Then how do you explain the maxi singles? Obviously Prince put
a lot of work into those songs.

Space maxi single and Letitgo maxi single contain about 45
minutes of music each. Completely different versions and a
couple of very cool remixes of those tracks.

Plus, there are about 7 versions of "Come" he recorded that
were never released, but yet slated for a single release at
some point.

Even "Loose" has at least 2 remixes floating about. The same
goes for "Pheromone" which has the instrumental mix and the
more elemantal mix that starts off with some loud ass guitar
keys that sound like a brachiosaurus in a submarine lol.

Also, "Race" had several mixes before it was finally released
on this album. Some of which were superior to the one that he
finally placed on the cd (the one with the long jazzy 1920's
style ending).

Beyond all that, all these songs were recorded at the same
time as the songs that ended up on the "Gold Experience" and
at different times songs from both projects were mingled on
the tracklists before the release of both albums.

Outtakes like "Interactive" were similarly a part of both of
these discs at one point.

So why, just because the album was offered to warners in the
time of the dispute, do people keep insisting that "Gold" is
an album full of stellar songs and that "Come" is nothing but
a mere bag of outtakes?

The changes in sequence for the album and the various acetates
would hint at a very different Princely view on this album.

Take "The vault...Old Friends 4 Sale". Not that's an album full
of songs he just pulled from the vault and gave to them to get
out from under his contract.

But Come? Come on. It's a fine, dark, sexually claustraphobic
album with some top-notch tunes. In fact, all the tunes on it
are superb. The only thing the album might suffer from in some
slight way is that it has no real beginning or end.

The first song is a bit too long to make it a good slamming cut
for opening an album and the closing "orgasm" is simply awfull.
But if it would have better book end songs, I'm sure this would
flow like one of his very best albums.

Anywho. The thing that makes me go is the fact that
Prince himself calls it a "contractual obligation" album.

And that just isn't right. I'm sure it wasn't stricly intended
as such (note the difference in approach between this album and
"The Vault").

Could it be he just chose to throw it into that same bag after
it failed to sell satisfyingly and after it was gunned down by
critics and fans alike??

Not sure. For me personally, the fact remains that this is an
incredible album that I always enjoy listening to. Compared to"
for example "Musicology", this album displays the essence of
Prince's songcraft much much more. "Space" and "Papa" alone are
worth more in his catalogue imo than the entire "Musicology" cd.

I included "Peach" on a version of "Come" too! In order to rock things
up a bit. But I also included "Interactive" instead of "Pope" since I
just can't stand that song

Come IS a 'contractual obligation' album, but that doesn't mean that it's
necessarily full of 'throw away' songs.

Prince doesn't consider the songs themselves as sub-par or throwaway.
It's the album itself which is the issue, not the songs it contains.
This may seem like a strange idea, seeing how an album in one sense is
just a collection of tracks, but it's an important distinction to make.

It's a similar situation to the Apollonia 6 album. That album was
originally going to contain many top-notch tracks like '17 Days',
'Manic Monday' and 'Take Me With U'. The reason these tracks were
not included on the finished album was because Apollonia herself
had no desire to become a singer and permenantly front the band. She
wanted to continue her career as an actress and do her own thing,
but was perfectly happy to promote the Purple Rain movie by fronting
Apollonia 6, releasing the album and appearing live for the duration
of the Purple Rain era. Knowing this, Prince decided not to 'throw away'
some of these better tracks on an album that was going to be a one-off
and replaced them on the album with lesser tracks.

A similar situation (though not quite the same) happened with Come.
All the tracks were written originally with a bigger project in mind.
When the problems with WB came to a head, Prince didn't feel inclined
to give them his best work, and so Come was stripped down to the bare
minimum he could get away with and class it as an 'album'. Prince
basically gave them 'half an album' and padded it out with filler.
This is also the main reason that he used such a long version of the
title track, not because it was 'better' but because it was longer and
would fill up the album more. This is also the reason for the inclusion
of 'Orgasm' too. So it wasn't that the tracks themselves were throwaway
(in most cases) it was that Prince wanted to give them as few tracks
as possible (while still turning in a half-decent album).

IstenSzek said:

Interactive seems a bit too fully-bodied for the Come album. Definitely more suited to Gold. But I agree that the other version of Come would've been a great lead off track. Perhaps LoveSign as the closer. That song always has sounded like it belongs on there to me. Perfect after Letitgo.

shaomi said:

Boris just knows.

I think 'Interactive' would have worked, if were followed by 'Da Bang' and 'Calhoun Square', it would have given light 2 the darkness of the CD.

Cool, Boris.

Eye new what u wanted 2 say.
Just keeping u on ur furry toes...

Prince doesn't CONsider Orgasm 'filler'.

love

It's a similar situation to the Apollonia 6 album. That album was
originally going to contain many top-notch tracks like '17 Days',
'Manic Monday' and 'Take Me With U'. The reason these tracks were
not included on the finished album was because Apollonia herself
had no desire to become a singer and permenantly front the band. She
wanted to continue her career as an actress and do her own thing,
but was perfectly happy to promote the Purple Rain movie by fronting
Apollonia 6, releasing the album and appearing live for the duration
of the Purple Rain era. Knowing this, Prince decided not to 'throw away'
some of these better tracks on an album that was going to be a one-off
and replaced them on the album with lesser tracks.

Come IS a 'contractual obligation' album, but that doesn't mean that it's
necessarily full of 'throw away' songs.

Prince doesn't consider the songs themselves as sub-par or throwaway.
It's the album itself which is the issue, not the songs it contains.
This may seem like a strange idea, seeing how an album in one sense is
just a collection of tracks, but it's an important distinction to make.

It's a similar situation to the Apollonia 6 album. That album was
originally going to contain many top-notch tracks like '17 Days',
'Manic Monday' and 'Take Me With U'. The reason these tracks were
not included on the finished album was because Apollonia herself
had no desire to become a singer and permenantly front the band. She
wanted to continue her career as an actress and do her own thing,
but was perfectly happy to promote the Purple Rain movie by fronting
Apollonia 6, releasing the album and appearing live for the duration
of the Purple Rain era. Knowing this, Prince decided not to 'throw away'
some of these better tracks on an album that was going to be a one-off
and replaced them on the album with lesser tracks.

A similar situation (though not quite the same) happened with Come.
All the tracks were written originally with a bigger project in mind.
When the problems with WB came to a head, Prince didn't feel inclined
to give them his best work, and so Come was stripped down to the bare
minimum he could get away with and class it as an 'album'. Prince
basically gave them 'half an album' and padded it out with filler.
This is also the main reason that he used such a long version of the
title track, not because it was 'better' but because it was longer and
would fill up the album more. This is also the reason for the inclusion
of 'Orgasm' too. So it wasn't that the tracks themselves were throwaway
(in most cases) it was that Prince wanted to give them as few tracks
as possible (while still turning in a half-decent album).

Love it! Even more than Gold actually.

Did someone say "Come"?

I agree with Huey. I love playing the March 1994 configurations of Come and Gold back to back. Why, they were MADE to be played that way.

scififilmnerd said:

hip me one more time to the exact configurations please

purrr

IstenSzek said:

I knew it! You're really Herman in disguise! Surely this proves it.

apart from the 11 minutes version of Come...r there anymore leaked versions?

- Orgasm (Glam Slam Ulysses version, Beautiful Experience version (i ain't sure if these 2 r different or the same)

shaomi said:

There ARE two versions of Poem. The one from the March 1994 configuration of Come and one from 1993 that segues into What's My Name. The difference is that the 1993 version of Poem does not contain the lines that were on the 1994 version which were used as segues on the released Come album.

scififilmnerd said:

yeah but wasn't "Poem" also officially released on an ultra rare
german promo for "Dinner With Delores" ??

