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PrintableThumparello said: whodknee said: As for the question. That's really unanswerable to be honest. Let's put it this way. There's nobody I've heard of, save for maybe Jimi, that I'd say is better than either of these two. Of course, you could argue that too.
They'll never be another Sly or Prince. They have both made an incredible contribution to music . That question will be left up for music history to decide. 
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whodknee said: sosgemini said: bullshit....prince is a genius at "borrowing" previous used idears and perfecting them....if it wasnt for "every day people" there would never be "1999".....prince himself has admited that was the vibe he was going for..... now, this is all IMHO...but if there wasn't sly i highly doubt prince would have achieved the same career he had..sure, he might have had a couple hits...but, who the fuck knows? sorry to burst peoples bubbles....but i look at folks like TTD, P. Rushen, Ashford & Simpsons (solo), heck even wendy and lisa...and i see artist that are wonderfully talented that never achieved major longterm success.....i cant help to keep that in perspective and realize if prince hadnt had the influences he had....hadnt "gunned" to match or meet these folks, he never would have achieved the career he had..and would all be fans of a forgotten star who could have been... trust, i know...im a huge wendy and lisa fan...and the path their career led them amounted to zero popular success...one different turn could have changed all that...thus i understand that one different turn could have turned prince into an obscure ttd-like powerhouse... I don't mean to pick on you, but that's ridiculous. Unlike the others you mentioned, Prince is one of the greats because of his vision. It takes more than the talent these folks you mentioned have to be huge. There is no alternate universe where TTD, Wendy and Lisa, and Ashford and Simpson of all people are great on the level of Prince. You're kidding yourself if you think that. I do agree that Prince had help-- hell we all have help just to make it past birth-- but it's more than chance and luck. It's by design that Prince is who he is. dont take statements too literal buddy...and when we are dealing with opinions and taste you cant really "dispute" anything... i, personally think ttd, wendy and lisa and ashford and simpson are all equally as talented as prince, musically... i think you need to re-read my statement...minus any frustrations you might have felt initially..because my original statement does not contradict yours..  Space for sale... | |
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SPYZFAN1 said: Cats like Prince and Rick James picked up the ball where Sly dropped it off.
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Ok, I am not an expert on Sly by any means so I am highly handicapped, but just throwing something out for discussion: I can't remember where I read it but I recall reading on some bio that Prince can play at least 16 differant instruments. Can anyone confirm or deny this? Also the fact that Prince has never had any formal musical training and has taught himself how to play all the instruments that he knows how to. Like I said, I am not an expert on Sly and unfortunatly it sounds like we can not confirm how many instruments Sly can play. I think IMHO Prince is better to me because of his abilty to last as long as he has. Granted he may not be the biggest thing on the planet like he was at points during the 80's but anyone that can last that long and cross all sorts of musical genre's has got to be the best. Prince to me is on the level of a Motzart, where every ounce of blood flowing through his veins is music. Prince eats,sleeps and lives music. Once again, it is just my VERY humble opinion and I just wanted to throw that out there for discusssion. [Edited 8/1/05 19:30pm] If u and I were just ten feet closer, then I'd make u understand
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PurpleKnight said: I never saw the appeal in Sly's music, really. A lot of his songs sound the same and just don't hook me.
I know how influential and important he is in music history, but he just doesn't connect with me. [Edited 8/1/05 12:02pm] U SOUND LIKE SOMEONE THAT REALLY KNOWS FUNK...  | |
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RobDogg27 said: Ok, I am not an expert on Sly by any means so I am highly handicapped, but just throwing something out for discussion: I can't remember where I read it but I recall reading on some bio that Prince can play at least 16 differant instruments. Can anyone confirm or deny this? Also the fact that Prince has never had any formal musical training and has taught himself how to play all the instruments that he knows how to. Like I said, I am not an expert on Sly and unfortunatly it sounds like we can not confirm how many instruments Sly can play. I think IMHO Prince is better to me because of his abilty to last as long as he has. Granted he may not be the biggest thing on the planet like he was at points during the 80's but anyone that can last that long and cross all sorts of musical genre's has got to be the best. Prince to me is on the level of a Motzart, where every ounce of blood flowing through his veins is music. Prince eats,sleeps and lives music. Once again, it is just my VERY humble opinion and I just wanted to throw that out there for discusssion.
