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DBW said: GoldenGlove said: Prince is a better, Songwriter, Dancer, Per4mer, Instrumentalist, Actor etc..
But the one thing that MJ does better is sing, listen too his voice on "She's out of my life" or "Will you be there" "Rock With You" and many more. Prince is WAY better overall... but as a VOCALIST, u can't deny MJ. 8-)That is definitely a matter of opinion! I haven't heard anyone with the range (hi-low) that Prince has!!! Its always about More and More with most of you people. I don't know if Prince's voice has more range than MJ's, but I know that MJ's voice is much more powerful, cleaner, smoother and just more pleasing to the ear. |
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Novabreaker said: Michael has a higher IQ.
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SEXYMOFO said: QuakeXLE said: Meh.... I really don't agree with this statement. When your song writing skills and abilty to play guitar has been compared favorably to some of the greatest musicians/ composers of all time... I'ld have to say that qualifies you as a master of at least a couple of things. Though he is still a jack of all trades, he is a prolific song writer and guitarist. Additionally in this aspect... MJ isnt even in Prince's league. MJ, IMO, is a superior dancer and actor to Prince. Singing ability is a toss up on what you would qualify as better... MJ's command of his vocal range is superior... but Prince has superior vocal range. I'ld give the edge of producing to Prince. MJ has done some nice production work but some of his most notable music was produced by others. Prince well... we know who and only who produces Prince. Stage presence is another eye of the beholder type of thing... but i will give the edge to MJ... with hesitation... only because he caters to a 'pop' audiance, while Prince caters his shows to himself and sometimes his fans. Prince's guitar playing on this forum is highly overated. He is not one of the all time great guitarists like some of you claim, there's tons that are better than him. Let me ask you, has he ever written a classic riff? Wendy wrote the riff to Purple Rain, Let's Go Crazy has a good riff I'll give him that but apart from that there's not really much else. If he's so great why is the guitar usually so low in the mix in most of his songs. Another thing is that he is quite slow, he doesn't have to play super fast like Van Halen or Vai, but some speed wouldn't go amiss. Overall I'd say Prince's guitar playing is perhaps underated by most people but on this forum it is way overated.
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PurpleJedi said: Novabreaker said: Michael has a higher IQ.
He probably does. Doesn't mean he's wiser or good at his life decisions. He is a true intellectual, something I wouldn't call Prince. | |
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SEXYMOFO said: RobDogg27 said: MOFO, You have got to be on crack! Yes I agree with you that Prince's guitar playing on here is overrated sometimes but not by much, and is usually by fans that have no backround in music, much less guitar. What riff are you refering to in Purple Rain? The intro, which happens to be the chords to the song? Great so Wendy came up with it. No big deal. No one ever said that was some great guitar playing. Anyone can play that! There is no use in going into who is better than who and who is the greatest because it is all a matter of opinion and what you like, but dude when you have some seriously great guitar god's saying that Prince is the man, it's gotta be true. Let's Go Crazy is awesome as you stated but what about the intro to When Dove's Cry? What about 3 Chain's O Gold? Just My Imagination? Joy In Repetition? Have you ever even seen Prince live? And a he has wrote plenty of classic riffs. Why You Wanna Treat Me So Bad ICNTTPOYM Little Red Corvette. I just don't get where you are coming from when you say he is nowhere near the best. He may not be the best at blues, rock, jazz etc. but he covers all those genres and does them damn well. I would be interested to know who you consider to be WAY better than Prince because Eddie Van Halen and Steve Vai suck at rhythm and P would blow them out of the water. Furthermore, Vai and Eddie have never crossed genres like P has. Sorry for the rambling but I just don't get how you can say that P is not one of the all time great guitarists. RobDogg it is clearly you who are on crack. Eddie Van Halen sucks at rhythm guitar? Are you mental? He has come up with some of the most memorable guitar riffs of all time, everyone knows his riffs in Running