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GottaLetitgo said: Heiress said: People don't get it. That's the only problem I can see.
It's not so much that I don't get it. It's just that I don't want it. Ha, ha! 
I'm doing just fine without listening to it, too. 
That and Musicology. I think that they are equally crappy albums. The Chocolate Invasion was more me.  [Edited 9/26/05 6:37am]   FREE THE 29 MAY 1993 COME CONFIGURATION!
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Heiress- I read your thesis about Prince's spiritual Utopia's. It was an interesting, thought provoking, read and I can tell you put a lot into it.
You said earlier that the only problem with "The Rainbow Children" is that "people don't get it". I ask you- whose fault is that? Why should people have to put in as much work as you did for your thesis in order to really appreciate "The Rainbow Children"? If there is more to be read into the album than what is in the lyrics, (as you say there is) whose responsibilty is it to "do the Work"? Should I sit down with a bunch of scriptures and analyze the album?? Perhaps I should. You must ask yourself this question: Why do Prince fans respond better to albums like "Lovesexy" and "Around the World in a day"? If anything, your thesis suggests that Prince's spirituality has been constant and that his ideas about spirituality from 1985 and 1988 aren't really that different than his ideas in 2001. I think that the reason some fans have such a negative reaction to "the Rainbow Children" isn't because they don't "get it". I think it's because the album, unlike "lovesexy" and "ATWIAD" tries to spoonfeed Prince's message, and people don't like being patronized or talked down to. Eliminating the freedom of interpretation eliminates half the fun. "lovesexy" was more abstract than "the Rainbow Children" and it allowed Prince's fans the freedom to take the adventure themselves- which has always been more fun. [Edited 9/26/05 6:44am] "New Power slide...." |
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skywalker said: Heiress- I read your thesis about Prince's spiritual Utopia's. It was an interesting, thought provoking, read and I can tell you put a lot into it.
You said earlier that the only problem with "The Rainbow Children" is that "people don't get it". I ask you- whose fault is that? Why should people have to put in as much work as you did for your thesis in order to really appreciate "The Rainbow Children"? If there is more to be read into the album than what is in the lyrics, (as you say there is) whose responsibilty is it to "do the Work"? Should I sit down with a bunch of scriptures and analyze the album?? Perhaps I should. You must ask yourself this question: Why do Prince fans respond better to albums like "Lovesexy" and "Around the World in a day"? If anything, your thesis suggests that Prince's spirituality has been constant and that his ideas about spirituality from 1985 and 1988 aren't really that different than his ideas in 2001. I think that the reason some fans have such a negative reaction to "the Rainbow Children" isn't because they don't "get it". I think it's because the album, unlike "lovesexy" and "ATWIAD" tries to spoonfeed Prince's message, and people don't like being patronized or talked down to. Eliminating the freedom of interpretation eliminates half the fun. "lovesexy" was more abstract than "the Rainbow Children" and it allowed Prince's fans the freedom to take the adventure themselves- which has always been more fun. [Edited 9/26/05 6:44am] i see what you mean. but i think fans read a lot more into the meanings of his songs than i did, as a JW. what a lot of people take as specific JW doctrine i simply saw as a repeat and clarification of past themes, but over a longer period of time and several albums... to see it all in one place could seem rather shocking, i suppose. as far as "getting it" or not getting it... i guess i'm not a fam, because i don't take his messages all that seriously. i'm glad he's happy but ya know, i'm a student of art and literature, as well as an artist myself. it's not as if he's a personal friend of mine... | |
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MSERMA said: I was responding to this thread to discuss TRC, not your paper. I am not concerned with your personal views except for how jail bait relates to God and The Rainbow Children on this thread.
