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Aerogram said: Dear Jack and Sky,
I have read your debate with great interest and wish to congratulate you both on the depth of your respective positions. Having heard both sides, it has dawned on me that you are both right. How so, you ask? Like so many things, eclectism can be judged at least two ways : quantity and quality. If the goal is to cram as many styles, genres and subgenres as possible in a single album, then it could well be that Jack is right and The White Album is the most eclectic. In terms of the quality of the eclecticism however, it could be that Skywalker is right and that Prince has better explored the most styles in a single album. I trust this will sound reasonable to you. In the event you still do not agree, please free to take part in a spitting contest of some sort. Sincerely, Aerogram You little peace maker you. I can easily agree to this. Point is-there is a good argument that "Sign O' The Times" is the best at summing up pop music up to the year it was made. Back to the original topic--is it overrated. Hell no. "New Power slide...." |
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jacktheimprovident said: skywalker said: Um, no it does. Basically ignoring the soul/R&B/funk genres of music makes the White Album less diverse than "SOTT".
Um not really. first of all, "Funk" was only in its embryonic stages when The white Album came out, James and Sly were just about the only people making music that could be considered "funk" in the strictest sense, and Funk is a very narrow category of music, it being an outgrowth/subcategory of Soul, which is itself a subgenre of R&R/R&B. Secondly, I think it's debatable whether or not there's no Soul/R&B on the White Album. Do-wop, after all, is a style of R&B, and that's represented in part by happiness is a warm gun, and there are few groove-driven borderline funk numbers like why don't we do it in the road, savoy truffle. The White album has songs that are completely off the Rock/R&B radar as well, which certainly isn't true of SOTT. Here's the way I categorize the songs on SOTT Sign O' The Times-Funk Play In The Sunshine-pop rock, with elements of funk, rockabilly, hard rock Housequake-Dance Funk The Ballad of Dorothy Parker-Jazzy Funk noir (not actually jazz-funk/fusion though) It-Sort of a dark, acid-rock Starfish And Coffee-Psychedelic pop Slow Love-Soul Hot Thing-Heavy Funk U Got the Look-Funky Rock If I Was your girlfriend-funky soul Strange Relationship-indian/psychedelic pop I could never take the place of your man-pop rock, somewhat jazzy breakdown The Cross-Rock Power Ballad It's gonna be a beautiful night-Big Band Funk Adore-Soul again, this is a great range, but it's significantly narrower thant the white album.  | |
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Cloudbuster----
as I said before.....this is simply an example of (Jack) categorizing songs as (he sees) fit (just like [he] did with "the White album").(He is)just shoving things into the boxes that are convenient to (his)argument. One could easily call "The Cross" a gospel song. Same with "Forver in my life" which wasn't even mentioned. I'll agree to disagree with both of you and end with something someone else has already said: "Like so many things, eclectism can be judged at least two ways : quantity and quality. If the goal is to cram as many styles, genres and subgenres as possible in a single album, then it could well be that Jack is right and The White Album is the most eclectic. In terms of the quality of the eclecticism however, it could be that Skywalker is right and that Prince has better explored the most styles in a single album." "New Power slide...." |
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purplecam said: GustavoRibas said: Some people hate long thread discussions....but I learned something from this one, and I am curious to listen to the White album because of it.
Me too. I don't own any Beatles albums but this was always one that peaked my interest. The "White Album" is one that I always wanted to check out and finally bought it last year. It's also the only Beatles album I own. I was pissed because the song "Revolution" was not the ever popular hard rock version that is played on the radio all the time. I didn't like the album version of this song at all. There are some tracks I like on this album but there are also some that I don't like. My next Beatles album is going to be the greatest hits one that I used to see advertised on television all the time. . . [Edited 9/27/05 7:00am] Andy is a four letter word. | |
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vainandy said: The "White Album" is one that I always wanted to check out and finally bought it last year. It's also the only Beatles album I own. I was pissed because the song "Revolution" was not the ever popular hard rock version that is played on the radio all the time. I didn't like the album version of this song at all. There are some tracks I like on this album but there are also some that I don't like. My next Beatles album is going to be the greatest hits one that I used to see advertised on television all the time. . . [Edited 9/27/05 7:00am] Try out the 'Sgt. Pepper' album first. It has a greater flow. ----- I remember sitting on the roof listening to the vinyl of 'S"O"TT' and thinking that, perhaps, Prince had landed on Earth in 1977 to conquer the world of popular music. I don't think that it is overrated at all. ('Speakerboxx/The Love Below' is) Schöne Grüße  "Whatever skin we're in
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