With The Devil, Ain't Talkin' Bout Love and Panama, you have clearly shown you know nothing about guitar playing when you made this comment, Vai and Van Halen have crossed genres, I have heard Eddie play flamenco and everyone knows Vai experiments a lot. Also it doesn't matter how easy a riff is to play, it matters who came up with the riff. The White Stripes' Seven Nation army is one of the most easiest riffs ever but it is really memorable and thats what makes it a classic riff. Prince has never come up with a completely classic riff that everyone knows and loves. Little Red Corvette doesn't really have a guitar riff that the whole song is based around and Dez Dickerson plays the solo, not Prince. Sure these guitar greats have said Prince is good, but nowhere have they said that he is one of the greatest like you deluded people claim. These guitar greats usually say something like 'Prince is a really underated guitarist' and that is true for most people, but people on this forum over rate him like he's one of the Top 20 players that have ever lived. So why am I on crack? Look don't get me wrong, I love Van Halen and Vai, Malmstein, and anybody else that can wail on the guitar. This has been said on this site before on another thread but one thing that Prince excels at so much with his guitar playing is the feeling that comes across with it. Like I said before, I agree with you that P's playing is overrated on this site but his mastery over the instrument really comes out when you see him live because he just cuts loose. I have the utmost respect to anyone that can play an instrument that good. Regardless of wether it is Stevie Ray Vaughn (who IMHO is the greatest guitarist of all time {yes Jimmi made the mold but Stevie took over, and who knows what would have happened had Jimmi not passed....but anyway I digress}) , Clapton, Eddie or B.B. King it is pleasing to the ear. So don't get me wrong MOFO, I am not saying that any of these guys suck or are horrible, but you almost sounded like you were knocking P. Which it itself is fine because many people on this forum know nothing about music and think P is the best at everything, but Prince IMO IS great. I think it is pointless to do the whole "who is the greatest and rank them" stuff because you can't compare all of the differant styles of playing and in the end, it is who YOU like! P may not be the best at any specific style but when you are that good at that many differant stlyes it obviously gives you some cred. Anyways here I go again, but MOFO good reply and I agree with you on a lot of points. I think we are both saying the same thing except in differant ways. So IMO P is one of the greatest but to you maybe you like more differant types of music or whatever, but it gives you a differant outlook on things which is what makes us all differant and makes us have great discussions like these (on a MJ thread...Go figure!).  If u and I were just ten feet closer, then I'd make u understand
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Wow I cant believe some of the stuff I am reading here. Ok I am bias, but let me try here to share why I dont think MJ is better at anything over Prince.
Dancing: MJ has 3 dance moves, and he repeats them so often he probably has to hit his shoe to his hand and snap before he gets his coffee every morning. Prince on the otherhand has exhibited a multitude of dance moves and styles over the years, he moves to the beat, most of the time just moving to the however the music makes him feel, no choreography. I dont think anyone moves like Prince, I for one am amazed at his dancing. Vocal: Prince cant go high without breaking into falsetto? All MJ has is falsetto. If you are saying MJ is better based on that, i dont get it. Sound wise, well they both have a good voice, but MJ will never be able to touch the range and power that Prince has. Acting Never saw MJ act. Songwriting, performing, playing instruments, etc - no contest here. "You always get the dream that you deserve, from what you value the most" -Prince 2013 | |
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Novabreaker said: PurpleJedi said: He probably does. Doesn't mean he's wiser or good at his life decisions. He is a true intellectual, something I wouldn't call Prince. If he does it doesn't show. Anyway, for my money Mike's got the better singing voice. Prince really doesn't have a pleasing singing voice at all. Fortunately for him he has the range to keep a song interesting and convey his emotions-- and contrary to what some of you would have us believe that didn't begin nor end with the Revolution. Get off it already. 
