Prince needs Props and big stage theatrics 2 do a great concert...Michael Jackson could do his concert in a church hall by candle light and still be amazing...
True they are both amazing performers but there is a good reason Michael's music is more popular and more loved and more well known. U see, as much as Prince is great at what he does and works hard 2 be just that...Michael Jackson is just great..Period. So effortless and soulful as opposed 2 so contrived and gifted. Michael Jackson basically was born with what Prince has worked the last 46 years 2 achieve...Soul. | |
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LadyB0yCabDriver said: Prince needs Props and big stage theatrics 2 do a great concert...Michael Jackson could do his concert in a church hall by candle light and still be amazing...
True they are both amazing performers but there is a good reason Michael's music is more popular and more loved and more well known. U see, as much as Prince is great at what he does and works hard 2 be just that...Michael Jackson is just great..Period. So effortless and soulful as opposed 2 so contrived and gifted. Michael Jackson basically was born with what Prince has worked the last 46 years 2 achieve...Soul. Phew! that was a good one..thanx for the laugh! "not a fan" yeah...ok | |
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Shorty said: LadyB0yCabDriver said: Prince needs Props and big stage theatrics 2 do a great concert...Michael Jackson could do his concert in a church hall by candle light and still be amazing...
True they are both amazing performers but there is a good reason Michael's music is more popular and more loved and more well known. U see, as much as Prince is great at what he does and works hard 2 be just that...Michael Jackson is just great..Period. So effortless and soulful as opposed 2 so contrived and gifted. Michael Jackson basically was born with what Prince has worked the last 46 years 2 achieve...Soul. Phew! that was a good one..thanx for the laugh! also Michael doesn't have crooked teeth like Mr nelson Prince is a great performer but is also 100% contrived..it's all staged...now Michael...he knows how 2 'show soul' it's like the difference between the beauty of an artist's painting and the technical genius of a computer animated cartoon. One U love..the other U merely admire | |
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LadyB0yCabDriver said: Shorty said: Phew! that was a good one..thanx for the laugh! also Michael doesn't have crooked teeth like Mr nelson Prince is a great performer but is also 100% contrived..it's all staged...now Michael...he knows how 2 'show soul' it's like the difference between the beauty of an artist's painting and the technical genius of a computer animated cartoon. One U love..the other U merely admire hmm, who knows what michaels real teeth would have been like? I would rather have the real...crooked toothed prince over the plastic MJ anyday... [Edited 9/2/05 8:23am] "not a fan" yeah...ok | |
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Prince is better. End of fucking discussion. Besides this was settled already in the 80s, for crying out loud. | |
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Novabreaker said: Prince is better. End of fucking discussion. Besides this was settled already in the 80s, for crying out loud.
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I say this as a huge fan of both Prince and MJ.
Just look at 2004: I got to see Prince on a blockbuster/award winning/record breaking/critically acclaimed year of music and tours and tv appearances. I got to see MJ being arrested and in court for possibly molesting young boys (again). MJ's career was (and still is) in the toilet. I wish it weren't but it were. The fact is is that it is much more rewarding for me to be a Prince fan. More music, more tours, more talent. That's it. "New Power slide...." | |
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jacktheimprovident said: Ok I'm gonna try to be objective and calm here. This topic is SOOOO played out, but it's fun to have to restate/reword your opinion every once in a while. Once again, going line by line like I have in all the other Prince vs. So and so or So and so vs. so and so threads
