murph said: BEAUGARDE said: This book paints an ugly picture of Prince and basically says that Prince doesn't have any talent other than stealing from his band members. If this is true then why didn't these so very talented band members have great careers! They all had/have solo careers. I wouldn't have stayed with a control freak when I could just go do it myself. If I remember correctly it said something about Prince not being able to write a rock songs or something like that. Does anyone believe that? This man didn't write 1 good word about Prince. He seemed 2 hate all of Prince's albums. This book is very negative and full of gossip and the writer's personal opinion on Prince and his music.
Which book were you reading? Yeah what book were you reading? Possesed had a lot of information that was good and I didnt walk away with anything but a rounded opinion of the dude. None of those people that bellyached had to stay there so there must have been a reason that many of them did and Hahn seemed to get very personal stories from a lot of people close to the man himself. I can't recommend the book enough if you want to know the truth about someone like Prince. HEs not going to tell it so someone has to! | |
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zennabell said: What are peoples thoughts on the book Possessed the rise and fall of Prince by Alex Hahn?
I doesn't paint a very nice picture of the guy. A brilliant read. The reviews of Albums are mostly spot on. But is Prince really a Cocaine using anti semitic control freak? A control freak of course, but a cocain user & an antisemitic??? I know i have 2 read this damn book but until then... could u give me a clue about what it says about Prince being a cocain user & an antisemitic? I can believe the man has a dark side, cheated on women while being possessive in the same time, took ecstasy once with Ingrid, drank 2 much wine sometimes, behaved like a paranoid sucker with people who loved him, took musical ideas from others without crediting them, etc... but THIS goes against everything Prince ever said or anything i read in "DMSR" or Liz Allen's book. [Edited 10/8/05 16:04pm] | |
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DiamondGirl said: madhouseman said: I don't remember anything like that and I've read it twice. I think that Prince does grab ideas from the jam sessions, but Alex was a fan, is a fan, and will be a fan. Some of the things that were talking about Prince were negative, but many of them were said by his associates. Rosie's story isn't always nice and pleasant, but she deserves to be heard and not censured. To think that an entire career is going to be nothing but nice-nice and cotton candy is just wishful. Prince is an artist. I don't know if you realize this, but artists generally have a twisted life and that passion often comes out in their work. For the most part, the book is fairly true. I know because I have had some of these conversations with people that were there. Not one good word about him? Wow. I don't know what book you read, but the first line on the dust cover says "The inside story of the most talented musician of his generation..." Quotes inside include pg 57 Cavallo saying that Prince's music output had "a direct line to heaven". pg. 52-53 are full of praise for 1999 pg. 67 is an entire lovefest for the Purple Rain album pg 111 comparing Adore to "the best of Al Green" Yes there are some things that he didn't like, but to write it off as a negative look is unfortunate. I congratulate Alex for creating a book about Prince at a time that he KNEW it wouldn't sell very well. That is writing about a subject that is close to one's heart. It's all negative for the most part post year 1990 and all talk about his character is negative. Which is bullshit. Nobody is "mean" 24/7. Hahn forgets to add any semblance of goodheartedness which Prince has displayed. But thgat wouldnt make good copy now would it? I agree with you, DiamondGirl. Alex's book is mostly negative tabloidish crap. | |
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Well, I hadn't read much about Prince before Possessed so I found it pretty useful. The negative aspects didn't bug me so much 'cause I happen to believe most of it. If you are inclined to be less tolerant of anything bad about Prince it's probably not the book for you. | |
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I read the book and generally its a less than rosy portrayal of Prince. He is critical of the man and his later work, but does praise his material up to sign. Despite the fact it divides his career into Rise and Fall, its a product of its time. Its Pre one nite alone and musicology, both tours, records that have arrested this decline.
Alex is probably a person who became disenchanted with Prince, like a lot of us during the Symbol period. What I like. 1. Generally accurate coverage of his career and life. 2. Appears hes listened to most albums. 3. Good repository of facts. 4. Accurate. What I don't like 5. Writing it in a epitaph style, like P has artistically died 6. Drug allegations (all crap) 7. Alcoholism (yea right) 8. Open season on Apollonias, Maytes etc. 9. Portrayal of Prince as an unstable person. So overall I liked it, as I read it during a period where my interest in Prince was at a low. The best book is Prince, a pop life by Dave Hill. Although its severely out of date now. 17 Years ago I made a commitment to Prince | |
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Anxiety said: read DMSR instead. it's a much better read, and you actually learn stuff that's true and makes you appreciate the music even more.
I agree its deals more in depth with his early career and albums, and portrays Prince as a real person. The pictures are funny too, especially the one of Prince with afro throwing his leg and arms out. 17 Years ago I made a commitment to Prince | |
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To tell you the truth I buy these books and Don't read them! WHY? Well, I would rather Not Read HEARSAY. I think the only book one needs to read is Prince's Music. You know when Prince writes a book That will B the One to Read. I kinda look at stuff and say..Yeah..So What! Just the way it is. I don't really want to read anything that is NOT What I have SEEN or KNOW about PRINCE. Even if it is True,I would Always want to know The Good and Yes, I'm the Type who could Cover it or Just Not ACKNOWLEDGE IT! I may be a Fool But I just Will Never Believe the stuff. Unless, someone tells you firsthand or you witness yourself and ANYWAY...WHO Wants an ANGEL or PERFECT? You want TRUTH! You want a REAL Person. Everyone has their Moods/their days. A person such as Prince who is STRIVING for Perfection in his Craft has Got To Be Tough and DISCIPLINED. As far as his being an ARTIST /PERSONALITY of Course he will be Unlike the AVERAGE Joe and one might Perceive that as WEIRD/STRANGE. Quirks and stuff make him UNIQUE. This is Why Fans Love Michael Jackson/Prince whomever. Some say but he did this and that and he acts this and that and he's IMPOSSIBLE. I just say if You Cannot deal with His Ways...LEAVE! I myself could Never put up with Certain things. I would tell the person and be honest and well, if it couldn't be it couldn't be. Getting on a Person's Nerves well just Leave. Why put up with Crazy Stuff if it Bothers you? Never be a DOORMat.Or Desperate. that Kevin Smith waiting Around for phonecalls is a Fool. How can you just Hang around on Call? I would be Screaming ... I know the deal but if a person wants to do something why do it that way? Get Cracking. It's like a Bunch Of DimWits who don't have any Balls . Some of Prince's Security and some people who worked for him told me some STUPID Shit when I was in Minneapolis and I just walked away. I cannot understand why they work for him and they would say foolish things. It was underlings not the BIGGIES. But I say if You Think he's WEIRD then you Shouldn't be working for him. It's Inappropriate. I like Jim Bream but I can't get him cause he Complains with Prince also. The only thing that ticks me about Prince is all that FOOLISH WAITING and Sometimes SECURITY at the VENUES SUCK! He Needed an AMERICAN Like Me a Big fan to tell him what some Europeans just are TOO SCARED to say. Why leave? So his Business Deals were sucking way back/unorganized. I also Don't Understand What Harm having Fanzines or Fanclubs present. It was STUPID to get rid of them with Lawsuits. All they wanted to do was PROMOTE YOU. Plus,fans will never Understand that Prince himself is like a BIG CELEBRITY GROUPIE. He Loves It! He is just Cool and Different and People cannot get the MISUNDERSTOOD GENIUS. I think it's time to get OVER It!!! | |
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Zelaira said: To tell you the truth I buy these books and Don't read them! WHY? Well, I would rather Not Read HEARSAY. I think the only book one needs to read is Prince's Music. You know when Prince writes a book That will B the One to Read. I kinda look at stuff and say..Yeah..So What! Just the way it is. I don't really want to read anything that is NOT What I have SEEN or KNOW about PRINCE. Even if it is True,I would Always want to know The Good and Yes, I'm the Type who could Cover it or Just Not ACKNOWLEDGE IT! I may be a Fool But I just Will Never Believe the stuff. Unless, someone tells you firsthand or you witness yourself and ANYWAY...WHO Wants an ANGEL or PERFECT? You want TRUTH! You want a REAL Person. Everyone has their Moods/their days. A person such as Prince who is STRIVING for Perfection in his Craft has Got To Be Tough and DISCIPLINED. As far as his being an ARTIST /PERSONALITY of Course he will be Unlike the AVERAGE Joe and one might Perceive that as WEIRD/STRANGE. Quirks and stuff make him UNIQUE. This is Why Fans Love Michael Jackson/Prince whomever. Some say but he did this and that and he acts this and that and he's IMPOSSIBLE. I just say if You Cannot deal with His Ways...LEAVE! I myself could Never put up with Certain things. I would tell the person and be honest and well, if it couldn't be it couldn't be. Getting on a Person's Nerves well just Leave. Why put up with Crazy