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Reply #60 posted 09/08/05 2:05pm

BorisFishpaw

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Great list!
there is one minor error though, Come #3 (5:30) is actually a fake.
It's a fan made extended version of Come #4 (3:17) - which is the real
original (or only circulating) version of this remix of Come which was
first aired on The Beautiful Experience TV special.
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Reply #61 posted 09/08/05 2:17pm

IstenSzek

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BorisFishpaw said:

Great list!
there is one minor error though, Come #3 (5:30) is actually a fake.
It's a fan made extended version of Come #4 (3:17) - which is the real
original (or only circulating) version of this remix of Come which was
first aired on The Beautiful Experience TV special.


nod

if you pay attention whilst listening to the (5:30) track
you can hear the exact moment where the song is cut and a
portion of the song is simply tagged on at the end repeat
until fade out.

it gets very repetitive that way, if it had been a Prince
original, he would have thrown some different instruments
and some spoken words or groans in there.
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Reply #62 posted 09/08/05 2:19pm

SupaFunkyOrgan
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IstenSzek said:

snowflake

Then how do you explain the maxi singles? Obviously Prince put
a lot of work into those songs.

Space maxi single and Letitgo maxi single contain about 45
minutes of music each. Completely different versions and a
couple of very cool remixes of those tracks.

Plus, there are about 7 versions of "Come" he recorded that
were never released, but yet slated for a single release at
some point.

Even "Loose" has at least 2 remixes floating about. The same
goes for "Pheromone" which has the instrumental mix and the
more elemantal mix that starts off with some loud ass guitar
keys that sound like a brachiosaurus in a submarine lol.

Also, "Race" had several mixes before it was finally released
on this album. Some of which were superior to the one that he
finally placed on the cd (the one with the long jazzy 1920's
style ending).

Beyond all that, all these songs were recorded at the same
time as the songs that ended up on the "Gold Experience" and
at different times songs from both projects were mingled on
the tracklists before the release of both albums.

Outtakes like "Interactive" were similarly a part of both of
these discs at one point.

So why, just because the album was offered to warners in the
time of the dispute, do people keep insisting that "Gold" is
an album full of stellar songs and that "Come" is nothing but
a mere bag of outtakes?

The changes in sequence for the album and the various acetates
would hint at a very different Princely view on this album.

Take "The vault...Old Friends 4 Sale". Not that's an album full
of songs he just pulled from the vault and gave to them to get
out from under his contract.

But Come? Come on. It's a fine, dark, sexually claustraphobic
album with some top-notch tunes. In fact, all the tunes on it
are superb. The only thing the album might suffer from in some
slight way is that it has no real beginning or end.

The first song is a bit too long to make it a good slamming cut
for opening an album and the closing "orgasm" is simply awfull.
But if it would have better book end songs, I'm sure this would
flow like one of his very best albums.

Anywho. The thing that makes me go confuse is the fact that
Prince himself calls it a "contractual obligation" album.

And that just isn't right. I'm sure it wasn't stricly intended
as such (note the difference in approach between this album and
"The Vault").

Could it be he just chose to throw it into that same bag after
it failed to sell satisfyingly and after it was gunned down by
critics and fans alike??

Not sure. For me personally, the fact remains that this is an
incredible album that I always enjoy listening to. Compared to"
for example "Musicology", this album displays the essence of
Prince's songcraft much much more. "Space" and "Papa" alone are
worth more in his catalogue imo than the entire "Musicology" cd.

confused

this post makes me wanna boff you

worship

I agree with everything you've just said. Come is underrated and undeservedly demonized. I love this album completely. nod
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Reply #63 posted 09/08/05 2:22pm

MikeMatronik

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

IstenSzek said:

snowflake

Then how do you explain the maxi singles? Obviously Prince put
a lot of work into those songs.

Space maxi single and Letitgo maxi single contain about 45
minutes of music each. Completely different versions and a
couple of very cool remixes of those tracks.

Plus, there are about 7 versions of "Come" he recorded that
were never released, but yet slated for a single release at
some point.

Even "Loose" has at least 2 remixes floating about. The same
goes for "Pheromone" which has the instrumental mix and the
more elemantal mix that starts off with some loud ass guitar
keys that sound like a brachiosaurus in a submarine lol.

Also, "Race" had several mixes before it was finally released
on this album. Some of which were superior to the one that he
finally placed on the cd (the one with the long jazzy 1920's
style ending).

Beyond all that, all these songs were recorded at the same
time as the songs that ended up on the "Gold Experience" and
at different times songs from both projects were mingled on
the tracklists before the release of both albums.

