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Thread started 09/21/05 11:58am

PurpleKnight

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Musicology isn't Prince's worst album, but it has the fewest stand out songs.

I'm not here to talk about the album as a whole. It's decent.

It has no truly special songs on it though. It has no real stand outs that can stand on their own and remind you that Prince is a genius.

Even his seemingly least popular albums seem to have had one or two stunners that caught people's ears and stood out as special gems amongst hardcore fans.

For You-Crazy You, Baby
Batman-Scandalous, Electric Chair
Graffiti Bridge-Joy In Repetition, The Question Of U
Diamonds and Pearls-Cream, Insatiable
prince-Damn U, 7, And God Created Woman
Come-Pheromone, Solo, Dark
Chaos and Disorder-Dinner With Delores, Into The Light/I Will
Emancipation-The Love We Make, Soul Sanctuary, etc.
NewPower Soul-Come On, Wasted Kisses, The One
Rave-I Love U But I Don't Trust U Anymore
TRC-The Sensual Everafter, Everlasting Now, Last December

If I'm slightly off with one of the songs I listed or forgot to mention, I'm sorry. You get the idea though.


What does Musicology have? It's consistent, but not one song on it is original sounding or especially creative. Not one will ever be a fan fave or even considered special.

BTW I didn't include NEWS cause it's just not a really fair comparison. I'm talking about all his conventional albums where he actually sang.

[Edited 9/21/05 12:00pm]
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Reply #1 posted 09/21/05 11:59am

GoldenGlove

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Call My Name, Musicology & Dear Mr. Man
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Reply #2 posted 09/21/05 12:01pm

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Call My Name is a combination of every love ballad he's ever composed, and those were all slightly better.

Musicology is a generic JB retread that anyone could've done.

Dear Mr. Man has simplistic lyrics and was done a million times better by Marvin Gaye.
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Reply #3 posted 09/21/05 12:02pm

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Seems I remember ppl round here gushing over A Million Days alot.

My personal favorite track is The Marrying Kind, but I'm sure thats much too
poppy and predictable to be on of those fan faves
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Reply #4 posted 09/21/05 12:05pm

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I gushed over A Million Days too when I first got the album.

All the songs get old so quickly, though. They're all inoffensive but disposable.

A Million Days is a less energetic version of Dolphin. It's really not that strong of a rock ballad.
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Reply #5 posted 09/21/05 12:07pm

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PurpleKnight said:

Call My Name is a combination of every love ballad he's ever composed, and those were all slightly better.

Musicology is a generic JB retread that anyone could've done.

Dear Mr. Man has simplistic lyrics and was done a million times better by Marvin Gaye.


Call My Name is a great song... i'm sorry u cannot see that.

Musicology is 2 funky! only Prince could do that.

dear Mr. Man is one of Prince's most mature songs.
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Reply #6 posted 09/21/05 12:09pm

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PurpleKnight said:

I'm not here to talk about the album as a whole. It's decent.

It has no truly special songs on it though. It has no real stand outs that can stand on their own and remind you that Prince is a genius.

Even his seemingly least popular albums seem to have had one or two stunners that caught people's ears and stood out as special gems amongst hardcore fans.

For You-Crazy You, Baby
Batman-Scandalous, Electric Chair
Graffiti Bridge-Joy In Repetition, The Question Of U
Diamonds and Pearls-Cream, Insatiable
prince-Damn U, 7, And God Created Woman
Come-Pheromone, Solo, Dark
Chaos and Disorder-Dinner With Delores, Into The Light/I Will
Emancipation-The Love We Make, Soul Sanctuary, etc.
NewPower Soul-Come On, Wasted Kisses, The One
Rave-I Love U But I Don't Trust U Anymore
TRC-The Sensual Everafter, Everlasting Now, Last December

If I'm slightly off with one of the songs I listed or forgot to mention, I'm sorry. You get the idea though.


What does Musicology have? It's consistent, but not one song on it is original sounding or especially creative. Not one will ever be a fan fave or even considered special.

BTW I didn't include NEWS cause it's just not a really fair comparison. I'm talking about all his conventional albums where he actually sang.

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As much as I really do like Musicology, I have to agree with the Jedi on this.

I can't think of a single track to counter your argument.
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Reply #7 posted 09/21/05 12:10pm

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Call My Name is nothing he hadn't done a billion times before.

For a fresh sounding and hypnotizing romantic ballad, I'll stick with Soul Sanctuary.

Musicology is the most generic Prince song possible. It's nothing any of JB's imitators couldn't easily do.

How is Dear Mr. Man mature? Saying that there's no sense in voting is mature?! Is "We tired 'o' y'all!" that mature theme you're referring to?

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Reply #8 posted 09/21/05 12:22pm

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It's better than the rainbow children.

All the songs are good but not classic. Should have had more John Blackwell drumming though!
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Reply #9 posted 09/21/05 12:26pm

GoldenGlove

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PurpleKnight said:

How is Dear Mr. Man mature? Saying that there's no sense in voting is mature?! Is "We tired 'o' y'all!" that mature theme you're referring to?
[Edited 9/21/05 12:11pm]


Well let's take a look at the "classic" song "mature" lyics

When Doves Cry: "Animals srike curius poses"

Alphabet St: "Yeah, Yeah, Yeeeaaah!

Let's Go Crazy: "I'm excited, i don't know why, maybe it's because, were all gonna die"

Anie Christian: "AC wanted, to be a big star, so she moved to Atlanta, and bought a blue car"

Sexuality "You don't need no money, u don't need no clothes"

neutral great songs but MATURE LYRICS?? (with the eception of WDC)
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Reply #10 posted 09/21/05 12:33pm

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zennabell said:

It's better than the rainbow children.

All the songs are good but not classic. Should have had more John Blackwell drumming though!


what makes you think it's better than The Rainbow Children?
That's an album with some truly great songs on it and with
a lot of stellar performances from Prince as well has his
band.

i agree, they are two totally different albums conceived in
two completely different mindsets. however Rainbow Children
is by means of songcraft, influence, instrumentation, sheer
energy, inventiveness, inspiration, daring and performance,
and last but not least cohesiveness (Musicology is nice but
it lacks a soul) The Rainbow Children beats Musicology.

looking back in hindsight, even Rave, how ever much we have
joked about it, is a better album than Musicology. Because
that one too has a more daring execution and some strive to
it. Musicology is filled with great tunes, instant grooves
that jam very nicely. But they're all so easy to forget.
and true love lives on lollipops and crisps
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Reply #11 posted 09/21/05 12:33pm

luv4all7

I agree. The album is good as a whole, but the songs can't stand on their own. They're not up to a PRINCE standard of greatness, which lets face it, is higher than other artists.
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Reply #12 posted 09/21/05 12:44pm

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GoldenGlove said:

PurpleKnight said:

How is Dear Mr. Man mature? Saying that there's no sense in voting is mature?! Is "We tired 'o' y'all!" that mature theme you're referring to?
[Edited 9/21/05 12:11pm]


Well let's take a look at the "classic" song "mature" lyics

When Doves Cry: "Animals srike curius poses"

Alphabet St: "Yeah, Yeah, Yeeeaaah!

Let's Go Crazy: "I'm excited, i don't know why, maybe it's because, were all gonna die"

Anie Christian: "AC wanted, to be a big star, so she moved to Atlanta, and bought a blue car"

Sexuality "You don't need no money, u don't need no clothes"

neutral great songs but MATURE LYRICS?? (with the eception of WDC)
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This is one of the weakest arguments I've ever read at The Org.

When Doves Cry: You took one single sentence that wasn't even a part of the whole line. You just conveniently edited out the part where the line becomes meaningful.

Alphabet St.: This song isn't meant to be mature, it's meant to be fun. It's also incredibly original, in that "Alphabet St." isn't what it appears to mean when you hear the title. This is a terrible excuse to defend a serious political song like Dear Mr. Man. There's no fair lyrical comparison possible here.

Annie Christian: This song has very clever lyrics. "Annie Christian, Annie Christ. Until you're crucified, I'll live my life in taxi cabs." But did I ever say it was incredibly mature? Another silly example on your part.

