Sorry , i aint religous

Just wondered what peoples thoughts were on the whole change of religion , no sexually explicit lyrics & no cursing ..... it means we will never get another Erotic City, Lets Pretend were Married , Shockadelica or Girl.... (4 of my all time faves) ..... it's all changed , it really dont seem that long since Pussy Control & Days of Wild ..... 10 years ..... OMG

i don't care for 'em. if he sings about something i don't care to hear about, i ignore it and carry on.

Well he sang about incest back in the day, not exactly my deal but whatever.

He sings about other stuff now, I'll give it a listen.

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Universaluv said:

I'll buy anything that he puts out , that aint my point ..... i was just saying i would miss some of his more rauchier stuff , be it the 4 i mentioned ..... & including Gett Off, Do me Baby & Bambi ..... 3 more favourites of mine & many i would expect

AlphabetST1977 said:

Did I suggest anything about what you should buy or listen to?

You asked about peoples thoughts, I gave you mine.

wouldn't lie to you baby , i'm spiritually attracted to you
.....it's mainly a spiritual thing

don't die without knowing the christ

all thanks to Larry Graham

At first I thought it would, and to it an extent it will in a direct way. But after reading some of the stuff in the Songs of Solomon, I think he'll manage to work around a lot of things.

His religious beliefs will/ have definately gotten in the way, there is no avoiding it.
You are restricted to doing and saying thigs a certain way when you are not free to just let it flow and that will and has already caused a slight slip in quality of his music.
Maybe I should say his lyrics have suffered, not the music.
Wether you like the new religious Prnce or not, you have to admit that some of his lyrics come off sounding plain silly when he changed them around to be more "child friendly".

Even more annoying to me is his crusade to make sure we all know how intelligent
he is. I had alot more interest back in the 80's and early 90's when you didn't
know for sure what was going on in his little mixed up mind. I'll always miss the mystery.

If he thinks he's found the way to Heaven, good on him. I'm not about to try to stop him or say he's wrong because it's none of my business. But I do think he's got too much heaven and not enough hell in his work lately because of it. Life is a balance between the two, so why not show it?


And more selfishly -I'll never get to see some of my favourite songs in concert, at least not without drastic lyrical changes. "It's mainly a spiritual thing"? Please. If he doesn't like where he was before he should quit performing certain songs altogether and make new songs that fit his current beliefs -and not try to erase the past by censoring himself.

Dewrede said:

It's bad news

Dewrede said:

Co-sign

I think it's lame to change the lyrics. The message of the song usually doesn't even change when he's censoring himself.

lets not get this thread moved over to p&r folks..

just a warning..

sosgemini said:

Good point , i'm not in2 Religion or talkin about it

Averett said:

I really don't listen to songs for the lyrics. The music behind the lyrics is what attracts me. That's why rap bores the hell out of me, it's a genre that's more about the lyrics with no real music behind it. If Prince made the ABCs funky, hell I'd buy it.

AlphabetST1977 said:

"Never say never!" Who knows, maybe he'll go that direction again, after all Glass Cutter showed some promise!

vainandy said:

Averett said:

It's the same damn song.

OdysseyMiles said:

cha know what? i gotta agree....prince should just stop singing this song...changing the word changes the symbolism..it kills it.

sosgemini said:

Maybe it does change the symbolism, but do what extent?
Folks obviously related to the idea that we all have a "cross" to bear, but then they turn around and get huffy about P mentioning the Christ directly.
Either way, it's one man singin' about the fact that people need Jesus.
What did they think he was talking about before?
One minute people want Prince to be more explicit, and the next minute they want him to keep things as exactly they were. The cross is nothing more than a symbol, but the Christ is the man himself - God's son.
This is a perfect example of him being more explicit, just not in a way that satisfies fans. Well, he probably didn't care what atheists thought when he wrote "God" or "Anna Stesia". Obviously, he was gonna continue to be true to himself once he decided to change the moniker of this ditty.

OdysseyMiles said:

the cross leaves room for the mind to breath...the christ spells it out.

i remember reading an article about script writing...it talked about how sometimes its better allow room for intepretation....."the christ" makes it too specific.

im not really arguing religion here...more so the craft of songwriting.

I honestly don't think that Prince's beliefs are drastically different than they have been.

Is Prince less wild than his early days? Of course.

I think it has to do with his age. During the "musicology' tour he still was provocative just more subtle. I mean, he's still doin' the line "..people call me rude/wish we all were nude..." from Contoversy. Not exactly squeaky clean.

Is he vastly more religious/spirtiual nowadays?

I don't think so. Think about it.

-He recited "The Lord's Prayer" in "controversy", the Controversy tour was rife with his speeches/song about "the 2nd coming."

-Most, if not all, of his albums were dedicated to God.

-Have you seen the "Purple Rain" tour ? Dude, talks to God for 40 minutes in some of those concerts.


All in all, this sums it up for me:

Jim Walsh Pioneer Press Article |
Article publication date: June 14, 2001

For Prince, it’s all about sex, God and rock ’n’ roll

JIM WALSH MUSIC CRITIC

Why has the news that Prince has embraced the faith of the Jehovah’s Witnesses been met with so much suspicion? Why should such a revelation surprise anyone, coming as it does from a man who has spent most of his 43 years, and his entire recording career, celebrating God?