Outtakes like "Interactive" were similarly a part of both of
these discs at one point.

So why, just because the album was offered to warners in the
time of the dispute, do people keep insisting that "Gold" is
an album full of stellar songs and that "Come" is nothing but
a mere bag of outtakes?

The changes in sequence for the album and the various acetates
would hint at a very different Princely view on this album.

Take "The vault...Old Friends 4 Sale". Not that's an album full
of songs he just pulled from the vault and gave to them to get
out from under his contract.

But Come? Come on. It's a fine, dark, sexually claustraphobic
album with some top-notch tunes. In fact, all the tunes on it
are superb. The only thing the album might suffer from in some
slight way is that it has no real beginning or end.

The first song is a bit too long to make it a good slamming cut
for opening an album and the closing "orgasm" is simply awfull.
But if it would have better book end songs, I'm sure this would
flow like one of his very best albums.

Anywho. The thing that makes me go confuse is the fact that
Prince himself calls it a "contractual obligation" album.

And that just isn't right. I'm sure it wasn't stricly intended
as such (note the difference in approach between this album and
"The Vault").

Could it be he just chose to throw it into that same bag after
it failed to sell satisfyingly and after it was gunned down by
critics and fans alike??

Not sure. For me personally, the fact remains that this is an
incredible album that I always enjoy listening to. Compared to"
for example "Musicology", this album displays the essence of
Prince's songcraft much much more. "Space" and "Papa" alone are
worth more in his catalogue imo than the entire "Musicology" cd.

confused

this post makes me wanna boff you

worship

I agree with everything you've just said. Come is underrated and undeservedly demonized. I love this album completely. nod


and I so adore ur nickname... wink
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Reply #64 posted 09/08/05 2:38pm

SupaFunkyOrgan
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All this talk about additions to the album shake I cannot picture it. Songs like Interactive or Endorphinemachine or Peach.....no way. Maybe if they revolved around Loose but I don't feel that they fit. And can we burn the song "Pope" in an incinerator. I'm probably the only person in this joint that feels nothing but contempt for that song mad

I love this album as it is. I would love to hear a reworked version with additions to see if it makes sense because for me, I have to have it make sense. If it sticks out like a sore thumb, and you can tell it does, I don't want it there. Also, how would you blend the additions? Seems like you really wouldn't be able to do that and keep the orgasmic theme of the disc. Examine the titles:

1. Come - This is the goal
2. Space - The place you wanna be.
3. Pheromone - Basic animal attraction
4. Loose! - What happens with too much boff biggrin
5. Papa - One half of the equation.
6. Race - competition to see who gets to the space fastest
7. Dark - conducive to lovemaking
8. Solo - Or you can do it alone
9. Letitgo - No inhibitions
10. Orgasm - Game won!

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[Edited 9/8/05 14:39pm]
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Reply #65 posted 09/08/05 2:38pm

SupaFunkyOrgan
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MikeMatronik said:

and I so adore ur nickname... wink

Thank you giggle I liked your last avatar nod
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Reply #66 posted 09/08/05 2:50pm

NightGod

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I never considered Come to be a throwaway album. Prince made many videos (of course unreleased) and yes, made many versions of the tracks. The album is cohesive and flows well. I love the funkiness and darkness of it, and I listen to it much more than I listen to The Gold Experience.

I think with stronger marketing it would have been a very successful album, but I also realize that doesn't mean much. Anything that the labels market strongly seems to become successful, in spite of the quality of music.

Come is a solid album, with a great sexual energy, creativity and atmosphere.
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Reply #67 posted 09/08/05 2:51pm

BorisFishpaw

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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

All this talk about additions to the album shake I cannot picture it.


If you'd heard the original sequence, with the way that the original versions
of Come, Endorphinmachine and Space segue seamlessly into each other, I'd
think you'd reconsider. wink

The way the slower longer version of Come segues into Space on the released
version of the album just doesn't work nearly as well.
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Reply #68 posted 09/08/05 2:54pm

MikeMatronik

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

MikeMatronik said:

and I so adore ur nickname... wink

Thank you giggle I liked your last avatar nod


I'm gonna create a new one soon...this one is just an hommage 2 Madonna...
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Reply #69 posted 09/08/05 2:59pm

SupaFunkyOrgan
grinderSexy

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BorisFishpaw said:

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

All this talk about additions to the album shake I cannot picture it.


If you'd heard the original sequence, with the way that the original versions
of Come, Endorphinmachine and Space segue seamlessly into each other, I'd
think you'd reconsider. wink

The way the slower longer version of Come segues into Space on the released
version of the album just doesn't work nearly as well.

