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PrintableYeshua4all said: Prince is the greatest because to an almost equal measure, he has all of the attributes that make the other two successful, and all of the things that they lack. He has had and still enjoys real commercial success. He still tours well. but commerical sales he is lacking. only reason Musicology went double platnium was that he gave the record out at the concert. he hasn't had a hit record since D&P. he hasn't really had a big single since the Most Beautiful Girl in the World. You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
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At first thanks 4 all Ur interesting comments! 
4 me P is the winner. 2 b magnetic and interesting musician 4 decades is really a masterpiece. I think Madonna and MJ lost their power, energy 2 make music that really hits. They r always very dependent on their producers, that work on the (pop) sound. Ok, MJ once ruled the world and was the most charismatic man on earth. Also his music was so perfect. I think even P didn´t manage this perfection in singing and dancing. But only P has a real band and plays his really own music. Only he can go in his studio 4 a day 2 produce a whole song and play all the instruments. | |
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1.Michael Jackson 2.Prince 3.Madonna Playing Instruments/Musical Virtuosity 1.Prince 2.Michael Jackson 3.Madonna Dancing 1.Michael Jackson 2.Prince 3.Madonna Songwriting 1.Prince 2.Michael Jackson (close second) 3.Madonna Producing 1.Michael Jackson/Prince 3.Madonna Flamboyancy 1.Prince 2.Michael Jackson 3.Madonna Being a media whore and trying so hard to be controversial, hip and now 1.Madonna (way out in front of the other two) 2.Michael Jackson 3.Prince Madonna hit a low when she did that Britney kiss, it showed her desperation for fame.   "When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all." | |
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lilgish said: DarkKnight1 said: 1984 called, they want their topic back.
Oh damn! Hahahaha... To answer this topic, I would have to say Prince. He has grown the most musically and I would say spiritually in the past twenty years. When he wants to hear new music, he writes it himself rather than bring in the hottest producers to create it for him. He is not only a performer, but a composer with hundreds of registered songs to his credit. He is respected as a musician by his peers. He has yet to face any jail time in his pursuit of either women or Jesus. He is successful on his own terms according to his own schedule. He's shown that he can be successful on any level he wants and can play the media game as well as the next star. Despite Michael's contributions to the music and pop culture world and despite his genuine talent, he has too many credibility issues and is suffering from a number of psychological and emotional disorders. Madonna is nowhere near as talented as these two. She can barely stand in the same room with Prince, Michael Jackson, Bruce Springsteen or even Lionel Ritchie. She has gotten the fame she's received because she is the most successful self-promoter of the 80's and was able to introduce the caucasion, midwestern world to music, styles, and trends created by other people. Madonna is the quintessential 80's pop star that proved that lack of musical ability is no hinderance to making a lot of money. Fifty Cent should write her a check. In da club.  
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ehuffnsd said: Yeshua4all said: Prince is the greatest because to an almost equal measure, he has all of the attributes that make the other two successful, and all of the things that they lack. He has had and still enjoys real commercial success. He still tours well. but commerical sales he is lacking. only reason Musicology went double platnium was that he gave the record out at the concert. he hasn't had a hit record since D&P. he hasn't really had a big single since the Most Beautiful Girl in the World. I hear what you're saying but I think that its more telling that practically every major label would jump be in on distributing his upcoming works. | |
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Yeshua4all said: ehuffnsd said: He still tours well. but commerical sales he is lacking. only reason Musicology went double platnium was that he gave the record out at the concert. he hasn't had a hit record since D&P. he hasn't really had a big single since the Most Beautiful Girl in the World. I hear what you're saying but I think that its more telling that practically every major label would jump be in on distributing his upcoming works. i think all 3 of them would have labels jumping at them. You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
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Yeshua4all said: thEfRIeNdChiP said: These 3 artists made music history - and still do. Who of the so-called Pop-Trinity of the 80´íes is the winner at the end? I don´t mean only moneymaking and number of sold records.
