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Reply #30 posted 09/05/05 9:14am

summerdawn

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I still say that it's a bit apples and oranges, but here's my two yen's worth.

Michael Jackson has the more powerful voice, but Prince has the most versatile.

Prince's dancing comes across as more natural and far less choreographed than MJ's, but Michael's moves are visually more stunning (but come across as endlessly rehearsed).

Michael Jackson clearly has a better knowledge of how to create a commercially successful song. Whether or not that's a plus or a minus is up to the individual listener.

Prince produces himself perfectly and his music is spoiled when others have a hand in production. Michael knows just which producers to use in order to create his brand of perfection.

Prince is a musician first and a pop star second, MJ is a pop star first and a musician second.

Nope, still apples and oranges.



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Reply #31 posted 09/05/05 6:25pm

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first of all,wendy didnt invent any riffs on purple rain.
dez dickerson stated that prince started playing chords to purple rain on the 1999 tour.
wendy was not even in the band yet.

but lets talk about memorable prince guitar riffs.

1999
when doves cry
bambi
when you were mine
sign o the times (that bass line that repeats over and over)
i wanna be your lover
cream
diamonds and pearls
family name
last december
...many more,see the most intersting thing about prince is that about 80% of his music relies on very memorable riffs that are usualy guitar riffs.
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Reply #32 posted 09/05/05 9:18pm

murph

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RobDogg27 said:



MOFO, You have got to be on crack! Yes I agree with you that Prince's guitar playing on here is overrated sometimes but not by much, and is usually by fans that have no backround in music, much less guitar. What riff are you refering to in Purple Rain? The intro, which happens to be the chords to the song? Great so Wendy came up with it. No big deal. No one ever said that was some great guitar playing. Anyone can play that! There is no use in going into who is better than who and who is the greatest because it is all a matter of opinion and what you like, but dude when you have some seriously great guitar god's saying that Prince is the man, it's gotta be true. Let's Go Crazy is awesome as you stated but what about the intro to When Dove's Cry? What about 3 Chain's O Gold? Just My Imagination? Joy In Repetition? Have you ever even seen Prince live? And a he has wrote plenty of classic riffs. Why You Wanna Treat Me So Bad ICNTTPOYM Little Red Corvette. I just don't get where you are coming from when you say he is nowhere near the best. He may not be the best at blues, rock, jazz etc. but he covers all those genres and does them damn well. I would be interested to know who you consider to be WAY better than Prince because Eddie Van Halen and Steve Vai suck at rhythm and P would blow them out of the water. Furthermore, Vai and Eddie have never crossed genres like P has. Sorry for the rambling but I just don't get how you can say that P is not one of the all time great guitarists.


RobDogg it is clearly you who are on crack. Eddie Van Halen sucks at rhythm guitar? Are you mental? He has come up with some of the most memorable guitar riffs of all time, everyone knows his riffs in Running With The Devil, Ain't Talkin' Bout Love and Panama, you have clearly shown you know nothing about guitar playing when you made this comment, Vai and Van Halen have crossed genres, I have heard Eddie play flamenco and everyone knows Vai experiments a lot. Also it doesn't matter how easy a riff is to play, it matters who came up with the riff. The White Stripes' Seven Nation army is one of the most easiest riffs ever but it is really memorable and thats what makes it a classic riff. Prince has never come up with a completely classic riff that everyone knows and loves. Little Red Corvette doesn't really have a guitar riff that the whole song is based around and Dez Dickerson plays the solo, not Prince. Sure these guitar greats have said Prince is good, but nowhere have they said that he is one of the greatest like you deluded people claim. These guitar greats usually say something like 'Prince is a really underated guitarist' and that is true for most people, but people on this forum over rate him like he's one of the Top 20 players that have ever lived.


I agree...I ride with Prince...The dude is a good guitar player...But to say that the Prince belongs in the top 20, 30, or 40 is a little out there...but I do believe he belongs in at least the top 100...But if you think he belongs in the top 10-20, then I have a straight jacket waiting for you...Prince is a complete musician...that's his greatness....
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Reply #33 posted 09/05/05 9:32pm

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murph said:

SEXYMOFO said:



RobDogg it is clearly you who are on crack. Eddie Van Halen sucks at rhythm guitar? Are you mental? He has come up with some of the most memorable guitar riffs of all time, everyone knows his riffs in Running With The Devil, Ain't Talkin' Bout Love and Panama, you have clearly shown you know nothing about guitar playing when you made this comment, Vai and Van Halen have crossed genres, I have heard Eddie play flamenco and everyone knows Vai experiments a lot. Also it doesn't matter how easy a riff is to play, it matters who came up with the riff. The White Stripes' Seven Nation army is one of the most easiest riffs ever but it is really memorable and thats what makes it a classic riff. Prince has never come up with a completely classic riff that everyone knows and loves. Little Red Corvette doesn't really have a guitar riff that the whole song is based around and Dez Dickerson plays the solo, not Prince. Sure these guitar greats have said Prince is good, but nowhere have they said that he is one of the greatest like you deluded people claim. These guitar greats usually say something like 'Prince is a really underated guitarist' and that is true for most people, but people on this forum over rate him like he's one of the Top 20 players that have ever lived.


I agree...I ride with Prince...The dude is a good guitar player...But to say that the Prince belongs in the top 20, 30, or 40 is a little out there...but I do believe he belongs in at least the top 100...But if you think he belongs in the top 10-20, then I have a straight jacket waiting for you...Prince is a complete musician...that's his greatness....

nod Agreed. You've stated an essential point. P is a complete musician which is rare these days. This is what sets him apart from most.
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Reply #34 posted 09/05/05 11:09pm

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why does everyone think MJ's a better singer? People just have a sentimental attachment to MJ that's all based on nostalgia, but MJ doesn't compare to Prince at all.
[Edited 9/5/05 23:12pm]
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Reply #35 posted 09/06/05 3:42am

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doctamario said:

why does everyone think MJ's a better singer? People just have a sentimental attachment to MJ that's all based on nostalgia, but MJ doesn't compare to Prince at all.
[Edited 9/5/05 23:12pm]


I agree with THAT bit, but clearly the reason people think he's a better singer (although it's all down to personal preference) than Prince is because of his sheer strength, power, and range that he didn't need a trusty, quirky falsetto to fully express. Do you really think Prince can sing as well as MJ when he opens his mouth and doesn't cheat with registers? Perhaps MJ can't reach Prince's supreme high and low notes as effortlessly, but his God-given vocal talent from when he was a child and overall technical prowess shits all over his.
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Reply #36 posted 09/06/05 5:27am

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I like both MJ and Prince. They are totally different but both greats. I really like Prince's voice, I don't care if MJ can do more technical things with his voice, I don't think he has as much feeling in his voice as Prince. I also like Prince's guitar playing for the same reason. The feeling in his playing makes it sound like the guitar is a part of him. Some other guitar greats who make the guitar sound like a part of them would be BB King and Buddy Guy. They're not the most technically gifted but what does that matter? They are still some of the greatest ever. I admit, I don't know how to play guitar but I know what I like to hear out of a guitar...and feeling is what I like. To hear Prince on "Just my imagination", "While my guitar gentley weeps", "Why you wanna treat me so bad" or "I could never take the place of your man" puts chills down my spine. Eddie Van Halen never gave me that feeling. Not putting Eddie down, he is a great too, just not my cup of tea. It all depends on what you like. I would put Prince in my top 10 favorite gutarists of all time. (BTW, #1 would go to Les Paul on my list of favorites of all time.)
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Reply #37 posted 09/06/05 5:44am

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Black (young) Mike was a great singer, every bit as good as Prince.
Today who's the better singer? No contest, PRINCE.

As far as dancing...those tired MJ moves never impressed me.
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Reply #38 posted 09/06/05 6:07am

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Prince is a better, Songwriter, Dancer, Per4mer, Instrumentalist, Actor etc..

But the one thing that MJ does better is sing, listen too his voice on "She's out of my life" or "Will you be there" "Rock With You" and many more.

Prince is WAY better overall... but as a VOCALIST, u can't deny MJ.


Those songs are always gonna be classics, but Prince could take those songs and tear that shit up if he wanted to.
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Reply #39 posted 09/06/05 6:23am

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doctamario said:

why does everyone think MJ's a better singer? People just have a sentimental attachment to MJ that's all based on nostalgia, but MJ doesn't compare to Prince at all.
[Edited 9/5/05 23:12pm]



ummm no.


and we are all still here..if you want further clarification, ask us..cause your hypothosis couldnt be further from my reality.

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Reply #40 posted 09/06/05 6:30am

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MJ's voice doesn't have the range that Prince's voice does. MJ cannot sing in a low register as Prince does in, say, "gett off". However, Prince can nail every high note that MJ can.
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Reply #41 posted 09/06/05 6:31am

MikeMatronik

But madonna is the best abba sampler!