Musicianship-Yes, this is a no brainer, Prince is a vastly superior musician who can solo authoritatively on guitar and keyboards and has his own distinctive style on these plus drums and bass, he is capable of laying all or most of the tracks on his recordings himself, and has earned the respect of many other great players and multi-instrumentalists. Michael usually doesn't play any instruments on his recordings, and the few he has are not particularly impressive. I'm sure Michael can play some simple things on guitar and drums and probably has a basic knowledge of piano too, but until I see him hold down an instrument live, gotta give this category to prince. Vocals-this is a tough call, but I've gotta go with MJ. MJ has an insanely powerful voice and an incredible non-falsetto upper register range that prince can't touch. Prince has an awesome falsetto and fewer vocal gimmicks/mannerisms, and he may have a better lower register, but MJ is easily one of the best male R&B vocalists of all time. If we were comparing Prince to MJ as a child, the discrepancy would be even wider as MJ's younger voice was positively unbeatable. Songwriting-Another tough call, but Prince just has so much more product of such a greater variety than MJ. Both have vast stores of unreleased material, but prince has just covered a much wider range of styles and topics. MJ has made some of the greatest dance songs of all time, but prince is maybe the most accomplished songwriter of his generation, donating songs to many other artists and being covered by a acts in nearly all genres. Prince did have a lot of partners/co-writers who weren't always given their full credit, but MJ performed more songs that he had no role in writing and had more credited help in the arranging/producing of his material. Producing-This isn't really a big deal as I think both of their production styles are too flashy and too 80s, but Prince at least is capable of being more subtle and raw if he wants to and can even escape the "80s" stigma and feel more like the 70s, 60s etc. Mj has always had at least one co-producer and always seems to be more concerned with popularity and chart success and staying hip than prince has (not to say that prince hasn't kept an eye cocked in that direction, but he hasn't compromised his artistry quite as much). Prince beats out MJ in this category, but both have their ups and downs. Live Performance-if we were to measure this by the quantity and variety of performances of their adult careers, this one would go to prince since he's toured more and can do more things on stage than MJ (like PLAY INSTRUMENTS and let his band JAM rather than just having them play the same routine every time). However, MJ, both in the J5 days and for much of his adult career was a simply SPECTACULAR song and dance man, and was uncanny in his ability to work a crowd. Any prince fan who doesn't acknowledge how vastly superior a dancer MJ was(is?) A. hasn't seen enough footage of MJ's jaw-dropping abilities or B. is in just as much denial as they accuse Mj's fans of being. I think Prince is actually a pretty bad dancer (or rather seems either effeminate, silly or over-choreographed) when he's not doing the splits or other faux-godfather moves. Prince, as a dancer, is just an ersatz James Brown with touches of balletic nonsense. Michael was replicating JB and Jackie Wilson's moves when he was a kid (and not in an "ersatz" way either), and while he didn't necessarily "invent" ALL of his moves, he certainly refined, pioneered and perfected many of them. Hell, Gene kelly and Fred Astaire gave Mj props on his dancing, which is just as relevant as Clapton and Santana giving prince props on his guitar chops. If MJ hadn't focused SOOO much on dancing and choreography that he made it virtually impossible to continuously sing live, he would unequivocally beat prince in this category, despite prince's superior skills as an instrumentalist, but as it is, I think I'll call it a draw. Agreeable except for the live performance bit. I'm tired if seeing Mike's moonwalk, yell & spin shit | |
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lilgish said: Mindflux said: Hehehehe - yeah, just look at all those pyrotechnics, lights and glitter - what an artist yea, cause Prince has never used them Didn't say he hadn't - I just wouldn't cite all that stage trickery to justify either of them as performers - dig? ...we have only scratched the surface of what the mind can do...
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LadyB0yCabDriver said: nayroo2002 said: Guitar
Bass Drums Vocals Michael's song Dirty diana has kick ass guitar Billy Jean has amazing bass Remember the time is one of the best drum beats ever Michael can sing in any key is that it? I joined the wrong fan site I ceased to bother reading this thread after your reply, and I'm worried why you would choose that god awful picture of ~MJ as your avatar. Scary shit mate [Edited 9/3/05 6:45am] “If I can shoot rabbits/then I can shoot fascists” | |