Sexuality: Once again, I never mentioned this song as being mature. Another stupid example. And once again, comparing its lyrics to that of a political song about the state of the world is ridiculous.

These are all convenient examples to make it look like Prince has and always will be at the same level of maturity in his lyricism.

It's not true at all.

Sign 'O' The Times' lyrics are incredibly mature and thought provoking; ten times moreso than Dear Mr. Man.
The world is a comedy for those who think and a tragedy for those who feel.

"You still wanna take me to prison...just because I won't trade humanity for patriotism."
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Reply #13 posted 09/21/05 12:50pm

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Musicology, ICPC, The Marrying Kind, IIWTMIYL, WDYWM2D, Dear Mr Man.

All standouts in my book
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Reply #14 posted 09/21/05 1:07pm

AlphabetST1977

I have to agree with The Golden Glove dude .....

Call My Name is a top class tune , i know a few non Prince fans who love that tune .

Musicology the single gets better everytime i hear it lol

& Reflection etc are some really decent tunes .

I will agree that it aint as strong as some ,it could actually do with a couple of The Chocolate Invasian tracks ..... this is a much stronger album with about 6 standout tracks from only 10 tunes BUT i would say that CMN & MUSICOLOGY are standouts IMO wink
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Reply #15 posted 09/21/05 1:10pm

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Million Days, Call My Name, Cinnamon Girl, WDUWM2D, Reflection
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Reply #16 posted 09/21/05 1:12pm

GoldenGlove

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PurpleKnight said:

GoldenGlove said:



Well let's take a look at the "classic" song "mature" lyics

When Doves Cry: "Animals srike curius poses"

Alphabet St: "Yeah, Yeah, Yeeeaaah!

Let's Go Crazy: "I'm excited, i don't know why, maybe it's because, were all gonna die"

Anie Christian: "AC wanted, to be a big star, so she moved to Atlanta, and bought a blue car"

Sexuality "You don't need no money, u don't need no clothes"

neutral great songs but MATURE LYRICS?? (with the eception of WDC)
[Edited 9/21/05 12:26pm]



This is one of the weakest arguments I've ever read at The Org.

When Doves Cry: You took one single sentence that wasn't even a part of the whole line. You just conveniently edited out the part where the line becomes meaningful.

Alphabet St.: This song isn't meant to be mature, it's meant to be fun. It's also incredibly original, in that "Alphabet St." isn't what it appears to mean when you hear the title. This is a terrible excuse to defend a serious political song like Dear Mr. Man. There's no fair lyrical comparison possible here.

Annie Christian: This song has very clever lyrics. "Annie Christian, Annie Christ. Until you're crucified, I'll live my life in taxi cabs." But did I ever say it was incredibly mature? Another silly example on your part.

Sexuality: Once again, I never mentioned this song as being mature. Another stupid example. And once again, comparing its lyrics to that of a political song about the state of the world is ridiculous.

These are all convenient examples to make it look like Prince has and always will be at the same level of maturity in his lyricism.

It's not true at all.

Sign 'O' The Times' lyrics are incredibly mature and thought provoking; ten times moreso than Dear Mr. Man.


U put up a good fight and i accept your point,... but i still disagree about Dear Mr. Man. wink
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Reply #17 posted 09/21/05 1:12pm

PurpleKnight

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Well, if you're supposed to be stupid...
The world is a comedy for those who think and a tragedy for those who feel.

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Reply #18 posted 09/21/05 1:12pm

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AlphabetST1977 said:

I have to agree with The Golden Glove dude .....

Call My Name is a top class tune , i know a few non Prince fans who love that tune .

Musicology the single gets better everytime i hear it lol

& Reflection etc are some really decent tunes .