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Reply #42 posted 09/06/05 7:55am

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Look people, MJ's voice is ten times Prince's. It has way more power, is cleaner and much more energetic. I dunno if Prince's voice can go higher than MJ's, but his falsetto sounds too chipmunk-ish, whereas MJ's falsetto sounds much more natural as in Human Nature. When Prince tries to sing really powerfully he ends up screeching, like at the end of The Beautiful Ones and Kiss, however when MJ sings powerfully he always stays in tune and is singing not screeching. MJ could sing any Prince song no problem, but Prince could never sing songs like Wanna Be Startin' Something, Get On The Floor, Human Nature. In fact the only MJ song he could probably sing is Don't Stop Till You Get Enough.

Quite simply MJ's voice is much more pleasing to the ear. It's so smooth and he has just as much feeling in his voice if not more than Prince. Prince's singing on When Doves Cry is quite robotic sounding like those new wave 80's singers, MJ's voice was never like this.

If Prince is a better singer why are all his songs on his early albums sung in falsetto? I'll tell you why, it's because his natural singing voice wasn't good and powerful enough for those songs.

Also MJ can sing low as well, listen to 2000 Watts on Invincible. Even now MJ's voice is still better than Prince's, listen to Butterflies and Whatever Happens.

Some of you people really are crazy if you think that Prince's vocal ability is superior to MJ's.
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Reply #43 posted 09/06/05 8:03am

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SEXYMOFO said:

Prince's singing on When Doves Cry is quite robotic sounding like those new wave 80's singers, MJ's voice was never like this.


ummm..that was the whole point of prince's vocal execution...
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Reply #44 posted 09/06/05 8:07am

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GoldenGlove said:

Enigmoid said:

I still say that it's a bit apples and oranges, but here's my two yen's worth.

Michael Jackson has the more powerful voice, but Prince has the most versatile.

Prince's dancing comes across as more natural and far less choreographed than MJ's, but Michael's moves are visually more stunning (but come across as endlessly rehearsed).

Michael Jackson clearly has a better knowledge of how to create a commercially successful song. Whether or not that's a plus or a minus is up to the individual listener.

Prince produces himself perfectly and his music is spoiled when others have a hand in production. Michael knows just which producers to use in order to create his brand of perfection.

Prince is a musician first and a pop star second, MJ is a pop star first and a musician second.

Nope, still apples and oranges.


I guess that sums it up! biggrin


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Reply #45 posted 09/06/05 8:11am

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SEXYMOFO said:


Some of you people really are crazy if you think that Prince's vocal ability is superior to MJ's.

Excuse doctamario, he is newb who just got into Prince, He probably thinks Prince is the greatest drummer of all-time with impeccable acting skills.
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Reply #46 posted 09/06/05 9:32am

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SEXYMOFO said:

Look people, MJ's voice is ten times Prince's. It has way more power, is cleaner and much more energetic. I dunno if Prince's voice can go higher than MJ's, but his falsetto sounds too chipmunk-ish, whereas MJ's falsetto sounds much more natural as in Human Nature. When Prince tries to sing really powerfully he ends up screeching, like at the end of The Beautiful Ones and Kiss, however when MJ sings powerfully he always stays in tune and is singing not screeching. MJ could sing any Prince song no problem, but Prince could never sing songs like Wanna Be Startin' Something, Get On The Floor, Human Nature. In fact the only MJ song he could probably sing is Don't Stop Till You Get Enough.

Quite simply MJ's voice is much more pleasing to the ear. It's so smooth and he has just as much feeling in his voice if not more than Prince. Prince's singing on When Doves Cry is quite robotic sounding like those new wave 80's singers, MJ's voice was never like this.

If Prince is a better singer why are all his songs on his early albums sung in falsetto? I'll tell you why, it's because his natural singing voice wasn't good and powerful enough for those songs.

Also MJ can sing low as well, listen to 2000 Watts on Invincible. Even now MJ's voice is still better than Prince's, listen to Butterflies and Whatever Happens.

Some of you people really are crazy if you think that Prince's vocal ability is superior to MJ's.



The Beautiful Ones is just perfect as it is. He doesn't "screech" by accident but because he wanted it that way. Same with When Doves Cry, I just think you don't quite get the meaning of the song. The vocals perfectly fit it.
Still, I agree that Prince couldn't do Earth Song, for example.
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Reply #47 posted 09/06/05 9:38am

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calldapplwondery83 said:


The Beautiful Ones is just perfect as it is. He doesn't "screech" by accident but because he wanted it that way. Same with When Doves Cry, I just think you don't quite get the meaning of the song. The vocals perfectly fit it.
Still, I agree that Prince couldn't do Earth Song, for example.


