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Printableguitarslinger44 said: Hotlegs said: The fact remains that you are really skirting the issue and you can't handle the truth I am bringing and so be it. No you can keep rolling your eyes until they roll out your head for all I care.  Legs, if you actually want to have a debate then respond to my post with more than your standard, lazy answers. You haven't because I'm guessing you can't. Laura Richardson and I are having a debate, if you wanna do the same, let's do it. But don't sit there and make a bunch of bitchy comments without backing it up. back atcha![Flame snipped - luv4u] | |
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We are all flawed in some way or other - it is what makes us who we are.
But to believe you are faultess is to embrace and be guided by the ego. with Metta, 'nana | |
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BananaCologne said: We are all flawed in some way or other - it is what makes us who we are.
But to believe you are faultess is to embrace and be guided by the ego. with Metta, 'nana  Well Said BC. | |
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also i would like to say no personality is flawed because there is no such thing as the RIGHT personality.. someone's personality is a matter of Taste, you like it or not..
As for Prince's personality i do find it just as interesting because its such an enigma! but i would still love his music just the same as Sade music even knowing completely nothing about her... i just hate it when some celebrities ACT eccentric for the publicity. | |
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ThaCat said: i just hate it when some celebrities ACT eccentric for the publicity.
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onenitealone said: Who doesn't have 'flaws'? That's what makes us human.
And weepingwall - perhaps such people had these 'flaws' to begin with and fame/power accentuated them. NO-ONE is perfect. That's what makes life interesting. In full agreement. | |
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sosgemini said: ThaCat said: i just hate it when some celebrities ACT eccentric for the publicity.
he is a typical one, but i still like him 
here you can add this too 
at times  | |
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Prince has been in situation where he is the boss and able to get things done from a young age.
From what I gather he hasn't had to play for another bandleader or work for someone else. (At least not too long. I understand Grand Central and Pepe.) I imagine that would give you a whole different mindset where you think "I want things THIS way, NOW. Plus with his great creativity it's bound to create a small gap in the "people person" department. He might not discuss the football game down at Home Depot with Joe the clerk because he is thinking of a new song. I don't know how that left brain/right brain thing goes but little things like shooting the s*** or asking about Aunt Lulubelle can get taken up in an artists brain by music. It's like God has this radio station and you can hear it. (I'm not trying to sound "weird and California" here LOL. Can you imagine if they had a DVD recorder you could wear to bed and playback your dreams the next day? | |
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MsLegs said: onenitealone said: You'll have to pick each and every single musician, writer, painter, sculptor, whatever, and compare them, then. Find the ones without character 'flaws'. My guess: you won't find many.  Exactly. Before people put P under a magnifying glass, they should keep in mind that he is artist and is not w/out character flaws just like anybody else.  On a side note, I don't see artist like Ozzie Osborne go through this much scruntiny while and him and his wife have did more heinous shit than P could ever do in lifestyle and the legal department. Talk about a double standard here.
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Excellent point Ms. Legs. I was just discussing this with a friend last night. We were talking about how Prince is automatically called gay or weird and Parliament etc. are considered weird by the mainstream but David "Ziggy Stardust" Bowie is idolized. And let's not even get started on Mick Jagger. Another point, how James Brown is reduced to a laughing stock with his mugshots on T-shirts and while, the fat, fucked up, drugged out Elvis is ignored for the more favorable sanitized skinny "King Of Rock and Roll" god the mainstream idolizes. Or the Jerry Lee Lewis' of the world who marry their 13 year old cousin's and are respected but MJ is vilified. It's all relative, but that's the complexity of the society we live in. Prince is no where near as bad as many people that get passes or second, third, fourth, fifth, or revisionist chances in this society. [Edited 8/15/05 16:29pm] | |
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cranshaw62 said: Prince has been in situation where he is the boss and able to get things done from a young age.