If I had the original version, I'd listen to it and see if I agree whistling

And I think the segue from original come into space is excellent lol
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Reply #70 posted 09/08/05 3:00pm

MikeMatronik

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

BorisFishpaw said:



If you'd heard the original sequence, with the way that the original versions
of Come, Endorphinmachine and Space segue seamlessly into each other, I'd
think you'd reconsider. wink

The way the slower longer version of Come segues into Space on the released
version of the album just doesn't work nearly as well.

If I had the original version, I'd listen to it and see if I agree whistling

And I think the segue from original come into space is excellent lol


I stil would love 2 agree with U guys
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Reply #71 posted 09/09/05 1:06am

scififilmnerd

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BorisFishpaw said:

Great list!
there is one minor error though, Come #3 (5:30) is actually a fake.
It's a fan made extended version of Come #4 (3:17) - which is the real
original (or only circulating) version of this remix of Come which was
first aired on The Beautiful Experience TV special.


omfg

I hadn't even realized... eek

But I have thought that the fade-out at the end must have been made by bootleggers, because surely it was meant to play loud until the end.

So, of course... You're right. It's an all the way fake. biggrin
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Reply #72 posted 09/09/05 1:08am

scififilmnerd

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IstenSzek said:

if you pay attention whilst listening to the (5:30) track
you can hear the exact moment where the song is cut and a
portion of the song is simply tagged on at the end repeat
until fade out.

it gets very repetitive that way, if it had been a Prince
original, he would have thrown some different instruments
and some spoken words or groans in there.


Well, now that you mention it. I guess I wasn't paying proper attention. I'm embarrassed. boxed
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Reply #73 posted 09/09/05 1:17am

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scififilmnerd said:

IstenSzek said:

if you pay attention whilst listening to the (5:30) track
you can hear the exact moment where the song is cut and a
portion of the song is simply tagged on at the end repeat
until fade out.

it gets very repetitive that way, if it had been a Prince
original, he would have thrown some different instruments
and some spoken words or groans in there.


Well, now that you mention it. I guess I wasn't paying proper attention. I'm embarrassed. boxed



dont be embarrassed. there is no need, we're all a bit nuts at the org

biggrin
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Reply #74 posted 09/09/05 3:40am

MikeMatronik

double post lol
[Edited 9/9/05 3:42am]
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Reply #75 posted 09/09/05 3:42am

MikeMatronik

Geek question alert:

does the short version of come (the song) have a faster beat or is it just an edit of the 11 minute version that was released?
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Reply #76 posted 09/09/05 4:28am

scififilmnerd

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MikeMatronik said:

Geek question alert:

does the short version of come (the song) have a faster beat or is it just an edit of the 11 minute version that was released?


Yes, it has a faster beat. The 11 minutes are more like a maxi single version in the tradition of singles like The Beautiful Experience and Space that offer variations of the same song. The 11 minute Come version should have been a maxi single version rather than an album version, too, if you ask me. But... What is, is. shrug
[Edited 9/9/05 4:29am]
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Reply #77 posted 09/09/05 4:34am

MikeMatronik

scififilmnerd said:

MikeMatronik said:

Geek question alert:

does the short version of come (the song) have a faster beat or is it just an edit of the 11 minute version that was released?


Yes, it has a faster beat. The 11 minutes are more like a maxi single version in the tradition of singles like The Beautiful Experience and Space that offer variations of the same song. The 11 minute Come version should have been a maxi single version rather than an album version, too, if you ask me. But... What is, is. shrug
[Edited 9/9/05 4:29am]


Thanks! wink

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Reply #78 posted 09/10/05 1:57pm

shaomi

scififilmnerd said:

MikeMatronik said:

Geek question alert:

does the short version of come (the song) have a faster beat or is it just an edit of the 11 minute version that was released?


Yes, it has a faster beat. The 11 minutes are more like a maxi single version in the tradition of singles like The Beautiful Experience and Space that offer variations of the same song. The 11 minute Come version should have been a maxi single version rather than an album version, too, if you ask me. But... What is, is. shrug
[Edited 9/9/05 4:29am]


I love all versions of "Come", but 2 me this one is really da masterpiece, it would have been a shame not 2 put it on the album (IMO, anyway)
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Reply #79 posted 09/11/05 12:13am

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Yeah, for those who haven't heard it, the original version of 'Come' is a totally
different recording of the song. It's shorter and faster, and musically sounds
closer to something like 'Controversy' or 'P. Control', and Prince speaks/raps
most of the lyrics rather than sings them.
[Edited 9/11/05 0:13am]
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Reply #80 posted 09/11/05 6:22am

shaomi

BorisFishpaw said:

Yeah, for those who haven't heard it, the original version of 'Come' is a totally
different recording of the song. It's shorter and faster, and musically sounds
closer to something like 'Controversy' or 'P. Control', and Prince speaks/raps
most of the lyrics rather than sings them.
[Edited 9/11/05 0:13am]


I only have the 1st 2 versions of Come (the 1st one & the Ulysses one) with a VERY poor sound quality. Do they circulate with a good sound quality now?
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Reply #81 posted 09/11/05 6:28am

Imago777

I think the songs and the arrangements of songs on the album is what makes them "a standard contractual obligation"

Prince had better versions of most of these songs placed on the maxi's or in the vault. The versions on COME were overbloated, over produced affairs (the song COME itself got very tiresome to me).

I like the album now more than I did in the past--it's weathered the storm so to speak. Unlike Chaos and Disorder which I liked immediately only to fizzle later.
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Reply #82 posted 09/11/05 7:36am

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shaomi said:

I only have the 1st 2 versions of Come (the 1st one & the Ulysses one) with a VERY poor sound quality. Do they circulate with a good sound quality now?


But... The 1st version of Come IS the Ulysses one, only in Olysses it was cut into parts. confuse

And yes, it has now been bootlegged complete and in great sound quality and segued with Endorphinmachine. razz

I love the way the song is structured, with the pompous intro, the drum beat that is added halfway through and the orgasmic climax. It is a fantastic song. biggrin
[Edited 9/11/05 7:41am]
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Reply #83 posted 09/11/05 3:23pm

shaomi

scififilmnerd said:

shaomi said:

I only have the 1st 2 versions of Come (the 1st one & the Ulysses one) with a VERY poor sound quality. Do they circulate with a good sound quality now?


But... The 1st version of Come IS the Ulysses one, only in Olysses it was cut into parts. confuse

And yes, it has now been bootlegged complete and in great sound quality and segued with Endorphinmachine. razz

I love the way the song is structured, with the pompous intro, the drum beat that is added halfway through and the orgasmic climax. It is a fantastic song. biggrin
[Edited 9/11/05 7:41am]


Well, i think i DO have somewhere a version that is different, sparser than the Ulysses version, bootlegged in 1992 or 1993, i might b wrong but i remember comparing the 2 versions @ the time, & hearing clear differences. Don't anybody remember such a version?
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Reply #84 posted 09/11/05 3:25pm

shaomi

scififilmnerd said:


And yes, it has now been bootlegged complete and in great sound quality and segued with Endorphinmachine. razz


God, i wish i could hear that!!! It wasn't in "The Work" bootleg series, was it?
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Reply #85 posted 09/12/05 2:14am

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shaomi said:

Well, i think i DO have somewhere a version that is different, sparser than the Ulysses version, bootlegged in 1992 or 1993, i might b wrong but i remember comparing the 2 versions @ the time, & hearing clear differences. Don't anybody remember such a version?


Prior to Glam Slam Ulysses, a live version was included on bootlegs of studio tracks, but that sparse version of Come was a live performance. nod
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Reply #86 posted 09/12/05 2:15am

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shaomi said:

It wasn't in "The Work" bootleg series, was it?


Nope. It - along with other tracks from this period - didn't COME out until after The Work was done. biggrin
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Reply #87 posted 09/12/05 7:52am

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Come is a great album...thumbs down to all who dis it. Although...I always forget about it 'till someone else brings it up...I'll then listen to it and thourghly enjoy it.
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Reply #88 posted 09/12/05 7:53am

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scififilmnerd said:

shaomi said:

I only have the 1st 2 versions of Come (the 1st one & the Ulysses one) with a VERY poor sound quality. Do they circulate with a good sound quality now?


But... The 1st version of Come IS the Ulysses one, only in Olysses it was cut into parts. confuse

And yes, it has now been bootlegged complete and in great sound quality and segued with Endorphinmachine. razz

I love the way the song is structured, with the pompous intro, the drum beat that is added halfway through and the orgasmic climax. It is a fantastic song. biggrin
[Edited 9/11/05 7:41am]




YES!...the horn lines are fantasmastic(to steal someone elses word). Rarely do horns reach that register... it's a thing of BEAUTY!
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Reply #89 posted 09/13/05 12:58pm

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"The ratings speak for themselves. 1.605 views! Like with previous Come & Gold era threads, the level of fan interest in this thread just goes to show that this is indeed one of the two most exciting periods in Prince's long history. But where possibly all the facts regarding the 1986 era has been revealed, the riddle of this particular era keeps fans enthralled trying to piece the puzzle together."

star star star star star
- SciFi
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