Maybe because it is the Big Unspeakable in the media and in polite society in general, because thanks to right-wingers and other God cops, to reveal such a personal relationship is to be in cahoots with nutcases, extremists and zealots.

But one man’s cult is another man’s church, and the fact remains that the B-side to Prince’s most famous single, "Purple Rain," was "God." Furthermore, one of his best-ever songs, the one that gets played in basketball arenas and on radio stations all over the world, kicks off with a vocal that sounds as if it were recorded in the Grand Canyon, and as if it belonged not to a pop star but to a preacher: "Dearly beloved, we are gathered here to get through this thing called life."

Which is what Prince, like the rest of us, has been doing all these years - getting through this thing called life. To many, his public persona is that of control freak, media-manipulator and/or sexy mofo, but where it counts - in the grooves - the little man has always been asking big questions.

And the one constant to his search has been his faith, which he has sung about on every record he has released, in songs such as "The Holy River," "The Cross," "Gold," "I Wish U Heaven," "God’s Spirit," "And God Created Woman," "Thieves in the Temple," "The Work," "Anna Stesia," "The Truth," "Annie Christian," "The Ladder," "Mountains," "Soul Sanctuary," "Spirit," "Gold," "Count the Days," "Into The Light" and, yes, "My Name Is Prince." Among many others.

So what’s the big deal? I mean, in the middle of "Controversy," for heaven’s sakes, he recited part of the Lord’s Prayer. One of his most memorable covers was Joan Osborne’s "One of Us," for which he changed the lyrics to, "What if God was one of us?/Just a slave like one of us?" And the easiest way to find Paisley Park at night is to look for the glowing peace symbol that rests atop the studio’s highest spire and cuts the Chanhassen sky like a beacon.

The truth is, Prince has done more in the name of love-slash-God than many do-gooders who ostensibly give their lives to one religion or another. And it is hilariously ironic that conservative Christians regularly come out against Prince, or burn his records, because it’s obvious that they’ve got dogma in their ears.

That, or sex makes them nervous. Or, they don’t consider sex to be God’s work, but I do. Call me Jimmy the Blasphemer, but I’m here to say that when Prince sings about getting nasty, he’s also singing about getting right with God, whether it’s "Head," "Erotic City," "Sex in the Summer," "Housequake," "Hot Wit U," "Pink Cashmere," "Gett Off," "Insatiable," "Shhh" or "Pussy Control." Among many others.

And he’s always, always, always singing about love. Which, again, is to say that he’s singing about God, as he does on such love celebrations as "Live 4 Love," "Love for One Another," "Boys and Girls," "Love... Thy Will Be Done," "Noon Rendezvous," "Adore," "I Love U in Me," "Eye Hate U," "When 2 R in Love" or "I Wanna Be Your Lover." Among many others.

Then there’s the music itself - magnificent, miraculous, merciless bass-bumped funk - which is arguably the most Godlike music ever created because it fuses the torso with the head, heart, and soul like nothing else. And it occurs to me that by doing so, by getting us to dance, Prince isn’t necessarily preaching about what he’s found specifically, so much as encouraging us to find what works for us, and to believe in something bigger than ourselves, be it Jesus, Jah, Jehovah or Jolt.

Which is what happens to most musicians somewhere along the way. Most musicians, if they don’t start out believing in God, end up doing so, because after a while they can’t believe themselves, or what they’ve done. There are countless examples of musicians saying, "That wasn’t me. That song just happened. I didn’t write that, it came to me in a dream, fully formed."

In doing so, they both embrace and distance themselves from their gift - a necessary survival tactic, because its power to move souls is so profound. And, for the gifted one, often overwhelming.

Last summer around this time, I hung out with Prince and his bass player, Larry Graham, for a couple of hours in Prince’s office at Paisley Park. Prince had asked me to come out to the studio to discuss a column I wrote, an open letter in which I requested of him one more "great record."

I expounded on my need for him to be a big star again, to reclaim his throne and to kick all the bad music off the airwaves. He couldn’t have cared less about my version of success, or what I thought the world needed from him. He said, "I’ve been to the top of the mountain, and there was nothing there."

So he found something. He told me about it, as he scrolled through the text of my column on his computer, reading almost every line out loud, laughing, challenging, questioning. When he got to the bit where I’d written, "Several lesser lights have made off with your crown because you’ve been distracted by the task at hand (making music that describes right now) by music industry-grousing, name changes (and) cryptic religious questions but no answers," he stopped.

He smirked, and raised his eyebrows at me. At the time, I saw those eyebrows as a condescending expression of the know-it-all nouveau religious. But I’ve since come to the conclusion that they were saying two things: "The answers are out there," and, "No one but you can provide you with the answers you need."

He’s right, of course. Everyone’s answers are different, because everyone’s questions are different. And Prince - who has lived one of the weirder lives known to man or God, starting with the fact that he comes from a broken home and grew up a black genius in mostly white Minnesota - has found some answers and some peace, and I for one am happy for him.
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Dewrede said:

Yeah I don't dog the man for his beliefs (even though I believe if he was gonna go that way he shoulda went the true path instead of a SECT) but I really don't like when he changes words to songs either Dewrede.

Love2tha9s said:

Had he went toward what you consider the "true path", others would still complain about that. At the end of the day, you've still got a guy who's going to do what he wants. Why should it even matter?

sosgemini said: