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Thread started 09/04/05 5:22am

GoldenGlove

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There is only ONE thing that MJ can do better (jokes aside)

Prince is a better, Songwriter, Dancer, Per4mer, Instrumentalist, Actor etc..

But the one thing that MJ does better is sing, listen too his voice on "She's out of my life" or "Will you be there" "Rock With You" and many more.

Prince is WAY better overall... but as a VOCALIST, u can't deny MJ.
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Reply #1 posted 09/04/05 5:45am

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Prince is a better actor? Damnit, I didn't know that!
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Reply #2 posted 09/04/05 6:45am

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MJ's acting in Moonwalker is better than Prince's in Purple Rain. It's quite an enjoyable and funny performance, plus his acting in Ghosts is good too. Performance wise I would say they were equal, MJ between 1969 - 1988 was just as good as Prince, if not better.

Prince is a jack of all trades but a master of none.
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Reply #3 posted 09/04/05 6:58am

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GoldenGlove said:

Prince is a better...Dancer


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Reply #4 posted 09/04/05 8:49am

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Prince is NOT a better dancer!
"Man, the living creature, the creating individual, is always more important than any established style or system" - Bruce Lee
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Reply #5 posted 09/04/05 9:20am

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GoldenGlove said:

Prince is a better, Songwriter, Dancer, Per4mer, Instrumentalist, Actor etc..

But the one thing that MJ does better is sing, listen too his voice on "She's out of my life" or "Will you be there" "Rock With You" and many more.

Prince is WAY better overall... but as a VOCALIST, u can't deny MJ.

GG I agree with you on everything but the dancing. If you asked Michael to duplicate Prince's dance steps, He could do them, no problem. However, if you asked Prince to duplicate Michael? Well, My guess is that Prince may be able to do them, But they'd only be half as good, if even that. When it comes to singing, it's about even.
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Reply #6 posted 09/04/05 11:20am

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mj sings better..acts better and dances better.

and im almost there to say he is a better producer.
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Reply #7 posted 09/04/05 11:36am

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I still say that it's a bit apples and oranges, but here's my two yen's worth.

Michael Jackson has the more powerful voice, but Prince has the most versatile.

Prince's dancing comes across as more natural and far less choreographed than MJ's, but Michael's moves are visually more stunning (but come across as endlessly rehearsed).

Michael Jackson clearly has a better knowledge of how to create a commercially successful song. Whether or not that's a plus or a minus is up to the individual listener.

Prince produces himself perfectly and his music is spoiled when others have a hand in production. Michael knows just which producers to use in order to create his brand of perfection.

Prince is a musician first and a pop star second, MJ is a pop star first and a musician second.

Nope, still apples and oranges.
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Reply #8 posted 09/04/05 11:49am

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Prince is not a better dancer-he can dance but hes not better.
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Reply #9 posted 09/04/05 12:21pm

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GoldenGlove said:

Prince is a better, Songwriter, Dancer, Per4mer, Instrumentalist, Actor etc..

But the one thing that MJ does better is sing, listen too his voice on "She's out of my life" or "Will you be there" "Rock With You" and many more.

Prince is WAY better overall... but as a VOCALIST, u can't deny MJ.


Hey, I understand this nis a Prince site and I'm riding with Prince all day (I'm an olschool MJ fan), but to say that Prince is a better dancer than Mj is laughable and it shows that some Prince fans can be as nuts as Mike fans....
[Edited 9/4/05 12:27pm]
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Reply #10 posted 09/04/05 12:24pm

QuakeXLE

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Prince is a jack of all trades but a master of none.

Meh....

I really don't agree with this statement.

When your song writing skills and abilty to play guitar has been compared favorably to some of the greatest musicians/ composers of all time... I'ld have to say that qualifies you as a master of at least a couple of things. Though he is still a jack of all trades, he is a prolific song writer and guitarist. Additionally in this aspect... MJ isnt even in Prince's league.

MJ, IMO, is a superior dancer and actor to Prince. Singing ability is a toss up on what you would qualify as better... MJ's command of his vocal range is superior... but Prince has superior vocal range.

I'ld give the edge of producing to Prince. MJ has done some nice production work but some of his most notable music was produced by others. Prince well... we know who and only who produces Prince.

Stage presence is another eye of the beholder type of thing... but i will give the edge to MJ... with hesitation... only because he caters to a 'pop' audiance, while Prince caters his shows to himself and sometimes his fans.
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Reply #11 posted 09/04/05 12:36pm

LightOfArt

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but Prince has superior vocal range.


no he doesnt. Prince can not go as high as MJ without breaking into falsetto.

and MJ has lower register too, but he doesnt use it as much as he's more used to the higher range since he's a child singer. There's a tape of him singing bass!
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Reply #12 posted 09/04/05 12:47pm

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LightOfArt said:

QuakeXLE said:

but Prince has superior vocal range.


no he doesnt. Prince can not go as high as MJ without breaking into falsetto.

and MJ has lower register too, but he doesnt use it as much as he's more used to the higher range since he's a child singer. There's a tape of him singing bass!


ill agree..but prince, during the revolution days, had a better grasp of his emotional presentation...he could tell a story not just with his lyrics but with his voice....

mj has never done this.
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Reply #13 posted 09/04/05 1:07pm

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Enigmoid said:

I still say that it's a bit apples and oranges, but here's my two yen's worth.

Michael Jackson has the more powerful voice, but Prince has the most versatile.

Prince's dancing comes across as more natural and far less choreographed than MJ's, but Michael's moves are visually more stunning (but come across as endlessly rehearsed).

Michael Jackson clearly has a better knowledge of how to create a commercially successful song. Whether or not that's a plus or a minus is up to the individual listener.

Prince produces himself perfectly and his music is spoiled when others have a hand in production. Michael knows just which producers to use in order to create his brand of perfection.

Prince is a musician first and a pop star second, MJ is a pop star first and a musician second.

Nope, still apples and oranges.


I guess that sums it up! biggrin
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Reply #14 posted 09/04/05 1:10pm

MadameS

murph said:

GoldenGlove said:

Prince is a better, Songwriter, Dancer, Per4mer, Instrumentalist, Actor etc..

But the one thing that MJ does better is sing, listen too his voice on "She's out of my life" or "Will you be there" "Rock With You" and many more.

Prince is WAY better overall... but as a VOCALIST, u can't deny MJ.


Hey, I understand this nis a Prince site and I'm riding with Prince all day (I'm an olschool MJ fan), but to say that Prince is a better dancer than Mj is laughable and it shows that some Prince fans can be as nuts as Mike fans....
[Edited 9/4/05 12:27pm]

hmmm You have a point.
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Reply #15 posted 09/04/05 2:18pm

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LightOfArt said:

QuakeXLE said:

but Prince has superior vocal range.


no he doesnt. Prince can not go as high as MJ without breaking into falsetto.

and MJ has lower register too, but he doesnt use it as much as he's more used to the higher range since he's a child singer. There's a tape of him singing bass!


where did MJ sing bass? I've heard glimpses of his lower register before, but I'd like to know what you're referring to.
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Reply #16 posted 09/04/05 2:19pm

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QuakeXLE said:

SEXYMOFO said:

Prince is a jack of all trades but a master of none.

Meh....

I really don't agree with this statement.

When your song writing skills and abilty to play guitar has been compared favorably to some of the greatest musicians/ composers of all time... I'ld have to say that qualifies you as a master of at least a couple of things. Though he is still a jack of all trades, he is a prolific song writer and guitarist. Additionally in this aspect... MJ isnt even in Prince's league.

MJ, IMO, is a superior dancer and actor to Prince. Singing ability is a toss up on what you would qualify as better... MJ's command of his vocal range is superior... but Prince has superior vocal range.

I'ld give the edge of producing to Prince. MJ has done some nice production work but some of his most notable music was produced by others. Prince well... we know who and only who produces Prince.

Stage presence is another eye of the beholder type of thing... but i will give the edge to MJ... with hesitation... only because he caters to a 'pop' audiance, while Prince caters his shows to himself and sometimes his fans.


Prince's guitar playing on this forum is highly overated. He is not one of the all time great guitarists like some of you claim, there's tons that are better than him. Let me ask you, has he ever written a classic riff? Wendy wrote the riff to Purple Rain, Let's Go Crazy has a good riff I'll give him that but apart from that there's not really much else. If he's so great why is the guitar usually so low in the mix in most of his songs. Another thing is that he is quite slow, he doesn't have to play super fast like Van Halen or Vai, but some speed wouldn't go amiss. Overall I'd say Prince's guitar playing is perhaps underated by most people but on this forum it is way overated.
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Reply #17 posted 09/04/05 3:27pm

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SEXYMOFO said:

QuakeXLE said:


Meh....

I really don't agree with this statement.

When your song writing skills and abilty to play guitar has been compared favorably to some of the greatest musicians/ composers of all time... I'ld have to say that qualifies you as a master of at least a couple of things. Though he is still a jack of all trades, he is a prolific song writer and guitarist. Additionally in this aspect... MJ isnt even in Prince's league.

MJ, IMO, is a superior dancer and actor to Prince. Singing ability is a toss up on what you would qualify as better... MJ's command of his vocal range is superior... but Prince has superior vocal range.

I'ld give the edge of producing to Prince. MJ has done some nice production work but some of his most notable music was produced by others. Prince well... we know who and only who produces Prince.

Stage presence is another eye of the beholder type of thing... but i will give the edge to MJ... with hesitation... only because he caters to a 'pop' audiance, while Prince caters his shows to himself and sometimes his fans.


Prince's guitar playing on this forum is highly overated. He is not one of the all time great guitarists like some of you claim, there's tons that are better than him. Let me ask you, has he ever written a classic riff? Wendy wrote the riff to Purple Rain, Let's Go Crazy has a good riff I'll give him that but apart from that there's not really much else. If he's so great why is the guitar usually so low in the mix in most of his songs. Another thing is that he is quite slow, he doesn't have to play super fast like Van Halen or Vai, but some speed wouldn't go amiss. Overall I'd say Prince's guitar playing is perhaps underated by most people but on this forum it is way overated.


Because guitar is just another of his instruments and he does not feel the need to show off and prove anything.
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Reply #18 posted 09/04/05 5:04pm

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Why the continued fascination with the whole Prince vs. MJ issue? Chris Rock said it best, "Prince won".
As they've gotten older, Prince has gained even more class and style, while MJ keeps morphing into an ever increasingly bad joke.
Prince's struggles with the music industry and his own demons has made him stronger, more mature, and if SST is any indication, far from over musically. MJ continues to blame his self-destruction on everyone but himself, sinking even deeper into a bizarre world of fantasy and denial.
Prince vs. MJ? That contest was over years ago.
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Reply #19 posted 09/04/05 5:09pm

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shygirl said:

Why the continued fascination with the whole Prince vs. MJ issue? Chris Rock said it best, "Prince won".
As they've gotten older, Prince has gained even more class and style, while MJ keeps morphing into an ever increasingly bad joke.
Prince's struggles with the music industry and his own demons has made him stronger, more mature, and if SST is any indication, far from over musically. MJ continues to blame his self-destruction on everyone but himself, sinking even deeper into a bizarre world of fantasy and denial.
Prince vs. MJ? That contest was over years ago.



there is no contest..thats why these types of threads will forever thrive..

why? because its all a matter of opinion..yours isnt any more important then mine....nor is mine yours...

so, these threads will continue to pop up.....forever. and ever....and ever...and ever... and ever... and ever...

im sorry, where was i?

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Reply #20 posted 09/04/05 5:58pm

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I'm a all out 4 life Prince fam and Mike. Prince is a good dancer, but I wouldn't say Prince is a better dancer than Mike. I think it's safe 2 say Mike is a better dancer by a short distance.
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Reply #21 posted 09/04/05 6:13pm

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calldapplwondery83 said:

SEXYMOFO said:



Prince's guitar playing on this forum is highly overated. He is not one of the all time great guitarists like some of you claim, there's tons that are better than him. Let me ask you, has he ever written a classic riff? Wendy wrote the riff to Purple Rain, Let's Go Crazy has a good riff I'll give him that but apart from that there's not really much else. If he's so great why is the guitar usually so low in the mix in most of his songs. Another thing is that he is quite slow, he doesn't have to play super fast like Van Halen or Vai, but some speed wouldn't go amiss. Overall I'd say Prince's guitar playing is perhaps underated by most people but on this forum it is way overated.


Because guitar is just another of his instruments and he does not feel the need to show off and prove anything.


MOFO, You have got to be on crack! Yes I agree with you that Prince's guitar playing on here is overrated sometimes but not by much, and is usually by fans that have no backround in music, much less guitar. What riff are you refering to in Purple Rain? The intro, which happens to be the chords to the song? Great so Wendy came up with it. No big deal. No one ever said that was some great guitar playing. Anyone can play that! There is no use in going into who is better than who and who is the greatest because it is all a matter of opinion and what you like, but dude when you have some seriously great guitar god's saying that Prince is the man, it's gotta be true. Let's Go Crazy is awesome as you stated but what about the intro to When Dove's Cry? What about 3 Chain's O Gold? Just My Imagination? Joy In Repetition? Have you ever even seen Prince live? And a he has wrote plenty of classic riffs. Why You Wanna Treat Me So Bad ICNTTPOYM Little Red Corvette. I just don't get where you are coming from when you say he is nowhere near the best. He may not be the best at blues, rock, jazz etc. but he covers all those genres and does them damn well. I would be interested to know who you consider to be WAY better than Prince because Eddie Van Halen and Steve Vai suck at rhythm and P would blow them out of the water. Furthermore, Vai and Eddie have never crossed genres like P has. Sorry for the rambling but I just don't get how you can say that P is not one of the all time great guitarists.
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Reply #22 posted 09/04/05 6:26pm

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SEXYMOFO said:

MJ's acting in Moonwalker is better than Prince's in Purple Rain. It's quite an enjoyable and funny performance, plus his acting in Ghosts is good too. Performance wise I would say they were equal, MJ between 1969 - 1988 was just as good as Prince, if not better.

Prince is a jack of all trades but a master of none.


I think Prince's acting came round and had gotten better in UTCM.
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Reply #23 posted 09/04/05 8:19pm

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RobDogg27 said:

calldapplwondery83 said:



Because guitar is just another of his instruments and he does not feel the need to show off and prove anything.


MOFO, You have got to be on crack! Yes I agree with you that Prince's guitar playing on here is overrated sometimes but not by much, and is usually by fans that have no backround in music, much less guitar. What riff are you refering to in Purple Rain? The intro, which happens to be the chords to the song? Great so Wendy came up with it. No big deal. No one ever said that was some great guitar playing. Anyone can play that! There is no use in going into who is better than who and who is the greatest because it is all a matter of opinion and what you like, but dude when you have some seriously great guitar god's saying that Prince is the man, it's gotta be true. Let's Go Crazy is awesome as you stated but what about the intro to When Dove's Cry? What about 3 Chain's O Gold? Just My Imagination? Joy In Repetition? Have you ever even seen Prince live? And a he has wrote plenty of classic riffs. Why You Wanna Treat Me So Bad ICNTTPOYM Little Red Corvette. I just don't get where you are coming from when you say he is nowhere near the best. He may not be the best at blues, rock, jazz etc. but he covers all those genres and does them damn well. I would be interested to know who you consider to be WAY better than Prince because Eddie Van Halen and Steve Vai suck at rhythm and P would blow them out of the water. Furthermore, Vai and Eddie have never crossed genres like P has. Sorry for the rambling but I just don't get how you can say that P is not one of the all time great guitarists.


there is a big difference between playing good and creating a memorable guitar riff.....i think wendy will go down in history for purple rain and her "my favorite mistake" riffs. IMHO....
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Reply #24 posted 09/04/05 8:30pm

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I really can't stomach anymore of this Michael Jackson jibberish
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Reply #25 posted 09/04/05 8:34pm

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Rinluv said:


I think Prince's acting came round and had gotten better in UTCM.


I think Morris Day is a much better actor and Prince looks better when he's not surronded by better actors.
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lilgish said:

Rinluv said:


I think Prince's acting came round and had gotten better in UTCM.


I think Morris Day is a much better actor and Prince looks better when he's not surronded by better actors.



kinda like steven seagel?


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Reply #27 posted 09/05/05 1:20am

LightOfArt

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where did MJ sing bass? I've heard glimpses of his lower register before, but I'd like to know what you're referring to.


That's a part of the Seth Riggs(his vocal coach) interview
http://s45.yousendit.com/...U2027ST2T6 (370KB)

sosgemini said


ill agree..but prince, during the revolution days, had a better grasp of his emotional presentation...he could tell a story not just with his lyrics but with his voice....

mj has never done this.


hey sos wave

well the whole "I feel his soul" thing is personal opinion imo.

Even when MJ was 10 year old, he could convince me that he meant what he sang. And if Billie Jean isnt storry telling, what is?
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LightOfArt said:

jacktheimprovident said:


where did MJ sing bass? I've heard glimpses of his lower register before, but I'd like to know what you're referring to.


That's a part of the Seth Riggs(his vocal coach) interview
http://s45.yousendit.com/...U2027ST2T6 (370KB)

sosgemini said


ill agree..but prince, during the revolution days, had a better grasp of his emotional presentation...he could tell a story not just with his lyrics but with his voice....

mj has never done this.


hey sos wave

well the whole "I feel his soul" thing is personal opinion imo.

Even when MJ was 10 year old, he could convince me that he meant what he sang. And if Billie Jean isnt storry telling, what is?
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hola...no, not just talking about having soul..im talking about using a vocal tone or style to convey or aid in telling a story.....ie, sometimes it snows in april, the cross, ballad of dorothy parker..

its something that lisa coleman has turned into an artform...sure mj's got soul...but me no hear him change his voice to aid in telling a story..beyond soul.
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RobDogg27 said:

calldapplwondery83 said:



Because guitar is just another of his instruments and he does not feel the need to show off and prove anything.


MOFO, You have got to be on crack! Yes I agree with you that Prince's guitar playing on here is overrated sometimes but not by much, and is usually by fans that have no backround in music, much less guitar. What riff are you refering to in Purple Rain? The intro, which happens to be the chords to the song? Great so Wendy came up with it. No big deal. No one ever said that was some great guitar playing. Anyone can play that! There is no use in going into who is better than who and who is the greatest because it is all a matter of opinion and what you like, but dude when you have some seriously great guitar god's saying that Prince is the man, it's gotta be true. Let's Go Crazy is awesome as you stated but what about the intro to When Dove's Cry? What about 3 Chain's O Gold? Just My Imagination? Joy In Repetition? Have you ever even seen Prince live? And a he has wrote plenty of classic riffs. Why You Wanna Treat Me So Bad ICNTTPOYM Little Red Corvette. I just don't get where you are coming from when you say he is nowhere near the best. He may not be the best at blues, rock, jazz etc. but he covers all those genres and does them damn well. I would be interested to know who you consider to be WAY better than Prince because Eddie Van Halen and Steve Vai suck at rhythm and P would blow them out of the water. Furthermore, Vai and Eddie have never crossed genres like P has. Sorry for the rambling but I just don't get how you can say that P is not one of the all time great guitarists.


RobDogg it is clearly you who are on crack. Eddie Van Halen sucks at rhythm guitar? Are you mental? He has come up with some of the most memorable guitar riffs of all time, everyone knows his riffs in Running With The Devil, Ain't Talkin' Bout Love and Panama, you have clearly shown you know nothing about guitar playing when you made this comment, Vai and Van Halen have crossed genres, I have heard Eddie play flamenco and everyone knows Vai experiments a lot. Also it doesn't matter how easy a riff is to play, it matters who came up with the riff. The White Stripes' Seven Nation army is one of the most easiest riffs ever but it is really memorable and thats what makes it a classic riff. Prince has never come up with a completely classic riff that everyone knows and loves. Little Red Corvette doesn't really have a guitar riff that the whole song is based around and Dez Dickerson plays the solo, not Prince. Sure these guitar greats have said Prince is good, but nowhere have they said that he is one of the greatest like you deluded people claim. These guitar greats usually say something like 'Prince is a really underated guitarist' and that is true for most people, but people on this forum over rate him like he's one of the Top 20 players that have ever lived.
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