written work) one of the rare times his genuis shows up in his actual lyric writing...) and "Butterflies,"1000 times to get his soul mojo back and go from there... [Edited 10/16/05 18:51pm] | |
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maybe he is talking about michael b. |
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squiddyren said: Rinluv said: When was this? I can't clarify which interview it was at the moment, but other people have clarified it before, and in it, the interviewer was playing word association with him and when told 'Michael Jackson', Prince replied 'genius', and when told Janet Jackson, P merely replied 'genius' sister'. I don't think P hates MJ but, I doubt very seriously that he meant musical genius (if he even used that word at all). Maybe marketing genius. Or genius because even though Michael isn't as talented as Prince that he is way more popular and maybe to Prince that is genius. There definitely has been a competition between the two, and maybe sometimes they take digs or poke fun but again I don't think its hate at all. [Edited 10/16/05 18:27pm] | |
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VanitySixx said: squiddyren said: I can't clarify which interview it was at the moment, but other people have clarified it before, and in it, the interviewer was playing word association with him and when told 'Michael Jackson', Prince replied 'genius', and when told Janet Jackson, P merely replied 'genius' sister'. I don't think P hates MJ but, I doubt very seriously that he meant musical genius (if he even used that word at all). Maybe marketing genius. Or genius because even though Michael isn't as talented as Prince that he is way more popular and maybe to Prince that is genius. There definitely has been a competition between the two, and maybe sometimes they take digs or poke fun but again I don't think its hate at all. [Edited 10/16/05 18:27pm] It's not hate..and for the record, pick up some concert video bootlegs of MJ from 77 to 88...The man may not have been a "musical" genuis, but he was easily a genius of the stage/performance...Perhaps this what Prince meant... | |
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hellomoto said: you will never give michael the songwriting credit he deserves will you murph? he didnt just 'write the lyrics' to some of his most famous songs, he wrote the whole fucking tune. he wrote the music, the melody the lyrics too. 95 % of his biggest hits he wrote purely by himself, written and composed you name it, some of them he even produced. i like you murph, im just sick of you downplaying michaels songwriting skills I don't want to burst anybody's bubble, but Michael Jackson owes much of his solo success to this man, his name is Quincy Jones. He produced Off The Wall, Thriller (bringing in Eddie Van Halen, Vincent Price and Paul McCartney), We Are The World (Lionel Richie), E.T. album, Captian Eo songs and Bad. Lets give him some credit. 
 [Edited 10/16/05 19:57pm] Goodnight, sweet Prince. | |
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You know guys, I visit other artist boards sometimes. And I swear, it is only some Prince fans who keep comparing Michael to Prince. I would love to come to the Prince boards and not see a MJ vs. Prince thread.
But damn it! I must admit they are fun to read. 1983-84 all over again. Bottom line, they are both great artist. My life has been enriched by their work. To All the Haters on the Internet
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DonRants said: You know guys, I visit other artist boards sometimes. And I swear, it is only some Prince fans who keep comparing Michael to Prince. I would love to come to the Prince boards and not see a MJ vs. Prince thread.
But damn it! I must admit they are fun to read. 1983-84 all over again. Bottom line, they are both great artist. My life has been enriched by their work. dittto that!!  Space for sale... | |
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What a stalemate thread! I could kick both their asses anyway! I'M the next generation amalgamation! 
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GoldenGlove said: tane1976 said: Like I said, Death emails, golden glove join reality and remember Jacko is a paedophile...
ok, i stopped reading here. None of us can be 100% sure wether he is innocent or guilty. But he was found NOT guilty. i.e. i am 98% sure he is not guilty... there was no solid eveidence to convict him... give it a rest! And what the phuck has that got to do with the music??  I agree 2 disagree, u r right, MJ Has at least two flawless albums that have aged well Thriller and Bad, and there are several great songs b4 and afta, but I stand by the point Prince usually barely notices him.
As to his innocence I supported him through trial one, and into the last one, but got doubts as 95% agree he was guilty. Sorry I am easily influenced by others. 17 Years ago I made a commitment to Prince | |
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But damn it! I must admit they are fun to read. 1983-84 all over again.
Yeah what was it, in 1984 Michael went 2 a private screening of 'Purple Rain' and couldn't understand how a man who wore more make up than him on stage, could be such a lady killer, apparently he also came to dinner at Hayvenhurst and gave Michael a box with a feather inside. Michael saw it as a voodoo symbol of some type. Apparently Prince made some less than subtle passes at LaToya too. I read that in slave to the rythm or Possessed I think. 17 Years ago I made a commitment to Prince | |
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| I agree 2 disagree, u r right, MJ Has at least two flawless albums that have aged well Thriller and Bad, and there are several great songs b4 and afta, but I stand by the point Prince usually barely notices him.