Prince could do Earth Song, in fact I would love to see Prince do Earth Song, since Michael never sung it live, except for some great sounding ad-libs at the end of the song, but I' never heard MJ handle that entire song.
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Reply #48 posted 09/06/05 1:50pm

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Nah, I don't think Prince could pull it off. MJ's voice IS very strong, surprisingly, considering how fragile he sometimes looks.
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Reply #49 posted 09/06/05 4:03pm

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GoldenGlove said:

Prince is a better, Songwriter, Dancer, Per4mer, Instrumentalist, Actor etc..

But the one thing that MJ does better is sing, listen too his voice on "She's out of my life" or "Will you be there" "Rock With You" and many more.

Prince is WAY better overall... but as a VOCALIST, u can't deny MJ.


dont even start with that shit! neutral
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Reply #50 posted 09/06/05 4:25pm

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MJ sucks as a singer, Prince is much better singer. Mj can only sing high and doesn't change pitch as much as Prince in one song. If MJ is such a good singer why does he lipsynch, Mj hasn't sung live like since the 80s, his concerts are all lipsynching, he can't even sing his own song Billie Jean in key, even in the 83 at Motown 25 special he lipsynched Billie Jean. 2000 Watts MJ has special fx to make his voice lower. Mj reminds me of the two women of the movie "Death becomes her". I have listened to all MJ, had all the cds, and all Prince, have all the cds. MJ can't sing, he hasn't done as many tv performances as Prince, Mj has never performed on Letterman, Leno, SNL, Arsenio, etc. MJ sucks in all aspects, if u wanna praise MJ while dissing Prince u're at the wrong place. have u at least listened to Prince? u mention "when doves cry", have u listened to anything besides his 80s hits?
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Reply #51 posted 09/06/05 9:44pm

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SEXYMOFO said:

Look people, MJ's voice is ten times Prince's. It has way more power, is cleaner and much more energetic. I dunno if Prince's voice can go higher than MJ's, but his falsetto sounds too chipmunk-ish, whereas MJ's falsetto sounds much more natural as in Human Nature. When Prince tries to sing really powerfully he ends up screeching, like at the end of The Beautiful Ones and Kiss, however when MJ sings powerfully he always stays in tune and is singing not screeching. MJ could sing any Prince song no problem, but Prince could never sing songs like Wanna Be Startin' Something, Get On The Floor, Human Nature. In fact the only MJ song he could probably sing is Don't Stop Till You Get Enough.

a powerful vocal ? in human nature ?. now, look. i love that song, but it is one of Mike's softer songs. and as far as sounding like Alvin an'em, what about don't stop till you get enough ? the afore mentioned endings to when dove's cry, and the beautiful ones is certainly not Prince screeching, as you stated, but more of a whailing. it's something old blues singers used to convey the pain directly to your soul, like a blow 2 the chest.



If Prince is a better singer why are all his songs on his early albums sung in falsetto? I'll tell you why, it's because his natural singing voice wasn't good and powerful enough for those songs.

because all of Prince's lead vocals were done in that register, at that time. to say his singing voice wasn't strong enough would be an untruthitude. if it was so weak, he wouldn't have had such varied backing vocals. go back and listen 2 for you. the whole album just screams vocal versatility. he even used his usual second tenor on the second verse of just as long as we're together.er Happens.


Some of you people really are crazy if you think that Prince's vocal ability is superior to MJ's.



then i'd better get fitted for my strait jacket lol


peace,
j
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Reply #52 posted 09/06/05 9:47pm

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well that don't look like i wrote much. i'm the snide bastard who's sentences begin uncapitalized. so that's me in the cut, as it were lol
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Reply #53 posted 09/06/05 10:08pm

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Gonzalo said:

MJ sucks as a singer, Prince is much better singer. Mj can only sing high and doesn't change pitch as much as Prince in one song. If MJ is such a good singer why does he lipsynch, Mj hasn't sung live like since the 80s, his concerts are all lipsynching, he can't even sing his own song Billie Jean in key, even in the 83 at Motown 25 special he lipsynched Billie Jean. 2000 Watts MJ has special fx to make his voice lower. Mj reminds me of the two women of the movie "Death becomes her". I have listened to all MJ, had all the cds, and all Prince, have all the cds. MJ can't sing, he hasn't done as many tv performances as Prince, Mj has never performed on Letterman, Leno, SNL, Arsenio, etc. MJ sucks in all aspects, if u wanna praise MJ while dissing Prince u're at the wrong place. have u at least listened to Prince? u mention "when doves cry", have u listened to anything besides his 80s hits?