Here’s how I see things. If you are measuring greatness as I do, giving consideration to musicality, performance, commercial success, and perhaps most importantly influence/passed on musical legacy, then Prince stands alone at the top. Let’s look at each one though. Michael has certainly been a force to reckon with in the first three categories. He has some all time jams under his belt. His commercial success is undeniable. One has to take into account all of the years prior to his solo career as the frontman for the J5 and then the Jacksons. Those years both prepared and primed the launch of his solo artist success. He was already cemented within the American musical conscience and had the advantage of doors opened to him that neither Prince nor Madonna could boast when their careers were getting started. By the time Thriller was released, he was also the beneficiary of a few media and cultural phenomena that along with a very slickly produced record were able to put Michael in a place of pop music preeminence for years to come despite the infrequency of new album releases. In as far as performance, Michael is perhaps without peer at what he does. I have often heard or read the term, “great song and dance man” ascribed to Prince. I always take issue with it because it’s simply too narrow and paltry a description of what Prince is all about as a performer and artist. It does however fit Michael like a glove if you will. Also, where is the continuation of Michael’s musical legacy? Does he really have one? I know that we have the Ushers and Justine Timberlakes of the world but their homage to Mike is on the performance side. Who can we say is out there carrying forth his sound or at least some credible offspring of it? Lastly, we have to consider how he has performed as the primary custodian of his own image over the years, and to this present day. Believe me when I tell you that it’s going to be critical in shaping the way history will remember him and he just hasn’t done himself any favors in this regard. Madonna is an interesting one because I argue that she is the only one of the three whose success and celebrity is not rooted primarily in her music but in controversy and her uncanny adeptness at image and media manipulation. Don’t get me wrong. She certainly has had chart success. She has some jams but we invariably have more to say about Madonna herself than her music. Madonna is a gifted and dedicated performer with a penchant for the theatrical and has been a masterful purveyor of “shock value” which of course is not an unknown area for Prince. The difference is that while shock value has always been a kind of condiment for the delicious musical meat that Prince has always served up, one gets the sense that it often passed as meat on Madonna’s musical menu. She works her butt off onstage but as High Priestess of the Cult of Personality, a great deal more of her work has been offstage, and I don’t mean in the studio. Again as in the case of Michael, where is her musical legacy? Is Britney Spears the sum total of her progeny? That’s hardly an immaculate conception if you ask me. Madonna has however tended the garden of her image and celebrity far better Prince or Michael. It’s been her #1 commodity over the years and she has managed to escaped fatal overexposure. Prince is the greatest because to an almost equal measure, he has all of the attributes that make the other two successful, and all of the things that they lack. He has had and still enjoys real commercial success. His level of musicality is matchless. He is the Motzart of his generation. Onstage, with all else being the norm, he is the anomaly, an absolutely wonderful freak of nature. “Song and Dance Man” doesn’t even begin to scratch the surface of all that Prince is. His influence didn’t wait for this current cadre of artists because a number of his own contemporaries were coping his sound to get hit records. The number of artists around today who name Prince as a significant influence on their writing, playing, producing and so forth is too long to even get into. His image has taken some hits due to his own fault for the most part, but even during the worst of all that, his work and the depth of it commanded respect. You simply can’t get around, over or under it, and it is his work and talent alone that has kept him from being written off during the worst of times. Not media hype, not shock and awe tactics or anything else. Not only is he the greatest of the big three but as of today he is also the one best poised to have continued impacting success in the years to come. Just one man’s opinion. Peace.  Beautifully written. I stands back and 
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Could Madonna or MJ just get on the stage and completely enthrall you with his genius like Prince does? Not IMHO, they both need huge backups or people would walk out after 15 minutes. | |
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To be honest, I cant really pick for the sole reason that I love all three of them. I can talk about there pros and cons though:
MJ: If your talking about song and dance men, he's the master. And his voice is fucking amazing, kind of a cross of Sammy Davis Jr. and Judy Garland. I think MJ's biggest downfall, musically that is, was his greed for commercial success. He could have made a truly great album, yet if it didnt have sells that shot through the roof, it was a complete failure. I think he often depends alot on the current hitmakers rather than simply writing his own shit. He's done it before with good results. So why not now? As for PR skills, well...do i really need to get into that? Fuck it...There was a point where all the tales of the Elephant Man and Hyperberic Chambers were actually good PR. It added a mystique to him. Consequently though, he wound up becomind this waxed freak show of pop culture as the rumor mill increased. Allegations of Pedophilia didnt help either. Overall, I think Jacko's a very talented man who somehow fucked himself over inside a pop culture black hole. Madonna: It irritates me when people say she's a no-talent. She's an average singer and a slightly better dancer. Her ability to tap into the dance underground, make it a little more mainstream, and turn it into pop gold is uncanny. But what really makes Madonna, well, Madonna is the fact that she's smart enough to keep herself relevent and get out of a controversy unscathed, something MJ and Prince failed at miserably. Creatively, unlike MJ, she's not afraid to experiment and sound different. Unlike Prince, she can sound different and manage to sell alot of records. Though she may not be the most talented, she does know how to remain on top and sound fresh after more than 20 years in the game. Prince: Prince is probably the most talented. He can sing, write, produce, dance, EVERYTHING. However, for years, he was never able to be relevant. The weird shit he would do was no help. Also, A BIG difference is that he's never been able to satisfy everybody. If he plays artist and makes something totally avant garde of whats going on in pop music, no one pays attention. Yet if he plays rock star and makes a pop album, the fans are pist off. Until Musicology, he wasnt able to satisfy everybody, and even then a few fans were bitchy(dont know why though, Musicology was great). Basically, as far as PR goes, he was in the middle of Madonna and MJ, Madonna being the one with great PR thanx to her stunts and MJ with the worst. He had his downs, but he was never a lost cause. Overall, I think all three are equally great and diverse. MJ influenced the Justins and Ushers, Madonna influenced the Christinas and the Gwens, and Prince influenced the Lennys and the Alicias. They're all high on my book. | |
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I sent this text message to a young woman I was considering for a relationship some time ago and couldn't make up my mind whether to proceed with the whole thing or not:
"a) Michael Jackson b) Madonna c) Prince" She replied "b)". WRONG ANSWER! | |
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Alasseon said: Yeshua4all said: Here’s how I see things. If you are measuring greatness as I do, giving consideration to musicality, performance, commercial success, and perhaps most importantly influence/passed on musical legacy, then Prince stands alone at the top. Let’s look at each one though. Michael has certainly been a force to reckon with in the first three categories. He has some all time jams under his belt. His commercial success is undeniable. One has to take into account all of the years prior to his solo career as the frontman for the J5 and then the Jacksons. Those years both prepared and primed the launch of his solo artist success. He was already cemented within the American musical conscience and had the advantage of doors opened to him that neither Prince nor Madonna could boast when their careers were getting started. By the time Thriller was released, he was also the beneficiary of a few media and cultural phenomena that along with a very slickly produced record were able to put Michael in a place of pop music preeminence for years to come despite the infrequency of new album releases. In as far as performance, Michael is perhaps without peer at what he does. I have often heard or read the term, “great song and dance man” ascribed to Prince. I always take issue with it because it’s simply too narrow and paltry a description of what Prince is all about as a performer and artist. It does however fit Michael like a glove if you will. Also, where is the continuation of Michael’s musical legacy? Does he really have one? I know that we have the Ushers and Justine Timberlakes of the world but their homage to Mike is on the performance side. Who can we say is out there carrying forth his sound or at least some credible offspring of it? Lastly, we have to consider how he has performed as the primary custodian of his own image over the years, and to this present day. Believe me when I tell you that it’s going to be critical in shaping the way history will remember him and he just hasn’t done himself any favors in this regard. Madonna is an interesting one because I argue that she is the only one of the three whose success and celebrity is not rooted primarily in her music but in