Anyone can state their views but that doesn't mean they are right.  Even you Heiress.I'd answer, but I have no idea WHAT in the world you are talking about. I've been asking you to read the report because I understand TRC as an allegory. OK, enough of this. | |
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to me, TRC represents a turning point in prince's life when he went from being a spiritual and arguably 'open' person to embracing a fairly rigidly prescribed doctrine.
the difference between the lyrics of 'lovesexy' and 'TRC' is absolutely profound i enjoy the music on TRC, but imo the lyrics are so indigestible that i never listen to it... [Edited 9/26/05 9:40am] | |
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I didnt think it was going to win many new fans but i think it is a classic. Fuck the funk - it's time to ditch the worn-out Vegas horns fills, pick up the geee-tar and finally ROCK THE MUTHA-FUCKER!! He hinted at this on Chaos, now it's time to step up and fully DELIVER!!
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I don't like that fact that James Earl JOnes takes up as much time as Prince does on the album. At least, I think it's James Earl Jones.  | |
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Heiress said "....as far as "getting it" or not getting it... i guess i'm not a fam, because i don't take his messages all that seriously. i'm glad he's happy but ya know, i'm a student of art and literature, as well as an artist myself. it's not as if he's a personal friend of mine..."
So, if you don't take his message all that seriously, why put so much effort into writing an entire thesis on Prince's overall mantra? I feel that, even though you may not relate on a personal level to Prince's message, that you take them seriously enough to write a multiple paged thesis on his spiritual evolution. That being said-Why are you concerned if people don't like "the Rainbow Children"? As I said before, I think it has some genius in it, but I can see why people don't like it. "New Power slide...." |
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muirdo said: I didnt think it was going to win many new fans but i think it is a classic.
Well, it probably won him many a fan in Jehova's Witnesses.
I can just imagine them at some Jehova function, all dressed up in white gowns like Larry Graham and rockin' out to Wedding Feast. Ha, ha. FREE THE 29 MAY 1993 COME CONFIGURATION!
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I agree with Purple Knight, the album is far too inconsistent i love the fact that P tried something new but in places it just seems TOO experimental & has an equal number of songs that i really like & really hate
Wedding feast is one of the worst things i've ever heard (although i dont really think it can b called a TRACK) Muse ..... not impressed Rainbow Children ..... just one long jam, i love these jams live but not really on an album. Everywhere ..... just 2 damn experimental
Digital Garden ..... i hate this 1 Mellow ..... Yuk 1+1+1=3 ..... i love this track
She loves me 4 me ..... one of the best things from P in the last 6 years Work ,PT1 ..... pretty decent Family Name ..... again , it is decent sensual everafter ..... i love the Guitar in this piece, its a shame about that voice & the fact he didnt put some quality lyrics with it (it really is a good piece of music) 
Last december ..... quality track Evelasting now ..... pretty good
I've just realised that i actually like a bit more of it than i dont like 
But still that is the problem with TRC ,it's very experimental in places (not a bad thing sometimes) & at times just sounds all over the place  Live4Love
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skywalker said: Heiress said "....as far as "getting it" or not getting it... i guess i'm not a fam, because i don't take his messages all that seriously. i'm glad he's happy but ya know, i'm a student of art and literature, as well as an artist myself. it's not as if he's a personal friend of mine..."
So, if you don't take his message all that seriously, why put so much effort into writing an entire thesis on Prince's overall mantra? I feel that, even though you may not relate on a personal level to Prince's message, that you take them seriously enough to write a multiple paged thesis on his spiritual evolution. That being said-Why are you concerned if people don't like "the Rainbow Children"? As I said before, I think it has some genius in it, but I can see why people don't like it. I think that if people dislike it, it should be an informed decision... not because they missed the whole point in the first place. Prince's "mantra" as you call it, is important period because it belongs to the history of art. Prince is an important player in that history. But that's quite different from "taking it personally." I think impartiality is important in this matter. | |
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Too Much Heaven on their minds...  | |
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"I think that if people dislike it, it should be an informed decision... not because they missed the whole point in the first place."