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RobDogg27 said: Ok, I am not an expert on Sly by any means so I am highly handicapped, but just throwing something out for discussion: I can't remember where I read it but I recall reading on some bio that Prince can play at least 16 differant instruments. Can anyone confirm or deny this? Also the fact that Prince has never had any formal musical training and has taught himself how to play all the instruments that he knows how to. Like I said, I am not an expert on Sly and unfortunatly it sounds like we can not confirm how many instruments Sly can play. I think IMHO Prince is better to me because of his abilty to last as long as he has. Granted he may not be the biggest thing on the planet like he was at points during the 80's but anyone that can last that long and cross all sorts of musical genre's has got to be the best. [Edited 8/1/05 19:30pm]
I know that his father taught him to play piano... But nobody knows exactely how many instruments he plays... | |
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RobDogg27 said: Ok, I am not an expert on Sly by any means so I am highly handicapped, but just throwing something out for discussion: I can't remember where I read it but I recall reading on some bio that Prince can play at least 16 differant instruments. Can anyone confirm or deny this? Also the fact that Prince has never had any formal musical training and has taught himself how to play all the instruments that he knows how to. Like I said, I am not an expert on Sly and unfortunatly it sounds like we can not confirm how many instruments Sly can play. I think IMHO Prince is better to me because of his abilty to last as long as he has. Granted he may not be the biggest thing on the planet like he was at points during the 80's but anyone that can last that long and cross all sorts of musical genre's has got to be the best. Prince to me is on the level of a Motzart, where every ounce of blood flowing through his veins is music. Prince eats,sleeps and lives music. Once again, it is just my VERY humble opinion and I just wanted to throw that out there for discusssion.
[Edited 8/1/05 19:30pm] The initial press release for Prince's first album listed 23 different instruments, but that was counting different keyboards and synthesizers separately. Prince plays normal and bass guitar, piano and keyboards, and drums and percussion. Most of his colleagues have attested that he cannot play any other instruments. Some people on this site have claimed they might have heard that candy dulfur has heard (how's that for hearsay) a recording of prince playing the saxophone (which he did play in junior high but gave up in eigth grade) but even those rumors say that prince's playing was poor and that prince doesn't have the embouchure to play sax or wind instruments well. I believe that that very bad, very grating harmonica bit on the extended mix of rasberry beret is prince , but it certainly isn't good enough to consider him a true player. Sly has played all the same instruments as prince and has also played harmonica and trumpet (he's very good on the former). I agree that prince has been more prolific and consistent than Sly, but in his prime few musicians have made such a huge impact on popular music in such a short time than Sly (Jimi is certainly another). | |
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sosgemini said: whodknee said: I don't mean to pick on you, but that's ridiculous. Unlike the others you mentioned, Prince is one of the greats because of his vision. It takes more than the talent these folks you mentioned have to be huge. There is no alternate universe where TTD, Wendy and Lisa, and Ashford and Simpson of all people are great on the level of Prince. You're kidding yourself if you think that. I do agree that Prince had help-- hell we all have help just to make it past birth-- but it's more than chance and luck. It's by design that Prince is who he is. dont take statements too literal buddy...and when we are dealing with opinions and taste you cant really "dispute" anything... i, personally think ttd, wendy and lisa and ashford and simpson are all equally as talented as prince, musically... i think you need to re-read my statement...minus any frustrations you might have felt initially..because my original statement does not contradict yours.. We agree as to not knowing how things would turn out were things different. However, what we disagree on is the amount of potential in these musicians. It's like saying that had things gone differently Scottie Pippen could have been as good as Michael Jordan.  There is no way those artists could have been like Prince, musically or otherwise. Hell, they've had the platform. What else could they need?