From what I gather he hasn't had to play for another bandleader or work for someone else. (At least not too long. I understand Grand Central and Pepe.) I imagine that would give you a whole different mindset where you think "I want things THIS way, NOW. Plus with his great creativity it's bound to create a small gap in the "people person" department. He might not discuss the football game down at Home Depot with Joe the clerk because he is thinking of a new song. I don't know how that left brain/right brain thing goes but little things like shooting the s*** or asking about Aunt Lulubelle can get taken up in an artists brain by music. It's like God has this radio station and you can hear it. (I'm not trying to sound "weird and California" here LOL. Can you imagine if they had a DVD recorder you could wear to bed and playback your dreams the next day? i dig where u are going with your theory.....right on | |
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DorothyParkerWasCool said: MsLegs said: Exactly. Before people put P under a magnifying glass, they should keep in mind that he is artist and is not w/out character flaws just like anybody else. On a side note, I don't see artist like Ozzie Osborne go through this much scruntiny while and him and his wife have did more heinous shit than P could ever do in lifestyle and the legal department. Talk about a double standard here.
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Excellent point Ms. Legs. I was just discussing this with a friend last night. We were talking about how Prince is automatically called gay or weird and Parliament etc. are considered weird by the mainstream but David "Ziggy Stardust" Bowie is idolized. And let's not even get started on Mick Jagger. Another point, how James Brown is reduced to a laughing stock with his mugshots on T-shirts and while, the fat, fucked up, drugged out Elvis is ignored for the more favorable sanitized skinny "King Of Rock and Roll" god the mainstream idolizes. Or the Jerry Lee Lewis' of the world who marry their 13 year old cousin's and are respected but MJ is vilified. It's all relative, but that's the complexity of the society we live in. Prince is no where near as bad as many people that get passes or second, third, fourth, fifth, or revisionist chances in this society. [Edited 8/15/05 16:29pm]  | |
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DorothyParkerWasCool said: MsLegs said: Exactly. Before people put P under a magnifying glass, they should keep in mind that he is artist and is not w/out character flaws just like anybody else. On a side note, I don't see artist like Ozzie Osborne go through this much scruntiny while and him and his wife have did more heinous shit than P could ever do in lifestyle and the legal department. Talk about a double standard here.
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Excellent point Ms. Legs. I was just discussing this with a friend last night. We were talking about how Prince is automatically called gay or weird and Parliament etc. are considered weird by the mainstream but David "Ziggy Stardust" Bowie is idolized. And let's not even get started on Mick Jagger. Another point, how James Brown is reduced to a laughing stock with his mugshots on T-shirts and while, the fat, fucked up, drugged out Elvis is ignored for the more favorable sanitized skinny "King Of Rock and Roll" god the mainstream idolizes. Or the Jerry Lee Lewis' of the world who marry their 13 year old cousin's and are respected but MJ is vilified. It's all relative, but that's the complexity of the society we live in. Prince is no where near as bad as many people that get passes or second, third, fourth, fifth, or revisionist chances in this society. [Edited 8/15/05 16:29pm] The media used to put "tags" on MJ, P and Whitney. They were either "weird," "bizarre" had "gal pals", etc. Rick James' legacy has now become a Chappelle punchline and various added jokes from the media. I seem to remember Jerry Garcia from The Grateful Dead enjoying life chemically as Rick did. People talk about what a great musician HE was. You can buy one of his ties he painted when he was high for a million bucks. Billy Joel has just as much driving experiences sponsored by Budweiser as Diana Ross and you don't hear about that. Pete Townsend has taken an online trip to his own Neverland and it got tidy up very nicely by the press. This post isn't to add racial division. Just watch the media sometimes and read between the lines. Sometimes they focus on who's "hot" and sometimes they slant things depending on the bias of the writer. Positivity to everyone. | |
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Prince is probably just like 'The Kid' in real life and got bullied in school by people like Morris Day. Minus the slapping girls. | |
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sosgemini said: XxAxX said: i feel sorry for him. if i were him and logged onto this site this thread would probably bug me one way or the other. then again as a fan i feel entitled to discuss his life like it were a book or news article. double standard alert.
