Anxiety + Cloudbuster---

"Where's the punk on SOTT?"

Please tell me you are not gonna try to convince me that there is anything that can really be called "punk" on "the white album".

skywalker said:

Birthday?

Everybody's Got Something To Hide Except Me And My Monkey?

Uhhhh.....no. I'd say the very earliest song you could try to trace punk to is "Kick Out The Jams" by the MC5.

Cloudbuster said:

Uhhhh.....no. I'd say the very earliest song you could try to trace punk to is "Kick Out The Jams" by the MC5.

renfield said:

But "Kick Out the Jams" and the White Album were recorded in the same exact year, weren't they? 1968.

minneapolisgenius said:

You might be right, actually.

Cloudbuster said:

Of course I'm right. Am I ever wrong?

minneapolisgenius said:

Cloudbuster said:

minneapolisgenius said:

Oh, shut the feck up.

You spelled fuck wrong.

minneapolisgenius said:

Fuck off!

You love me and you know it.

minneapolisgenius said:

You know I do.


I gotta shoot now, too. So see you around and take care.

debbiedean2 said:

VAINANDY I COULDN'T HAVE SAID IT ANY BETTER! I, HIS LONG TIME FANS SINCE SOFT & WET, WAS SOMEWHAT EMBARRASSED WHEN THAT ALBUM CAME OUT. THIS ALBUM CONTAINED TOO MANY GENRES. ONLY 3 SONGS ON THIS DOUBLE ALBUM I LIKE ADORE, SLOW LOVE AND SOTT(WHICH IS ONE OF MY ALL TIME FAVORITE). THIS ALBUM IS A MAJOR DISAPPOINTMENT IN MY BOOK AND THAT'S WHY I DON'T OWN IT AND HAVE NO DESIRE TO PURCHASE

I...preferred an album less diverse full of futuristic funk....most definately.

To many people, the versatility is a turnoff and beginning with "Around The World In A Day", many of these people showed their dissatisfaction by dropping Prince.

jacktheimprovident + BT11 :

Listen, obviously I'm not gonna convince you two if you think that "obladi oblada" is ska, "Helter Skelter" is heavy metal, "rocky racoon" is country and that "Contusion" is straight up rock then we have entirely different definitions of genres and their sounds.

Ask yourselves this: When were The Beatles ever heralded for their achievments in "funk/r&b/dance" music? When was Stevie ever held up as being a "rock musician"? Neither of those two straddled the worlds of music as successfully or as much as Prince. For cryin' out loud--damn near every music critic would agree with that statement.

jacktheimprovident- you say you are tired of hearing "no one does as many genres as well as prince". Guess what? It's not just Prince fans who say that. Music critics and life long/respected/world reknown musicians alike are constantly holding up Prince as one of the best ever at successfully blending genres. Don't take my word for it-ask Kurt Loder, ask Robert Plant, ask Miles Davis, ask George Clinton, ask Jon Bream, ask Alan Light, ask Alan Leeds, ask Eric Clapton, ask Lenny Kravitz. These folks have all been quoted as to being impressed and amazed with how much range his has musically.

You seem to think that "only Prince fans view Prince as THE great genre blender" but few musicians (Definitely not Stevie nor The Beatles) have crossed over the R&B and rock lines as successfully and as many times as Prince. Look at the charts. How many R&B hits did The Beatles ever have that charted? Hell, The Stones are WAY more R&B, bluesy, and funky than The Beatles ever hoped to be. Is Stevie Wonder a "rock musician"??? No way. If you had to classify him no one would ever classify Stevie as a "rock" musician. Not because the color of his skin, but because STEVIE'S MUSIC IS NOT ROCK.

Am I saying that Stevie and The Beatles aren't as good as Prince? Hell no. If you told me that you liked them more-I wouldn't argue with you. However, I think you are quite dimissive of what Prince has done and you try to back your argument with the usual "PRince fans are blinded to other music" line. It's a lame excuse and not even the most ardent knowledgeable music critic would agree with you, let alone Prince fans.

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everytime i'm listening " sign o the times "
i think :well,its an ok album but no way it is his best ever album.

he had better songs before and after sign o the times album.

he played better guitar before and after sign o the times.

he did nothing new on that album.i find it to be pretty conventional.

most of the songs sound dated.

there are few standout tracks like :sign o the times if i was your girlfriend,ballad of dorothy parker,the cross,adore.

but a lot of fillers like play in the sunshine,it,forever inmy life.
i mean i like that album,i enjoy listening to songs on it.
but
to say it's the best ever by prince???
the rainbow children kick sign o the time's ass,thats for sure.

Thank you. I finally got around to liking all the tracks on the album but would I have preferred an album less diverse full of futuristic funk....most definately.

Yes, Prince was versitile since the very beginning but he was not nearly as versitile as he later became. When Prince was known only in the R&B world, there were rock tracks on the albums but the main tracks that were played on the radio were the funk ones and the slow jams, with the exception of maybe "Why You Wanna Treat Me So Bad". I have no problem with rock tracks, though because I like rock music also. However, I extremely dislike folk music and I absolutely hate classical music so when Prince started using an orchestra in albums like "Parade", that really pissed me off.

A lot of people that love "Sign O The Times" love it because of it's versitility and they can't understand why there are others that don't love it. They just can't seem to understand that there are people that exist out there that don't view versatility as such an almight "great" thing. To many people, the versatility is a turnoff and beginning with "Around The World In A Day", many of these people showed their dissatisfaction by dropping Prince.

vainandy said:

the same "many" people who only jumped onto the Prince bandwagon beginning with Purple rain generally , ignore Purple Rain and Prince's album sales before it and for the next few years after it werent that different really . The fans he lost when he ventured onwards after Purple Rain have cloth ears if they cant see that Prince's music was just as funky after 1984 as it was before , sure he incorporated other musical styles but if they enjoyed the funk of Controversy and Dirty Mind then whats so off-putting about the funk of New Position , Kiss , Girls and Boys , was it really that big a musical leap to take .

Seeing as this is a thread all about trashing a classic album I'll say that I've heard The White Album , admittedly only cos I wanted to hear the original of "while My gutar gently weeps ", the album as a whole , whether it

encompasses lots of different musical styles or not , was pretty humdrum to me ,but then I've never heard any Beatles album and though it was anything spectactular , including Sgt peppers , give me Sign O The Times anyday . Its not remotely overrated , it is ,song for song , up there with any of Prince's or anyones best albums .It may not contain as some said his VERY BEST songs , but Rainbow Children sure as hell doesnt contain any either , Times is 100 times better than TRC .