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LadyB0yCabDriver said: Prince is a great performer but is also 100% contrived..it's all staged...now Michael...he knows how 2 'show soul' Complete crap as far as i'm concerned, i could never see Michael singing 'The Way You Make Me Feel' to any woman and geniunely meaning it. Prince on the other hand is very honest in his music, when he sings 'Lets Have A Baby' he bloody means it or when he screams in 'Something In The Water (Does Not Compute)' he bares so much emotion and anger, its hard not to believe that he is geniuely hurting when he sings it, you may not agree with what he is saying and that things are the other way when concerned to him and that song in particular, but he bares his side of the story and you can compare to it because of its power and meaning. Don't think of me as an MJ hater; i'm not, infact before i delved into Princes music i was a massive fan of MJs, but there is a reason i now prefer Prince over MJ and any other artist and that is because of these four things: Honesty (Says it all) Comparaison (When U Were Mine - Been there in my life; Strange Relationship - Felt those feelings as well. Just two songs that i can compare with my own life and find meaning out of it via a song) Power and Meaning (with vocals and instruments; live or studio; 'Purple Rain', 'Anna Stesia' and 'Nothing Compares 2 U' make me cry and no other artist has ever touched that emotion quite like Prince has for me) Lyrics (Not necessarily all of them ) 'Maybe, maybe, maybe I could learn 2 love I mean the right way, I mean the only way Perhaps U could show me, baby (show me, baby) Anna Stesia come 2 me Talk 2 me, ravish me Liberate my mind Maybe, maybe, maybe I could learn 2 love If I was just closer 2 somethin' (closer) Closer 2 your higher self I don't know Closer 2 heaven (Maybe) closer 2 God (closer to God) Save me Jesus, I've been a fool How could I forget that U are the rule U are my God, I am Your child From now on, 4 U I shall be wild I shall be quick I shall be strong I'll tell Your story, no matter how long (no matter how... no matter) We're just a play in Your master plan Now, my Lord I understand' ^^ Beat that MJ. If god one day struck me blind,
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Have you heard the end of She's Out of My Life, MJ starts crying. If thats not real emotion, what is? Plus there is real emotion and anger in songs like Billie Jean and Dirty Diana. Both of which are about how women/groupies tried to fuck up both him and his brothers | |
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I Love U,But I Don't Trust U Anymore sounds pretty sincere to me. | |
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SEXYMOFO said: Have you heard the end of She's Out of My Life, MJ starts crying. If thats not real emotion, what is? Plus there is real emotion and anger in songs like Billie Jean and Dirty Diana. Both of which are about how women/groupies tried to fuck up both him and his brothers
Fair points, but to say Prince is contrived compared to MJ is just wrong hence my reply. Sorry if it seemed like i meant that MJ cannot do emotion, because that wasn't my intention i was merely stating my four reasons like the OP asked, with detail of why. If god one day struck me blind,
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I love this posts.
1. Prince plays way better music than Michael Jackson 2. Prince is always changing as a musician, Michael Jackson just hires the hottest producers at the time and then prays that he gets a hit. 3. Prince does not care about making music that gets on the airwaves (the man is a rebel). Michael Jackson wants and needs the public support. Prince cares but not like Mike. 4. Prince is way better talented than Michael. “When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a Communist.” Brazilian bishop Dom Hélder Câmara | |
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JellyBean said: I love this posts.
1. Prince plays way better music than Michael Jackson So why is it that most people can name at least 6 MJ song's but only 1 Prince song? 2. Prince is always changing as a musician, Michael Jackson just hires the hottest producers at the time and then prays that he gets a hit. Bull! MJ has retained the flavour he's known 4 but his voice, moves, singing style and concepts constantly change. On the other hand Prince changes every time we see him but it just seems so contrived and staged...so thought out and unnatural...like when he went from Im a Rock star in Purple rain 2 Im now a Hippy in ATWIAD 2 now I think I'll be a slick Playboy in parade 2 now I'll be a Political activist in SOTT 2 what haven't I done Oh I know! I'll be a spiritual leader in Lovesexy...after that the constant changing just went crazy 3. Prince does not care about making music that gets on the airwaves (the man is a rebel). Michael Jackson wants and needs the public support. Prince cares but not like Mike. Again..nonsense. Prince has tried desperately 2 have hits...ie Rave Un2 Joy fantastic and the awful James brown copy-cat musicology 4. Prince is way better talented than Michael. He's more practised than MJ ie he's obviously practised his instruments alot...but 4 God Given talent...MJ wins hands down and monwalk across the stage beats detroit crawl ANY DAY | |
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LadyB0yCabDriver said: JellyBean said: I love this posts.