Yeah, but music (perhaps more than any other art) is initially responded to by a gut reaction. Something either moves you or it doesn't. The analyzation/dissection of art usually comes much after the initial reaction. When I listen to a song do I need a historical, scholarly, and artistic backrgound to appreciate it? No. I do not have to know the history of Stevie Wonder's life to appreciate his music. Nor, do I need to know the history of Ireland's strife to appreciate U2's songs-even their more political/humanistic songs. That type of "Appreciation" is usually saved for historical and literary analysis and also usually sucks the fun out of enjoying the art. "Lovesexy" can be just as "deep" as "The Rainbow Children" and has the same theme/message (your thesis proved this) yet many fans think that "The Rainbow Children" is not nearly as fun- even the informed fans." [Edited 9/26/05 21:01pm] [Edited 9/26/05 21:03pm] "New Power slide...." |
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skywalker said: "I think that if people dislike it, it should be an informed decision... not because they missed the whole point in the first place."
Yeah, but music (perhaps more than any other art) is initially responded to by a gut reaction. Something either moves you or it doesn't. The analyzation/dissection of art usually comes much after the initial reaction. When I listen to a song do I need a historical, scholarly, and artistic backrgound to appreciate it? No. I do not have to know the history of Stevie Wonder's life to appreciate his music. Nor, do I need to know the history of Ireland's strife to appreciate U2's songs-even their more political/humanistic songs. That type of "Appreciation" is usually saved for historical and literary analysis and also usually sucks the fun out of enjoying the art. "Lovesexy" can be just as "deep" as "The Rainbow Children" and has the same theme/message (your thesis proved this) yet many fans think that "The Rainbow Children" is not nearly as fun- even the informed fans." [Edited 9/26/05 21:01pm] [Edited 9/26/05 21:03pm] We're not talking about music in general here... we're talking about Prince's music. anybody who clicks on this thread will have something to say about it, or wants to read the other's comments... all in all, they express some interest in the topic. I assume that in coming to a Prince website, folks have more than the usual interest in his work. | |
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what does "jail bait" mean? | |
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benjamino71 said: what does "jail bait" mean?
There was this huge scandal a couple of years ago about Jehova fathers swapping daughters. You know what for. 
"Jailbait" is someone below the legal age that is so hot, you're tempted to risk jail for having sexual intercourse with the minor.  FREE THE 29 MAY 1993 COME CONFIGURATION!
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Jailbait" is someone below the legal age that is so hot, you're tempted to risk jail for having sexual intercourse with the minor.
sounds nasty... what is it actually, precisely, that prince sings about this issue on the rainbow children? [Edited 9/27/05 2:34am] | |
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scififilmnerd said: There was this huge scandal a couple of years ago about Jehova fathers swapping daughters. You know what for.
 What the HELL are you talking about?
I'm a JW, and never heard about this. What you are saying is slanderous. I'm out of this discussion... it's degrading too fast. | |
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sorry bout my bad english/american, but what does swapping mean, then? [Edited 9/27/05 2:55am] | |
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"...I assume that in coming to a Prince website, folks have more than the usual interest in his work..."
Right, but having a deep interest in Prince's work is different than having to "be informed" of historical references and religious background information in order to appreciate "The Rainbow Children". "New Power slide...." |
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skywalker said: "...I assume that in coming to a Prince website, folks have more than the usual interest in his work..."
Right, but having a deep interest in Prince's work is different than having to "be informed" of historical references and religious background information in order to appreciate "The Rainbow Children". Really though, none of that is even necessary. One could just enjoy the music. Or, they could look into the things mentioned in TRC and find out for themselves. The lyrics of my favorite artists have hipped me to many things. [Edited 9/27/05 7:12am] | |
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OdysseyMiles said: skywalker said: "...I assume that in coming to a Prince website, folks have more than the usual interest in his work..."
Right, but having a deep interest in Prince's work is different than having to "be informed" of historical references and religious background information in order to appreciate "The Rainbow Children". Really though, none of that is even necessary. Once could just enjoy the music. Or, they could look into the things mentioned in TRC and find out for themselves. The lyrics of my favorite artists have hipped me to many things. Which means, in turn, that people like me will have interesting papers to write in school.