Like I said, it takes more than talent and chance. As for frustrations: let's just say I'm not the Wendy and Lisa fan here.  [Edited 8/2/05 16:00pm] |
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whodknee said: sosgemini said: dont take statements too literal buddy...and when we are dealing with opinions and taste you cant really "dispute" anything... i, personally think ttd, wendy and lisa and ashford and simpson are all equally as talented as prince, musically... i think you need to re-read my statement...minus any frustrations you might have felt initially..because my original statement does not contradict yours.. We agree as to not knowing how things would turn out were things different. However, what we disagree on is the amount of potential in these musicians. It's like saying that had things gone differently Scottie Pippen could have been as good as Michael Jordan. There is no way those artists could have been like Prince, musically or otherwise. Hell, they've had the platform. What else could they need?
Like I said, it takes more than talent and chance. As for frustrations: let's just say I'm not the Wendy and Lisa fan here.
[Edited 8/2/05 16:00pm] you keep talking as if your opinions are the truth..which they arent..if you feel that way, more power to you..i happen to have a different take on it.... and dont forget not only does it take talent but it also takes "luck"...something that doesnt require any talent what so ever..... the world is full of beautiful grey's my friend....  Space for sale... | |
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RobDogg27 said: Ok, I am not an expert on Sly by any means so I am highly handicapped, but just throwing something out for discussion: I can't remember where I read it but I recall reading on some bio that Prince can play at least 16 differant instruments. Can anyone confirm or deny this? Also the fact that Prince has never had any formal musical training and has taught himself how to play all the instruments that he knows how to. Like I said, I am not an expert on Sly and unfortunatly it sounds like we can not confirm how many instruments Sly can play. I think IMHO Prince is better to me because of his abilty to last as long as he has. Granted he may not be the biggest thing on the planet like he was at points during the 80's but anyone that can last that long and cross all sorts of musical genre's has got to be the best. Prince to me is on the level of a Motzart, where every ounce of blood flowing through his veins is music. Prince eats,sleeps and lives music. Once again, it is just my VERY humble opinion and I just wanted to throw that out there for discusssion.
[Edited 8/1/05 19:30pm] SLY AND THE FAMILY CLONE HAS A NEW LP COMING THIS YEAR!!! THAT'S RIGHT HE'S COMING BACK. FUNK GETS STRONGER. | |
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SPYZFAN1 said: Cats like Prince and Rick James picked up the ball where Sly dropped it off. Yep. Sly was definately an influence for both of them. At first, I didn't think Sly was one of Rick's influences until I saw some early pictures of Rick in his group, Great White Cane. Rick had a Sly/Jimi Hendrix look going on. Andy is a four letter word. | |
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vainandy said: Yep. Sly was definately an influence for both of them. At first, I didn't think Sly was one of Rick's influences until I saw some early pictures of Rick in his group, Great White Cane. Rick had a Sly/Jimi Hendrix look going on. Yeah Rick's group in the UK was definitely Jimi and Sly influence and you can tell that by the clothing. | |
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jacktheimprovident said: Aerogram said: 1, Prince is technically a better singer. 2. Because he came earlier, Sly has the advantage of being the groundbreaker, but I think Prince has shown himself to be a more adept songwriter in terms of styles, going deeper into some of them. Of course, that does not make the more important songwriter. Sly came first and did all these seminal songs. 3. I would say Sly did much better considering Prince's work in the 90s, but Prince gets points for humanizing lynn machines -- you can't discard him for his contribution to the 80's sound when he was one of the few examples of this sound's potential for being personal. 4. No way this a tie -- with Prince, it's not a question of him maybe playing this or that bit. You know he did and he did on stage too on occasion -- plus he is the better live performer by a mile. [Edited 8/1/05 9:11am] 1.I'm not so sure about that, I think there are definitely things that sly could do with his voice that prince couldn't and vice versa. I'm not claiming to be an expert on vocal technique, but I think the question is more ambiguous. 2.I agree for the most part. I don't think that prince's greater stylistic range makes him better since he had the benefit of nearly two decades of popular music that sly didn't, and prince didn't exactly master everything he tried, nor is eclecticism the only measurement of songwriting prowess. We also have no idea what kind of music Sly's been making since his commercial absence, but reports from those who've heard it say it may turn a few heads if it was ever released. 