1. Prince plays way better music than Michael Jackson So why is it that most people can name at least 6 MJ song's but only 1 Prince song? 2. Prince is always changing as a musician, Michael Jackson just hires the hottest producers at the time and then prays that he gets a hit. Bull! MJ has retained the flavour he's known 4 but his voice, moves, singing style and concepts constantly change. On the other hand Prince changes every time we see him but it just seems so contrived and staged...so thought out and unnatural...like when he went from Im a Rock star in Purple rain 2 Im now a Hippy in ATWIAD 2 now I think I'll be a slick Playboy in parade 2 now I'll be a Political activist in SOTT 2 what haven't I done Oh I know! I'll be a spiritual leader in Lovesexy...after that the constant changing just went crazy 3. Prince does not care about making music that gets on the airwaves (the man is a rebel). Michael Jackson wants and needs the public support. Prince cares but not like Mike. Again..nonsense. Prince has tried desperately 2 have hits...ie Rave Un2 Joy fantastic and the awful James brown copy-cat musicology 4. Prince is way better talented than Michael. He's more practised than MJ ie he's obviously practised his instruments alot...but 4 God Given talent...MJ wins hands down and monwalk across the stage beats detroit crawl ANY DAY You are hilarious, but also you talk total shite. Prince does things Michael Jackson could only dream of. MJ was a fantastic talent, but he ALWAYS had a massive hype machine and a highly talented producer to back him up. MJ pisses over Prince when it comes to dancing and thats about it. His voice is perhaps purer, but he can't sing 'in every key' like you said. MJ's instrumental talent is completely unfounded and would not be in Prince's league anyway. Prince has attempted commercial records that have flopped, but he has also released out there stuff like NEWS and the rainbow children. MJ only releases records he thinks will sell by the million. He'll not take a chance on a record, he hasn't the guts. the funniest thing by far was that Prince's instrumental ability was down to practice, and that MJ's talents were god given. Listen to me son, stay off the drugs ok? and to that end what is he now? Now he's a washed up pervert. End of story. Scary Michael Jackson fanatics aside know this “If I can shoot rabbits/then I can shoot fascists” | |
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JellyBean said: I love this posts.
1. Prince plays way better music than Michael Jackson 2. Prince is always changing as a musician, Michael Jackson just hires the hottest producers at the time and then prays that he gets a hit. 3. Prince does not care about making music that gets on the airwaves (the man is a rebel). Michael Jackson wants and needs the public support. Prince cares but not like Mike. 4. Prince is way better talented than Michael. good points. I would also add that Michael is still do the same ass moon walk | |
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sermwanderer said: LadyB0yCabDriver said: You are hilarious, but also you talk total shite. Prince does things Michael Jackson could only dream of. MJ was a fantastic talent, but he ALWAYS had a massive hype machine and a highly talented producer to back him up. MJ pisses over Prince when it comes to dancing and thats about it. His voice is perhaps purer, but he can't sing 'in every key' like you said. MJ's instrumental talent is completely unfounded and would not be in Prince's league anyway. Prince has attempted commercial records that have flopped, but he has also released out there stuff like NEWS and the rainbow children. MJ only releases records he thinks will sell by the million. He'll not take a chance on a record, he hasn't the guts. the funniest thing by far was that Prince's instrumental ability was down to practice, and that MJ's talents were god given. Listen to me son, stay off the drugs ok? and to that end what is he now? Now he's a washed up pervert. End of story. Scary Michael Jackson fanatics aside know this | |
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LadyB0yCabDriver said: Mindflux said: LadyBoy is obviously playing rope-a-dope and y'all are bitin!
Strange..but true You're not suppose to admit it. What happened to looking innocent. | |
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morningsong said: LadyB0yCabDriver said: Strange..but true You're not suppose to admit it. What happened to looking innocent. Yeah..vanity can be a bitch | |
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SEXYMOFO said: ...I'd even say Invincible was better than Musicology. Why was Musicology tour a big hit? It was cos Prince was playing all his hits and semi-conned people by saying that was the last time he was gonna play them, if he solely played material from TRC...