regarding losing my anonymity, the ability to enjoy walking down the street in public without being attacked, i wouldn't trade with him for the world. prince chose this path though..he has to take ownership for this..after wed. nights largo show eric clapton and john mayer walked out by themselves and walked down the street...a long long street..we all said hi, they waived and went on.... sade, tracy chapman,robert deniro and heck even JFK JR all walk around their towns and live normal lives....heck, jfk jr took the subway and bike everywhere...some celebrities create these huge persona's, demand fifty million security guards and then wanna know why they get attention? it was soo interesting to see sheryl crow, seal and all these famous folks just chilling and walking up and down LA without zero paparazzi or entourage. it can be done. and prince could still do it..look at madge...she lives normally in london now. Prince no longer has an flank of bodyguards, and in the day when he did they were mainly employed friends. He was giving them jobs (so much for Prince being a mean ol' man). He usually has two, at most, now. And it isnt like he could actually walk around as freely as some of those artists you mentioned. LOL come on now. And of course Sheryl Crow wouldn't need a body guard. She's Sheryl Crow lol.Madonna (your Madge) Im sure has somebody somewhere, and if she doesn't shes crazy. Lennon lived that way and look what happened. And with Zelairias, Natashas, others upset at Princes new religious stance may go to extremes if given the chance. I hardly think Prince is always trying to call attention to himself for taking safety precautions. Some celebs need security and some dont. | |
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If Prince's personality is flawed it's not like he's the only one in the world like that. | |
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mackopolis said: I've just read the Kevin Smith thread and it got me wondering.....I know that he's always sang about love and searching for 'the one' who was 'just around the corner' whilst moaning that he'd 'got a broken heart again' but, really, if you look below the surface.....does Prince seem a little cold and detached??EVIDENCE:he never holds down a relationship (even now reports confirm this!!).....the name change thing (an excuse to not honour his contract while continuing to make money).....what REALLY happened when Mayte had their baby??
I love the blokes music and artistry but, I don't think that I would like to count him as a friend.....he seems a little bit fickle to say the least! What do you think?? I think he does have trust issues due to his upbringing. I mean he was basically a foster kid in some aspects. I remember he talked about being kicked out of his home and begging his father to allow him back and his dad told him no. He ended up of course living in a basement of Andre's mothers house. Now that right there is enough to form some strong relationship problems. However regardles of all the reports of Prince being a cold callous s.o.b., I think some of it stems from trying to have some sort of control/structure that he did not get in his youth as well. He became a signed artists soon after high school so he never got a chance to flesh out situations and live certain experiences . He became somewhat sheltered and living a more esteemed life so no growing was done as he would have had sans money and a different lifestyle. And one needs to realize that his treatment of band mates have not been as bad as some folks think. I mean these were band members and not all were best buddies growing up. They were hired to do a job. That they became tight through it all was gravy. So when strife happened, it isn't as tragic as it appears. I mean we all love Wendy but in essence, Prince had only known her for relatively around 5 years, and that was after he was already way established. I'm thinking Lisa brough her on at around 1981 Controversy tour since on 1999 she shared some vocal work (DMSR etc). And the fact that Prince did employ his friends as business associates in some capacity is telling as well. It may have not been good business sense but it shows he IS comapssionate and not this little ogre/imp everyone accuses him of. Hell, the famed August 1983 show was a benefit to help a struggling dance comapny he became aware of while preparing for Purple Rain film production. And I felt the same thing in the late 90's when he gave of all rappers to help, Dougie Fresh something to do. Im sure Doug wasn't living off the high horse but Prince gave some of these folks a second shot at least. So all n all I think Prince, for whatever reasons (a different post altogether-race:suing folks:dark music)) gets this negative connotation about his "personality." . [Edited 8/27/05 11:05am] | |
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Prince has a flawed personality ?
I can think of so called normal social people who I think have flawed personalities, ie they always have to be part of a group which is how "normal" people live. There all the same and have no idea who they are, nobody will say there weird etc because of of these people say and do the same things. Anybody who doesn't conform is seen as weird, cold etc, and that's why Prince is seen as weird. He lives his life how he wants, it's a reculsive life but that has to do with fame and his experiences from his childhood of not being able to trust and depend on family members who were supposed to care for him. Prince is obviously a fickle person, I don't know him on a personal level but maybe him keeping a distance from people keeps him sane, because friends and family can cause problems. As for Prince not walking the streets like Madonna, Sade well Madonna has always has bodygardes near her, and she's on of the most unprocable and rude stars in regard to her being greatful to her fans (I hate Madonna). And Sade, she may have a lot of respect in the music business but she not a huge Icon in the sense Prince is so she will need hardly any security. I think Prince is a level head person who comes across as weird in the media and to distant associates, to those close to him I presume he's a pretty straight forward well-adjusted person. I would much prefer Prince to stay the way he is than be a boring bland f*cker like Sting (I can't stand Sting). Power To The Weird People ! | |
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One thing I do wonder about is why Prince hasn't tried having children again. The lose of his child with Mayte must have had an effect on him, as that is a horrible thing for new parents to experience. | |
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Isolar said: One thing I do wonder about is why Prince hasn't tried having children again.