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hah!
he hasn't done as many tv performances as Prince


In 1974 alone, Michael Jackson did more TV than Prince has ever done.
Dancing Machine was done on every late-night, variety, telethon, AB, Soul Train...etc...Mike has done fucking Ed Sullivan and you're making a big deal about Leno...MJ is too big for that shit!!! At one time so was Prince.
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Reply #54 posted 09/07/05 3:30am

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musicology74 said:

SEXYMOFO said:

Look people, MJ's voice is ten times Prince's. It has way more power, is cleaner and much more energetic. I dunno if Prince's voice can go higher than MJ's, but his falsetto sounds too chipmunk-ish, whereas MJ's falsetto sounds much more natural as in Human Nature. When Prince tries to sing really powerfully he ends up screeching, like at the end of The Beautiful Ones and Kiss, however when MJ sings powerfully he always stays in tune and is singing not screeching. MJ could sing any Prince song no problem, but Prince could never sing songs like Wanna Be Startin' Something, Get On The Floor, Human Nature. In fact the only MJ song he could probably sing is Don't Stop Till You Get Enough.

a powerful vocal ? in human nature ?. now, look. i love that song, but it is one of Mike's softer songs. and as far as sounding like Alvin an'em, what about don't stop till you get enough ? the afore mentioned endings to when dove's cry, and the beautiful ones is certainly not Prince screeching, as you stated, but more of a whailing. it's something old blues singers used to convey the pain directly to your soul, like a blow 2 the chest.



If Prince is a better singer why are all his songs on his early albums sung in falsetto? I'll tell you why, it's because his natural singing voice wasn't good and powerful enough for those songs.

because all of Prince's lead vocals were done in that register, at that time. to say his singing voice wasn't strong enough would be an untruthitude. if it was so weak, he wouldn't have had such varied backing vocals. go back and listen 2 for you. the whole album just screams vocal versatility. he even used his usual second tenor on the second verse of just as long as we're together.er Happens.


Some of you people really are crazy if you think that Prince's vocal ability is superior to MJ's.



then i'd better get fitted for my strait jacket lol


peace,
j


I know MJ's voice in Human Nature is soft, I never said it was powerful, what I was trying to say is that Prince could never sing that good and smooth. Michael's falsetto in Don't Stop Til You Get Enough is not as squeaky like Prince's, quite frankly some of his falsetto gets embarrassing as in Adore, you know which part I'm talking about. That's the only full song that MJ has done in falsetto, he didn't release 3 albums doing that. All you hardcore fans keep saying 'Prince's voice has more variety', 'Prince can play a variety of instruments', well I got something to say to you, it's better to be perfect at one thing than to be good at many things. MJ's voice has way more energy than Prince's, could you honestly imagine Prince singing Get On The Floor as good as MJ can?
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Reply #55 posted 09/07/05 9:16am

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Michael has a higher IQ.
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Reply #56 posted 09/07/05 9:27am

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BEAUGARDE said:

I really can't stomach anymore of this Michael Jackson jibberish


Ditto. Why do we continue to compare these vastly different artists? Why? neutral
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Reply #57 posted 09/07/05 11:02am

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SEXYMOFO said:


Prince is a jack of all trades but a master of none.


So you don't think Prince is a master of the guitar?
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Reply #58 posted 09/07/05 11:33am

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thekidsgirl said:

BEAUGARDE said:

I really can't stomach anymore of this Michael Jackson jibberish


Ditto. Why do we continue to compare these vastly different artists? Why? neutral



good question..but then by responding to these threads we end up bumping them to the top of the page..

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Reply #59 posted 09/07/05 12:03pm

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Prince is a better, Songwriter, Dancer, Per4mer, Instrumentalist, Actor etc..

But the one thing that MJ does better is sing, listen too his voice on "She's out of my life" or "Will you be there" "Rock With You" and many more.

Prince is WAY better overall... but as a VOCALIST, u can't deny MJ.

8-)That is definitely a matter of opinion! I haven't heard anyone with the range (hi-low) that Prince has!!!
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