I will agree that it aint as strong as some ,it could actually do with a couple of The Chocolate Invasian tracks ..... this is a much stronger album with about 6 standout tracks from only 10 tunes BUT i would say that CMN & MUSICOLOGY are standouts IMO wink


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Reply #19 posted 09/21/05 1:13pm

GoldenGlove

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PurpleKnight said:

Well, if you're supposed to be stupid...


elaborate... confused
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Reply #20 posted 09/21/05 1:13pm

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Musicology has no really weak songs, and also no stand out songs I agree.
Except for 'Reflection', it gives me that special [i]Prince feeling and
I always put it on Prince-compilation cd's I make for other people as the last song.
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Reply #21 posted 09/21/05 1:17pm

PurpleKnight

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GoldenGlove said:

PurpleKnight said:

Well, if you're supposed to be stupid...


elaborate... confused


lol

It's a joke. Look at Mario's sig.
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Reply #22 posted 09/21/05 1:18pm

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I truly love Reflection. I may be alone, but that track really touches me because it's kind of like Prince coming to terms with getting older for the first time.

i really love the way it's so understated too. The way it ends is just brilliant.

Sometimes I just wanna go sit out on the stoop and play my guitar... watch all the cars go by....

I just love that.
I'm testing postive 4 the funk
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Reply #23 posted 09/21/05 1:23pm

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PurpleKnight said:

GoldenGlove said:



elaborate... confused


lol

It's a joke. Look at Mario's sig.


Oh right... gotcha! falloff
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Reply #24 posted 09/21/05 2:09pm

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GoldenGlove said:

PurpleKnight said:



lol

It's a joke. Look at Mario's sig.


Oh right... gotcha! falloff

lol
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Reply #25 posted 09/21/05 2:19pm

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I have really grown to nearly despise this album. It's a fraud.
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Reply #26 posted 09/21/05 2:43pm

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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

I have really grown to nearly despise this album. It's a fraud.

I feel the same way. It hasnt touched the inside of any cd player that I own in a year! neutral
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Reply #27 posted 09/21/05 2:46pm

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dreamfactory313 said:

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

I have really grown to nearly despise this album. It's a fraud.

I feel the same way. It hasnt touched the inside of any cd player that I own in a year! neutral

I probably haven't listened to it for about as long nod
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Reply #28 posted 09/21/05 2:54pm

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PurpleKnight said:

I'm not here to talk about the album as a whole. It's decent.

It has no truly special songs on it though. It has no real stand outs that can stand on their own and remind you that Prince is a genius.

Even his seemingly least popular albums seem to have had one or two stunners that caught people's ears and stood out as special gems amongst hardcore fans.

For You-Crazy You, Baby
Batman-Scandalous, Electric Chair
Graffiti Bridge-Joy In Repetition, The Question Of U
Diamonds and Pearls-Cream, Insatiable
prince-Damn U, 7, And God Created Woman
Come-Pheromone, Solo, Dark
Chaos and Disorder-Dinner With Delores, Into The Light/I Will
Emancipation-The Love We Make, Soul Sanctuary, etc.
NewPower Soul-Come On, Wasted Kisses, The One
Rave-I Love U But I Don't Trust U Anymore
TRC-The Sensual Everafter, Everlasting Now, Last December

If I'm slightly off with one of the songs I listed or forgot to mention, I'm sorry. You get the idea though.


What does Musicology have? It's consistent, but not one song on it is original sounding or especially creative. Not one will ever be a fan fave or even considered special.

BTW I didn't include NEWS cause it's just not a really fair comparison. I'm talking about all his conventional albums where he actually sang.

[Edited 9/21/05 12:00pm]


You're right about the fact there are no real stand out songs on the album.
Maybe I,C,P,C or WDUWM2D or Million Days stand out a little.

But it's a fact that it must be difficult after 28 years
and 20-something albums 2 put out something that
"doesn't sound like"or "reminds us of..."

WDUWM2D reminds people of Ballad Of DP
Million Days refers to Dolphin

The Stones also still sounds like The Stones and I could swear I've
heard their new song be4.But is that bad?
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Reply #29 posted 09/21/05 2:56pm

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Paisley4u said:


But it's a fact that it must be difficult after 28 years
and 20-something albums 2 put out something that
"doesn't sound like"or "reminds us of..."

WDUWM2D reminds people of Ballad Of DP
Million Days refers to Dolphin

The Stones also still sounds like The Stones and I could swear I've
heard their new song be4.But is that bad?


But when a song just sounds like a boring, obvious retread of a past song, that's when it's definitely a problem.
The world is a comedy for those who think and a tragedy for those who feel.

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