3. I agree with what you're saying, I think prince definitely used drum machines in a very innovative and humanized way, but I think he would've sounded better if his career occured a decade or so earlier and the overall sound of much of his music is a major turnoff to most people I've tried to turn on to prince, I haven't had the same problem with Sly. Incidentally Sly was perhaps THE first person to use drum machines on his recordings. 4.Again, I think the question is more ambiguous than you realize. Bootsy Collins, who is himself a multi-instrumentalist virtuoso and one of THE bass masters says that Sly is the most talented musician he's ever worked with, and Bootsy's worked with Eddie Hazel, Junie Morrison (who was making one-man funk jam albums before prince's career started), Mike Hampton, Buckethead, Bernie Worrell (and he must have met and jammed with prince at SOME point) and many other instrumental wizards. Larry Graham, who was proficient on drums, guitar, saxophone, and harmonica as well as being a master of the bass considers Sly the true leader and the greatest talent in the Family Stone. Esteem from his colleagues aside, I know that Sly can play more instruments than prince and that the only instrument that I know for sure Prince can play better than Sly is the guitar, and even that I'm not entirely positive about. 1. Prince definitely is more skilled and polished as a singer.` 2. As a songwriter, you say that Prince had "the benefit" of nearly two decades of popular music. Likewise, Sly had the advantage of coming on the scene at the time he did, instead of during the musically-dubious eighties. While Sly's music is more important in the history of rock overall, Prince has accomplished something, putting out the music he did during such a period and keeping the flame alive for funk and r n b. Not all his foreys were successful, but then again he had "the benefit" of over two decades to make mistakes and flop, compared to Sly's couple of years. 3. Prince can't help being too young to record at the same time Sly did, so it's pointless to evaluate him based on the music he might have made. His work from Dirty Mind to Lovesexy was a feat given the musical climate of his time and that's all that matters when you compare two great producers. Sly was certainly more innovative and influential, but again, he came earlier. All the folks from the Golden Age of Psychedelia will retain their credentials.` 4. Prince is the better musician overall simply because of his expressivity on guitar and keys as well as hiw prowesess as a live performer. | |
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I lost all respect for Sly after "Stop or my mom will shoot"
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Aerogram said: jacktheimprovident said: 1.I'm not so sure about that, I think there are definitely things that sly could do with his voice that prince couldn't and vice versa. I'm not claiming to be an expert on vocal technique, but I think the question is more ambiguous. 2.I agree for the most part. I don't think that prince's greater stylistic range makes him better since he had the benefit of nearly two decades of popular music that sly didn't, and prince didn't exactly master everything he tried, nor is eclecticism the only measurement of songwriting prowess. We also have no idea what kind of music Sly's been making since his commercial absence, but reports from those who've heard it say it may turn a few heads if it was ever released. 3. I agree with what you're saying, I think prince definitely used drum machines in a very innovative and humanized way, but I think he would've sounded better if his career occured a decade or so earlier and the overall sound of much of his music is a major turnoff to most people I've tried to turn on to prince, I haven't had the same problem with Sly. Incidentally Sly was perhaps THE first person to use drum machines on his recordings. 4.Again, I think the question is more ambiguous than you realize. Bootsy Collins, who is himself a multi-instrumentalist virtuoso and one of THE bass masters says that Sly is the most talented musician he's ever worked with, and Bootsy's worked with Eddie Hazel, Junie Morrison (who was making one-man funk jam albums before prince's career started), Mike Hampton, Buckethead, Bernie Worrell (and he must have met and jammed with prince at SOME point) and many other instrumental wizards. Larry Graham, who was proficient on drums, guitar, saxophone, and harmonica as well as being a master of the bass considers Sly the true leader and the greatest talent in the Family Stone. Esteem from his colleagues aside, I know that Sly can play more instruments than prince and that the only instrument that I know for sure Prince can play better than Sly is the guitar, and even that I'm not entirely positive about. 