Stuff if it Bothers you? Never be a DOORMat.Or Desperate. that Kevin Smith waiting Around for phonecalls is a Fool. How can you just Hang around on Call? I would be Screaming ... I know the deal but if a person wants to do something why do it that way? Get Cracking. It's like a Bunch Of DimWits who don't have any Balls . Some of Prince's Security and some people who worked for him told me some STUPID Shit when I was in Minneapolis and I just walked away. I cannot understand why they work for him and they would say foolish things. It was underlings not the BIGGIES. But I say if You Think he's WEIRD then you Shouldn't be working for him. It's Inappropriate. I like Jim Bream but I can't get him cause he Complains with Prince also. The only thing that ticks me about Prince is all that FOOLISH WAITING and Sometimes SECURITY at the VENUES SUCK! He Needed an AMERICAN Like Me a Big fan to tell him what some Europeans just are TOO SCARED to say. Why leave? So his Business Deals were sucking way back/unorganized. I also Don't Understand What Harm having Fanzines or Fanclubs present. It was STUPID to get rid of them with Lawsuits. All they wanted to do was PROMOTE YOU. Plus,fans will never Understand that Prince himself is like a BIG CELEBRITY GROUPIE. He Loves It! He is just Cool and Different and People cannot get the MISUNDERSTOOD GENIUS. I think it's time to get OVER It!!!
Yeah, she tells it like it! 17 Years ago I made a commitment to Prince | |
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tane1976 said: Zelaira said: To tell you the truth I buy these books and Don't read them! WHY? Well, I would rather Not Read HEARSAY. I think the only book one needs to read is Prince's Music. You know when Prince writes a book That will B the One to Read. I kinda look at stuff and say..Yeah..So What! Just the way it is. I don't really want to read anything that is NOT What I have SEEN or KNOW about PRINCE. Even if it is True,I would Always want to know The Good and Yes, I'm the Type who could Cover it or Just Not ACKNOWLEDGE IT! I may be a Fool But I just Will Never Believe the stuff. Unless, someone tells you firsthand or you witness yourself and ANYWAY...WHO Wants an ANGEL or PERFECT? You want TRUTH! You want a REAL Person. Everyone has their Moods/their days. A person such as Prince who is STRIVING for Perfection in his Craft has Got To Be Tough and DISCIPLINED. As far as his being an ARTIST /PERSONALITY of Course he will be Unlike the AVERAGE Joe and one might Perceive that as WEIRD/STRANGE. Quirks and stuff make him UNIQUE. This is Why Fans Love Michael Jackson/Prince whomever. Some say but he did this and that and he acts this and that and he's IMPOSSIBLE. I just say if You Cannot deal with His Ways...LEAVE! I myself could Never put up with Certain things. I would tell the person and be honest and well, if it couldn't be it couldn't be. Getting on a Person's Nerves well just Leave. Why put up with Crazy Stuff if it Bothers you? Never be a DOORMat.Or Desperate. that Kevin Smith waiting Around for phonecalls is a Fool. How can you just Hang around on Call? I would be Screaming ... I know the deal but if a person wants to do something why do it that way? Get Cracking. It's like a Bunch Of DimWits who don't have any Balls . Some of Prince's Security and some people who worked for him told me some STUPID Shit when I was in Minneapolis and I just walked away. I cannot understand why they work for him and they would say foolish things. It was underlings not the BIGGIES. But I say if You Think he's WEIRD then you Shouldn't be working for him. It's Inappropriate. I like Jim Bream but I can't get him cause he Complains with Prince also. The only thing that ticks me about Prince is all that FOOLISH WAITING and Sometimes SECURITY at the VENUES SUCK! He Needed an AMERICAN Like Me a Big fan to tell him what some Europeans just are TOO SCARED to say. Why leave? So his Business Deals were sucking way back/unorganized. I also Don't Understand What Harm having Fanzines or Fanclubs present. It was STUPID to get rid of them with Lawsuits. All they wanted to do was PROMOTE YOU. Plus,fans will never Understand that Prince himself is like a BIG CELEBRITY GROUPIE. He Loves It! He is just Cool and Different and People cannot get the MISUNDERSTOOD GENIUS. I think it's time to get OVER It!!!
Yeah, she tells it like it! hahahaha. I have no idea what she is saying. It jumps around and doesnt make any sense but it sounds like a little proof reading and editing would help. | |
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