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Printablekrayzie said: Aerogram said: 1. Prince definitely is more skilled and polished as a singer.` 2. As a songwriter, you say that Prince had "the benefit" of nearly two decades of popular music. Likewise, Sly had the advantage of coming on the scene at the time he did, instead of during the musically-dubious eighties. While Sly's music is more important in the history of rock overall, Prince has accomplished something, putting out the music he did during such a period and keeping the flame alive for funk and r n b. Not all his foreys were successful, but then again he had "the benefit" of over two decades to make mistakes and flop, compared to Sly's couple of years. 3. Prince can't help being too young to record at the same time Sly did, so it's pointless to evaluate him based on the music he might have made. His work from Dirty Mind to Lovesexy was a feat given the musical climate of his time and that's all that matters when you compare two great producers. Sly was certainly more innovative and influential, but again, he came earlier. All the folks from the Golden Age of Psychedelia will retain their credentials.` 4. Prince is the better musician overall simply because of his expressivity on guitar and keys as well as hiw prowesess as a live performer. I respect Prince a lot... But the BIG difference between Sly and Prince is that Sly seemed way more innovative and creative... In Sly's era they were SO MANY great genius/multi instrumentalists... From Jimi to Stevie, from David Bowie to Paul Mcartney... And most important, all these artist redefined the Music, and all these artists were VERY innovative... The rivalry was big, it was way more difficult to be on top all the time, because there were so many talented artists... Prince on the other side was absolutely ALL ALONE in the 80's ... No concurrency, no rival, no adversary, no opponent... nothing... So Prince's impact and talent look bigger, than Sly... So that's the reason why his career lasts longer... Plus saying Prince is a better overall musician, I say NO, he was only a better guitarist... and everybody knows why... [Edited 8/13/05 7:28am] I agree, Prince is great but Sly was greater in his day. | |
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gives us the technical part comparison i dont have a fucking clue to be honest but as a show prince wins by far | |
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Bottom line-- Prince owes a lot to Sly (and to others). However, Prince can do a lot of things Sly couldn't do. If you line them both up side by side, Prince just has more weapons, more variety, etc.
It is pointless to argue the quality of their output, just as it is pointless to punish Prince for being born after Sly. "New Power slide...." |
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skywalker said: Bottom line-- Prince owes a lot to Sly (and to others). However, Prince can do a lot of things Sly couldn't do. If you line them both up side by side, Prince just has more weapons, more variety, etc.
It is pointless to argue the quality of their output, just as it is pointless to punish Prince for being born after Sly. Prince can do a lot of things (tell me what?) that Sly couldn't do BECAUSE Prince has been INFLUENCED BY A LOT OF GREAT ARTISTS THAT SLY DIDN'T KNOW AS A KID ... Just a question, Could Prince have been as great as he is if he was born the same year as Sly ??? Growing up without the BIG influences of James Brown, Jimi Hendrix, Stevie Wonder, the Beatles, George Clinton, Bootsy Clinton, Ricky James... etc Tell me, could he have been as great he is ??? Could he have been such a great guitarist without the influences of Jimi ?? Could he have been such a great P-funk Master without the influences of George Clinton ? Could he have been such a great bass player without the influences of Graham or Collins ??? Could he have been such good dancer/performer without the influences of James Brown ?? etc... That's the real question... The big difference is there, growin up with all these influences help you a lot... A LOT... Of course Prince is the biggest artist of his generation, and a true genius... But the position of Sly was different... Sly didn't grow up with all these artists... His style is more original and innovative... When he came up with his band he was THE FIRST to incorporate black and white musicians... He was one of the first to mix rock, funk and soul in the same time... It was very new... If Sly was born in 1958, and grew up with the influences of the greatest artists of the 70's, he could have been a FUCKIN serious rival for Prince... [Edited 8/13/05 16:32pm] | |
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krayzie said: Sly vs Prince : Who's the best ??
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krayzie said: skywalker said: Bottom line-- Prince owes a lot to Sly (and to others). However, Prince can do a lot of things Sly couldn't do. If you line them both up side by side, Prince just has more weapons, more variety, etc.
It is pointless to argue the quality of their output, just as it is pointless to punish Prince for being born after Sly. Prince can do a lot of things (tell me what?) that Sly couldn't do BECAUSE Prince has been INFLUENCED BY A LOT OF GREAT ARTISTS THAT SLY DIDN'T KNOW AS A KID ... Just a question, Could Prince have been as great as he is if he was born the same year as Sly ??? Growing up without the BIG influences of James Brown, Jimi Hendrix, Stevie Wonder, the Beatles, George Clinton, Bootsy Clinton, Ricky James... etc Tell me, could he have been as great he is ??? Could he have been such a great guitarist without the influences of Jimi ?? Could he have been such a great P-funk Master without the influences of George Clinton ? Could he have been such a great bass player without the influences of Graham or Collins ??? Could he have been such good dancer/performer without the influences of James Brown ?? etc... That's the real question... The big difference is there, growin up with all these influences help you a lot... A LOT... Of course Prince is the biggest artist of his generation, and a true genius... But the position of Sly was different... Sly didn't grow up with all these artists... His style is more original and innovative... When he came up with his band he was THE FIRST to incorporate black and white musicians... He was one of the first to mix rock, funk and soul in the same time... It was very new... If Sly was born in 1958, and grew up with the influences of the greatest artists of the 70's, he could have been a FUCKIN serious rival for Prince... [Edited 8/13/05 16:32pm] I know it doesn't seem this way sometimes, but there was music before Sly. He had an influence or two. I must admit it would have been great to see some serious "competition" for Prince during his heyday. Outside of Rick James there really was nothing. Sorry MJ fans, but I'm talking musicians not just pop-songwriters and performers. Prince might've had a hard time getting noticed amongst the likes of Stevie, Sly, and Jimi. Then again the drive, focus, vision and talent that culminated in 1999 and Purple Rain would still be there, so who knows? Like I said it was by design that Prince came later. So maybe Prince didn't invent the wheel.... (insert bad little red corvette joke here).  |
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sosgemini said: kpowers said: no... prince had the gift in him (with or without sly) bullshit....prince is a genius at "borrowing" previous used idears and perfecting them....if it wasnt for "every day people" there would never be "1999".....prince himself has admited that was the vibe he was going for..... now, this is all IMHO...but if there wasn't sly i highly doubt prince would have achieved the same career he had..sure, he might have had a couple hits...but, who the fuck knows? sorry to burst peoples bubbles....but i look at folks like TTD, P. Rushen, Ashford & Simpsons (solo), heck even wendy and lisa...and i see artist that are wonderfully talented that never achieved major longterm success.....i cant help to keep that in perspective and realize if prince hadnt had the influences he had....hadnt "gunned" to match or meet these folks, he never would have achieved the career he had..and would all be fans of a forgotten star who could have been... trust, i know...im a huge wendy and lisa fan...and the path their career led them amounted to zero popular success...one different turn could have changed all that...thus i understand that one different turn could have turned prince into an obscure ttd-like powerhouse... Prince's idea of creating a multiracial band (The Revolution) was Sly's idea first (The Family Stone)!  | |
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