As to his innocence I supported him through trial one, and into the last one, but got doubts as 95% of my friends agree he was guilty. Sorry I am easily influenced by others.[/quote] 17 Years ago I made a commitment to Prince | |
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tane1976 said: I agree 2 disagree, u r right, MJ Has at least two flawless albums that have aged well Thriller and Bad, and there are several great songs b4 and afta, but I stand by the point Prince usually barely notices him.
As to his innocence I supported him through trial one, and into the last one, but got doubts as 95% of my friends agree he was guilty. Sorry I am easily influenced by others. wow, how silly of me, all your friends think hes guilty, so he MUST be guilty  | |
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When MJ and Prince attended that James Brown show in Beverly Hills, and JB called Mike up to sing and dance, after he was done, he INSISTED that Prince come up on stage too. He INSISTED. That means MJ likes Prince to me. | |
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DreZone said: What a stalemate thread! I could kick both their asses anyway! I'M the next generation amalgamation!
'dre whoop dey ass Dre!!! | |
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hellomoto said: tane1976 said: I agree 2 disagree, u r right, MJ Has at least two flawless albums that have aged well Thriller and Bad, and there are several great songs b4 and afta, but I stand by the point Prince usually barely notices him.
As to his innocence I supported him through trial one, and into the last one, but got doubts as 95% of my friends agree he was guilty. Sorry I am easily influenced by others. wow, how silly of me, all your friends think hes guilty, so he MUST be guilty  | |
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DonRants said: You know guys, I visit other artist boards sometimes. And I swear, it is only some Prince fans who keep comparing Michael to Prince. I would love to come to the Prince boards and not see a MJ vs. Prince thread.
But damn it! I must admit they are fun to read. 1983-84 all over again. Bottom line, they are both great artist. My life has been enriched by their work. Well, I've been to a couple of MJ sites and I've seen MJ fans compare the man to Prince...But the reason why you see it mostly on Prince sites is because most Prince fans are former MJ fans or still are...It's rare that you find a hardcore MJ fan who is a Prince fan (It happens, but it's not the norm...)I find that most of MJ's most devoted fans are under the age of 20...And while there are some very young Prince fans out there(My boy Golden Glove comes to mind), most of P's fans are a lot older...This maybe explains why some MJ fans have a hard time dealing with the more explicit, the more ironic and the more complex Prince...From 82 to 90 the man was at times as out there as Bowie and he certainly was as unpredictable...Hell, it's hard for Prince's oldschool fans to follow the man sometimes... [Edited 10/17/05 11:01am] | |
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CreamyThighs said: When MJ and Prince attended that James Brown show in Beverly Hills, and JB called Mike up to sing and dance, after he was done, he INSISTED that Prince come up on stage too. He INSISTED. That means MJ likes Prince to me.
Prince looked high when he came on stage. The whole thing was HOT!!! | |
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Somebody knows about"4ever in my life"live in LA?
He says:Janet was at the concert the day be4,moving 2 the music. She left be4 I could ask her"what's up Sly Stone & the Family 's music?" Her brother owns that,I dont mean nobody no harm but look like The Family Stone is up in here. We can play that music,can we??? Love4oneanother | |
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Paisley4u said: Somebody knows about"4ever in my life"live in LA?
He says:Janet was at the concert the day be4,moving 2 the music. She left be4 I could ask her"what's up Sly Stone & the Family 's music?" Her brother owns that,I dont mean nobody no harm but look like The Family Stone is up in here. We can play that music,can we??? Yeah...I remember that quote...very interesting.... | |
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Averett said: And how would the child know what your penis looks like (unique marks and all) which would then compel you to pay his family 25 million dollars in hush money?
I was very much a MJ fan until his settlement in '93. When he paid out the money after the child was able to provide law enforcement with an accurate description of the markings on his penis, MJ became a sick piece of crap in my book. the d.a took the pics and then describe them to the kid why is it so difficult to understand the man was found after 5 months of testimonies and 160 so-called witnesses(80% of them owe michael jackson millions)not guilty on 10 counts by 12 individuals who aren't fan of his music and they were white so you can't say it was a race thing why he got off how can there be evidence when nothing happend?? the settlement was an insurance payment you look up the 1108 evidence that was brought in the case and you will see the kid and the parents still had the chance in 1993 to testify against him in court but they didn't because nothing happend if someone touched my little brother or sister i don't give a shit who your are YOUR GOING DOWN!!! and back to topic prince doesnt hate michael jackson and mike doesn't hate fellow artists why should he hate prince??? i think he hates people like martin bashir, tom sneddick,diane dimond, but not prince! Beat me, hate me You can never break me Will me, thrill me You can never kill me Jew me, Sue me Everybody do me Kick me, kike me Don't you black or white me-michael jackson  | |
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