You are entitled to your opinion and I am far from de-bunking it. But... I attended the One Nite Alone concert at the Kodak theatre, which featured a lot of songs from TRC. Before all the hoopla at the Award shows, when Prince was suppose to be not even a blip on the charts. The theatre sold out twice and they tried to get a third show but Kodak said no. Additionaly he did an afterparty after each concert which also sold tickets through ticketmaster, and it was sold out both nights. Now I don't know the seating capacity of the Kodak Theatre but since Award shows are held there I'm sure it's over 10,000, it looked like a pretty big theatre to me. So that would look like a whole lot of people want to go to his concerts regardless. | |
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LadyB0yCabDriver and SEXYMOFO, i htink i love you. telling the truth and exactly the way it is. the only thing prince is better at is playing instruments, the rest michael wins hands down. | |
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and also most of you prince fams dont know michaels career well enough to judge whos the better dancer, singer, writer, producer etc. as yous dont know what stuff michael produced, what songs he wrote and composed, youve never seen michael performing from the 60's 70's 80's or 90's. never even listened to jackson 5 and the jacksons albums. the only people who can truely judge are those who studied both careers. and most people who have usually end up picking michael | |
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hellomoto said: and also most of you prince fams dont know michaels career well enough to judge whos the better dancer, singer, writer, producer etc. as yous dont know what stuff michael produced, what songs he wrote and composed, youve never seen michael performing from the 60's 70's 80's or 90's. never even listened to jackson 5 and the jacksons albums. the only people who can truely judge are those who studied both careers. and most people who have usually end up picking michael
WRONG WRONG!!!! Most longtime Prince fams know more about michael than his current worshiping fan base. Their might be a few young fams who don't and say stuff "like he only does the moonwalk" but as a Michael Fam, Prince musically eclipsed him....it's the damn truth. [Edited 9/6/05 9:08am] | |
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hellomoto said: LadyB0yCabDriver and SEXYMOFO, i htink i love you. telling the truth and exactly the way it is. the only thing prince is better at is playing instruments, the rest michael wins hands down.
Okay, at the risk of beating a dead horse I have to ask..Is MJ a better songwriter than Prince? | |
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I'd say they're about equal when it comes to songwriting. Sure Michael has done a lot of cheesy save the world shit but then again Prince's lyrics especially on his early albums were almost solely based on sex sex and more sex. | |
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lilgish said: hellomoto said: and also most of you prince fams dont know michaels career well enough to judge whos the better dancer, singer, writer, producer etc. as yous dont know what stuff michael produced, what songs he wrote and composed, youve never seen michael performing from the 60's 70's 80's or 90's. never even listened to jackson 5 and the jacksons albums. the only people who can truely judge are those who studied both careers. and most people who have usually end up picking michael
WRONG WRONG!!!! Most longtime Prince fams know more about michael than his current worshiping fan base. Their might be a few young fams who don't and say stuff "like he only does the moonwalk" but as a Michael Fam, Prince musically eclipsed him....it's the damn truth. [Edited 9/6/05 9:08am] I've been watching MJ since the 70's and still I pick prince over MJ. Sorry MJ turned into a weird freak over the years wich hurt him in many ways. | |
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SEXYMOFO said: I'd say they're about equal when it comes to songwriting. Sure Michael has done a lot of cheesy save the world shit but then again Prince's lyrics especially on his early albums were almost solely based on sex sex and more sex.
I think that is as an absurd statement I've heard in a long time (LOL)...I think you are really missing the point...MJ's songwriting will always be called into question (yes, I know he wrote some of his biggest hits...I'm an oldschool MJ fan) because of his connection to some of the most dominant producers of the day...I mean, really, Prince is known as a prolific songwriter who at his peak was knocking out albums, b-sides, and unreleased shit year after year...I don't think much more has to be said on this topic..Seriously... [Edited 9/6/05 9:55am] | |
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LadyB0yCabDriver said: sermwanderer said: You are hilarious, but also you talk total shite. Prince does things Michael Jackson could only dream of. MJ was a fantastic talent, but he ALWAYS had a massive hype machine and a highly talented producer to back him up. MJ pisses over Prince when it comes to dancing and thats about it. His voice is perhaps purer, but he can't sing 'in every key' like you said. MJ's instrumental talent is completely unfounded and would not be in Prince's league anyway. Prince has attempted commercial records that have flopped, but he has also released out there stuff like NEWS and the rainbow children. MJ only releases records he thinks will sell by the million. He'll not take a chance on a record, he hasn't the guts. the funniest thing by far was that Prince's instrumental ability was down to practice, and that MJ's talents were god given. Listen to me son, stay off the drugs ok? and to that end what is he now? Now he's a washed up pervert. End of story. Scary Michael Jackson fanatics aside know this http://www.samaritans.org.uk/ Help is at hand kiddo, we're here for ya “If I can shoot rabbits/then I can shoot fascists” | |
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