P.S.:

Neversin posted a picture of that particular german promo on this thread: http://www.prince.org/msg/7/141904

But the picture is not there anymore?

Also, someone recently posted a picture of the cover for the March 1994 configuration of Come, but I missed it. Could someone please post it again, just for me?

MikeMatronik said:

I ain't sure what u mean by "leaked", but known alternate versions of Come songs r :

- Come (original 1992 version, Glam Slam Ulysses version, Beautiful Experience version)
- Space (Glam Slam Ulysses version, Madhouse 24 version)
- Loose! (Glam Slam Ulysses version, Interactive CD-Rom version, Beautiful Experience version, Crystal Ball version, alternate version of the Crystal Ball version)
- Race (O+> version (not in circulation), Glam Slam Ulysses version (possibly the same as the O+> version), Beautiful Experience version, NPG Ahdio version)
- Orgasm (Glam Slam Ulysses version, Beautiful Experience version (i ain't sure if these 2 r different or the same)

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[Edited 9/8/05 5:39am]

But did Come (4:44) version get leaked?

MikeMatronik said:

These are the "leaked" tracks from the Come/Gold/Chaos And Disorder era that I know of:

1993:
Come #1 (4:45) - segued with...
Endorphin Machine #1 (3:50)
Dark (6:26)
Dolphin (4:57)
Pheromone (4:22)
Loose #1 (3:23)
BET’s Video LP Theme #1 (Pheromone Instrumental) (3:57)
BET’s Video LP Theme #2 (Edit of #1) (3:00)
Space (5:37)
Race #2 (4:03)
Poem (3:36) - segued with What’s My Name (3:09)
Zannalee (2:51)
Interactive #1 (3:04)
Come #2 (Edit of #1) (3:16)
Pope (12" Remix) (6:01)
Pink Cashmere (12" Remix) (6:16)
The Ride #1 (10:53)
Poorgoo #1 (4:24)
Honky-Tonk Woman (3:01)
Bambi (4:03)
Zannalee (Prelude) (0:44)
The Undertaker (9:45)
Dolphin #2 (3:37)
The Ride #2 (Video Version/Edit of #1) (10:33)
Poorgoo #2 (Video Version) (4:26)
Dolphin #3 (Video Version/Mix of #1 and 2) (3:35)
Calhoun Square (4:28)
Shy #1 (4:50)
Gold #1 (5:56)
319 (3:19)
Billy Jack Bitch (7:07)
Chaos And Disorder (4:13)
Right The Wrong (4:42)
Acknowledge Me (6:24)
Come #3 (5:30)
Come #4 (Edit of #3) (3:17)
Race #3 (6:13)
Race #4 (Edit of #3) (5:04)
Loose! #2 (3:27)

1994:
Gold #2 (7:33)
Shy #2 (5:04)
Instrumental (1:29)
Interactive #2 (2:25)
Days Of Wild #1 (6:03)
NPG Operator/Days Of Wild #2 (Edit of #1) (3:55)
NPG Operator/Now (4:46)
Eye Hate U (6:13)
The Beautiful Experience Medley (10:22)
Beautiful (Extended Club Version) (6:25)
Saxophone Version (Brian’s Mix) (4:25)
Beautiful Beats (3:28)
Poem #2 (3:37) - segued with What’s My Name (3:05)
Endorphine Machine #2 (3:48)
Endorphinmachine #3 (Interactive CD-ROM Version) (5:07)
Pussy Control (6:41)
Get Wild (5:36)
Mad (5:33)
Funky Design (3:47)
18 & Over #1 (6:41)
18 & Over #2 (Video Version/Edit of #1) (4:16)
Loose Dub #1 / (Lemme See That Body) Get Loose! (3:47)


[Edited 9/8/05 13:12pm]