How do you know he hasn't? | |
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DorothyParkerWasCool said: MsLegs said: Exactly. Before people put P under a magnifying glass, they should keep in mind that he is artist and is not w/out character flaws just like anybody else. On a side note, I don't see artist like Ozzie Osborne go through this much scruntiny while and him and his wife have did more heinous shit than P could ever do in lifestyle and the legal department. Talk about a double standard here.
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Excellent point Ms. Legs. I was just discussing this with a friend last night. We were talking about how Prince is automatically called gay or weird and Parliament etc. are considered weird by the mainstream but David "Ziggy Stardust" Bowie is idolized. And let's not even get started on Mick Jagger. Another point, how James Brown is reduced to a laughing stock with his mugshots on T-shirts and while, the fat, fucked up, drugged out Elvis is ignored for the more favorable sanitized skinny "King Of Rock and Roll" god the mainstream idolizes. Or the Jerry Lee Lewis' of the world who marry their 13 year old cousin's and are respected but MJ is vilified. It's all relative, but that's the complexity of the society we live in. Prince is no where near as bad as many people that get passes or second, third, fourth, fifth, or revisionist chances in this society. [Edited 8/15/05 16:29pm] ----- I have been saying this for years. Why is it okay for other rockers to do weird shit and the public and the media don't bat a eyeball. I am not even going to go into "Prince wears make-up he must be gay." I guess not one noticed the gobs of make-up Green Day has been wearing (LOL) I will not go into why a man that is 5'3 and 130 lbs has bodyguards. I guess people would be happy if he got shot like John Lennon. | |
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DiamondGirl said: mackopolis said: I've just read the Kevin Smith thread and it got me wondering.....I know that he's always sang about love and searching for 'the one' who was 'just around the corner' whilst moaning that he'd 'got a broken heart again' but, really, if you look below the surface.....does Prince seem a little cold and detached??EVIDENCE:he never holds down a relationship (even now reports confirm this!!).....the name change thing (an excuse to not honour his contract while continuing to make money).....what REALLY happened when Mayte had their baby??
I love the blokes music and artistry but, I don't think that I would like to count him as a friend.....he seems a little bit fickle to say the least! What do you think?? I think he does have trust issues due to his upbringing. I mean he was basically a foster kid in some aspects. I remember he talked about being kicked out of his home and begging his father to allow him back and his dad told him no. He ended up of course living in a basement of Andre's mothers house. Now that right there is enough to form some strong relationship problems. However regardles of all the reports of Prince being a cold callous s.o.b., I think some of it stems from trying to have some sort of control/structure that he did not get in his youth as well. He became a signed artists soon after high school so he never got a chance to flesh out situations and live certain experiences . He became somewhat sheltered and living a more esteemed life so no growing was done as he would have had sans money and a different lifestyle. And one needs to realize that his treatment of band mates have not been as bad as some folks think. I mean these were band members and not all were best buddies growing up. They were hired to do a job. That they became tight through it all was gravy. So when strife happened, it isn't as tragic as it appears. I mean we all love Wendy but in essence, Prince had only known her for relatively around 5 years, and that was after he was already way established. I'm thinking Lisa brough her on at around 1981 Controversy tour since on 1999 she shared some vocal work (DMSR etc). And the fact that Prince did employ his friends as business associates in some capacity is telling as well. It may have not been good business sense but it shows he IS comapssionate and not this little ogre/imp everyone accuses him of. Hell, the famed August 1983 show was a benefit to help a struggling dance comapny he became aware of while preparing for Purple Rain film production. And I felt the same thing in the late 90's when he gave of all rappers to help, Dougie Fresh something to do. Im sure Doug wasn't living off the high horse but Prince gave some of these folks a second shot at least. So all n all I think Prince, for whatever reasons (a different post altogether-race:suing folks:dark music)) gets this negative connotation about his "personality." . [Edited 8/27/05 11:05am] i agree with u 100% [Edited 8/28/05 2:46am] | |
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