controversy and her uncanny adeptness at image and media manipulation. Don’t get me wrong. She certainly has had chart success. She has some jams but we invariably have more to say about Madonna herself than her music. Madonna is a gifted and dedicated performer with a penchant for the theatrical and has been a masterful purveyor of “shock value” which of course is not an unknown area for Prince. The difference is that while shock value has always been a kind of condiment for the delicious musical meat that Prince has always served up, one gets the sense that it often passed as meat on Madonna’s musical menu. She works her butt off onstage but as High Priestess of the Cult of Personality, a great deal more of her work has been offstage, and I don’t mean in the studio. Again as in the case of Michael, where is her musical legacy? Is Britney Spears the sum total of her progeny? That’s hardly an immaculate conception if you ask me. Madonna has however tended the garden of her image and celebrity far better Prince or Michael. It’s been her #1 commodity over the years and she has managed to escaped fatal overexposure. Prince is the greatest because to an almost equal measure, he has all of the attributes that make the other two successful, and all of the things that they lack. He has had and still enjoys real commercial success. His level of musicality is matchless. He is the Motzart of his generation. Onstage, with all else being the norm, he is the anomaly, an absolutely wonderful freak of nature. “Song and Dance Man” doesn’t even begin to scratch the surface of all that Prince is. His influence didn’t wait for this current cadre of artists because a number of his own contemporaries were coping his sound to get hit records. The number of artists around today who name Prince as a significant influence on their writing, playing, producing and so forth is too long to even get into. His image has taken some hits due to his own fault for the most part, but even during the worst of all that, his work and the depth of it commanded respect. You simply can’t get around, over or under it, and it is his work and talent alone that has kept him from being written off during the worst of times. Not media hype, not shock and awe tactics or anything else. Not only is he the greatest of the big three but as of today he is also the one best poised to have continued impacting success in the years to come. Just one man’s opinion. Peace. Beautifully written. I stands back and I doubles that | |
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Madonna shouldn't even be mentioned in the same sentence as MJ and Prince | |
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invicible cost $51mil not $30mil and he ended up workin on 80songs b4 he cut them out SEXYMOFO said: DavidEye said: If he's capable of doing so much on his albums,why did 'Invincible' cost over $30 million to make? 
Surely,a person who can play several different instruments could easily produce their own album,right? There are numerous rejected songs written and produced by people like Missy Elliot,David Foster,Lauryn Hill,Wyclef Jean,The Neptunes,and just about every other "hot shot" producer from that period. [Edited 9/1/05 6:15am] Yeah he probably did try to work with those people. However you have to give him more credit than 'he wrote only 2 songs and produced none' |
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Illustrator said: Alasseon said: Beautifully written. I stands back and I doubles that Thanks Appreciate the props from you guys. My aim was to be analytical and fair. If you all are feeling me on this, then it simply means that in all likelihood you see the same things that I do. I know that some believe that this topic is worn out. I understand that. I also know that as the years go by it will continue to be revisited by fans, writers, musicians and everyone in between. Being members of this forum, there's no question as to who the vast majority of us will vote for here. However, on number of threads, I have seen first hand how enthuiasim can run roughshot over objectivity. I'm all for enthusiasim but when objectivity holds sway, the points of ones argument are all the more convincing because the methodology is usually sound. | |
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1958 was a good year for iconic stars to be born.
M MyeternalgrattitudetoPhil&Val.Herman said "We want sweaty truckers at the truck stop! We want cigar puffing men that look like they wanna beat the living daylights out of us" Val"sporking is spooning with benefits" | |
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MIGUELGOMEZ said: 1958 was a good year for iconic stars to be born.
M Particularly in the mid-west. Must've been something in the water. Listen to me on The House of Pop Culture podcast on itunes http://itunes.apple.com/u...d438631917 | |
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npgmaverick said: MIGUELGOMEZ said: 1958 was a good year for iconic stars to be born.
M Particularly in the mid-west. Must've been something in the water. .....Some people think you're kinda smart....
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