Michael isn't a good dancer because he's not fluid and doesn't really groove. When he was a child just going off of instinct he was great but ever since the self-consciousness of adolescence kicked in his moves are too calculated, choreographed, dare I say robotic. Prince's dancing is okay. Much like with his voice, he has the ability to keep it interesting. In and of itself it's not great but he uses what he has to the ultimate. We don't have to debate musicianship, production, or acting. MJ isn't credible in any of these fields and Prince is a terrible actor himself. For those debating how good Prince is on the guitar give me 10 to 20 people who are better and reference the work-- and I'm not talking about some incoherent, 10 minute long jack-offs on the damn thing with no rhyme or reason. I'm talking about where it actually adds to the song. To save you the trouble, you can't because for my ear once you hit a certain level of mastery it all depends on the song. I like Prince songs so I like his guitar playing. Incidentally, the only Van Halen solo I really liked was on Beat It. 
Oh, and MJ and Prince are both good songwriters. Too close to call really. I prefer Prince but I won't/can't say he's better. What sets Prince apart from virtually everybody else is his ability to put all of these things together. I've made the analogy before, but I'll do it again. Nobody really cares that Michael Jordan wasn't the best jumpshooter, nor Picasso the best colorist. These guys are more than simply the sum of their parts. That's what makes them great. [Edited 9/8/05 21:56pm] [Edited 9/8/05 22:02pm] |
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leadline said: Dancing: MJ has 3 dance moves, and he repeats them so often he probably has to hit his shoe to his hand and snap before he gets his coffee every morning. DUMB!!!!! I guees I have to save this vid for those who say stuff like this. http://media.putfile.com/womusic | |
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whodknee said: Novabreaker said: He probably does. Doesn't mean he's wiser or good at his life decisions. He is a true intellectual, something I wouldn't call Prince. If he does it doesn't show. He's far more literate at least. I think the painkiller intake and dperession however has gotten to him over the years so he does come off as a bit of a vegetable these days. | |
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Novabreaker said: whodknee said: If he does it doesn't show.
He's far more literate at least. I think the painkiller intake and dperession however has gotten to him over the years so he does come off as a bit of a vegetable these days.  | |
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SEXYMOFO said: QuakeXLE said: Meh.... I really don't agree with this statement. When your song writing skills and abilty to play guitar has been compared favorably to some of the greatest musicians/ composers of all time... I'ld have to say that qualifies you as a master of at least a couple of things. Though he is still a jack of all trades, he is a prolific song writer and guitarist. Additionally in this aspect... MJ isnt even in Prince's league. MJ, IMO, is a superior dancer and actor to Prince. Singing ability is a toss up on what you would qualify as better... MJ's command of his vocal range is superior... but Prince has superior vocal range. I'ld give the edge of producing to Prince. MJ has done some nice production work but some of his most notable music was produced by others. Prince well... we know who and only who produces Prince. Stage presence is another eye of the beholder type of thing... but i will give the edge to MJ... with hesitation... only because he caters to a 'pop' audiance, while Prince caters his shows to himself and sometimes his fans. Prince's guitar playing on this forum is highly overated. He is not one of the all time great guitarists like some of you claim, there's tons that are better than him. Let me ask you, has he ever written a classic riff? Wendy wrote the riff to Purple Rain, Let's Go Crazy has a good riff I'll give him that but apart from that there's not really much else. If he's so great why is the guitar usually so low in the mix in most of his songs. Another thing is that he is quite slow, he doesn't have to play super fast like Van Halen or Vai, but some speed wouldn't go amiss. Overall I'd say Prince's guitar playing is perhaps underated by most people but on this forum it is way overated. She's Always In My Hair Peach Guitar Solo in Purple Rain. (Considered by most players to be PERFECT) actually, there are too many to mention here. _________________________________________
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lilgish said: leadline said: Dancing: MJ has 3 dance moves, and he repeats them so often he probably has to hit his shoe to his hand and snap before he gets his coffee every morning. DUMB!!!!! I guees I have to save this vid for those who say stuff like this. http://media.putfile.com/womusic Very nice! No sound for me though? | |
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calldapplwondery83 said: lilgish said: DUMB!!!!! I guees I have to save this vid for those who say stuff like this. http://media.putfile.com/womusic Very nice! No sound for me though? yea, I'm need to put some on it, but I'm lazy right now. | |
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Back in the day Mike singing was awesome. Currently? Hell no. Prince blows him away vocally.  | |
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