I appreciate things more when I have a little background. So do a lot of people. So suffice to say, the papers I wrote and posted are perhaps not for 90% of this org. That's fine... but it's great to share with those who DO care about exploring Prince's oeuvre on a profounder level. That's what I'm here for. The rest, to me, is just noise... | |
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Loads of things are wrong. The lyrics of Muse 2 the Pharoah and the ridiculing of Jewish surnames in Family Name are the most obvious problems. I don't like some of the music too. And the voice is distracting and it's understandable that many find it annoying. However, the title track, The Work pt 1, family name, the everlasting now and last december, are all musically brilliant. That's what right about the rainbow children, for me.
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"....I appreciate things more when I have a little background. So do a lot of people. So suffice to say, the papers I wrote and posted are perhaps not for 90% of this org. That's fine... but it's great to share with those who DO care about exploring Prince's oeuvre on a profounder level...."
I agree with you to a point. As far as "The Rainbow Children" goes...1st you say that people "don't get it", meaning that if fans were to know a little background they'd appreciate "The Rainbow Children" more. However, I am saying that even with the proper "background info" (which shouldn't be necessary anyways) many fans would still dislike "the Rainbow Children". Also, you contradict yourself a bit when you say "....but it's great to share with those who DO care about exploring Prince's oeuvre on a profounder level...." because earlier you tried to tell me that "....(you) don't take his messages all that seriously..." So which is it? [ [Edited 9/27/05 11:23am] "New Power slide...." |
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funny, 83 replys and no one mentions the misogyny,the anti-semitism, the poorly disguised racism and general negative tone to the album... | |
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Because it is weak, New Age pop jazz of the worst kind. Listen to Coltrain and ask me again. All you others say Hell Yea!! | |
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emesem said: funny, 83 replys and no one mentions the misogyny,the anti-semitism, the poorly disguised racism and general negative tone to the album...
We're talking about The Rainbow Children, not The Marshall Mathers LP. | |
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Just listened to it today...may not be so original as the 80s stuff and I dont like the storyline much (I believe in God and Jesus, but I dont like concept albums, pharaohs, etc), but it´s certainly a great album, specially musically. The production kicks ass, the musicianship between Prince and Blackwell is amazing. Prince is very mature musically on that one. |
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emesem said: funny, 83 replys and no one mentions the misogyny,the anti-semitism, the poorly disguised racism and general negative tone to the album...
Yeah, that's the thing. Prince on this album is basically saying that we should all come together...except for all people who believe in anything but the JW rules. Men "assimilating" their women? What century is this? Trivializing the horror of the Holocaust by saying it's nothing compared to slavery? Wow... Then there's the whole issue with criticizing Jews for their surnames. Ah, and let's not forget Prince celebrating his God killing people left and right who don't follow the JW doctrine. Prince is hateful and arrogant on this. Totally charmless. [Edited 9/27/05 14:53pm] The world is a comedy for those who think and a tragedy for those who feel.
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Honestly, here is my theory as to what it is:
To many fans, Prince represented rebellion and a certain Uptown youth that they could relate to. He was the anti- conformist/ anti-Michael Jackson. He was not your momma's funkrocker. He was dressed like a sissy , but he was a gender & race unifying badass, who worshipped Love/God above all else, and believed in/promoted sex as a way to get to heaven. Then, Prince went through all the shit people go through between the ages of 20 to 40 and he sharpened and refined his attitudes/thoughts on life. A lot of fans saw this as their old hero letting them down. I simply saw it as Luke Skywalker changing his lightsaber color from blue to green. Prince's message is the same as always, just more refined. Say what you will, "The Rainbow Children" is still one horny album, not to mention funky as fuck-I mean duck. [Edited 9/27/05 14:59pm] "New Power slide...." |
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