1. Prince definitely is more skilled and polished as a singer.` 2. As a songwriter, you say that Prince had "the benefit" of nearly two decades of popular music. Likewise, Sly had the advantage of coming on the scene at the time he did, instead of during the musically-dubious eighties. While Sly's music is more important in the history of rock overall, Prince has accomplished something, putting out the music he did during such a period and keeping the flame alive for funk and r n b. Not all his foreys were successful, but then again he had "the benefit" of over two decades to make mistakes and flop, compared to Sly's couple of years. 3. Prince can't help being too young to record at the same time Sly did, so it's pointless to evaluate him based on the music he might have made. His work from Dirty Mind to Lovesexy was a feat given the musical climate of his time and that's all that matters when you compare two great producers. Sly was certainly more innovative and influential, but again, he came earlier. All the folks from the Golden Age of Psychedelia will retain their credentials.` 4. Prince is the better musician overall simply because of his expressivity on guitar and keys as well as hiw prowesess as a live performer. 1.Again, I'm not so sure. I think sly has a better lower register and I think his non-falsetto range is higher. Plus Sly managed to achieve a voice spookily similar to prince's Camille on "Fresh" WITHOUT electronically altering it. I think people underestimate sly because he doesn't often sing in a conventional way ala his weird growling, scatting, yodeling, shrieking (Prince DEFINITELY got his shriek from Sly, as well as James Brown). I'm also somewhat more impressed by sly's live singing. Again, I'm not saying Sly is unequivocally better, I'm just saying I don't think the answer is so easy 2,3. We've been over these, we basically agree. 4. Sly was definitely a skilled and expressive keyboard player. His organ playing was a crucial part of the band's sound, and his piano playing was also very booging, almost-nicky hopkins esque, and those creepy crawly clavinets and fender rhodes' on Riot were superb. I dare say he may be one of the best keyboardists in funk next to bernie worrell and stevie (and junie morrison). And I think he had a lot of subtlety as a guitar player that people don't give him credit for, again I'll cite all the guitars on Riot that sounded like his own high-pitched drug-addled voice scatting from beyond the depths and playing jazzy little licks. Plus he could play the bass and drums nearly as well as any of the bass players and drummers he used, who were all quite exceptional. Listen to funkadelic's Funk Gets Stronger part 2, that's all sly except for the horns and a lead guitar part by Eddie Hazel. | |
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sosgemini said: whodknee said: We agree as to not knowing how things would turn out were things different. However, what we disagree on is the amount of potential in these musicians. It's like saying that had things gone differently Scottie Pippen could have been as good as Michael Jordan. There is no way those artists could have been like Prince, musically or otherwise. Hell, they've had the platform. What else could they need?
Like I said, it takes more than talent and chance. As for frustrations: let's just say I'm not the Wendy and Lisa fan here.
[Edited 8/2/05 16:00pm] you keep talking as if your opinions are the truth..which they arent..if you feel that way, more power to you..i happen to have a different take on it.... and dont forget not only does it take talent but it also takes "luck"...something that doesnt require any talent what so ever..... the world is full of beautiful grey's my friend.... True the world is full of greys, but back to the discussion. 
Like I said there's more than talent and luck in Prince's case. It's a matter of design. Some people make it big despite the decisions they make and no matter the musical climate. That's a clue that it was meant to be. Think about it. Prince is a funk musician at heart but he came of age when drum machines which aren't very conducive to that type of music, were taking over. Not only didn't it stop him but his ability to succeed under those circumstances helped define him. The music he made in the 80's pre, during, and post Revolution is what set him apart from his predecessors. Incidentally, or not, Wendy and Lisa are part of this design. Sure you could take it from Wendy and Lisa's perspective and say the same. Since we're on Prince.org I'll go for the former. To take it further meeting the GirlBros didn't just happen by chance. When you listen to songs like All My Dreams and Power Fantastic you know it was meant to be. Neither chance nor the will of men alone could make that happen. Don't mind me. I'm just thinking out loud in cyberspace. |
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Thumparello said: Sly is coming back! (no joke)no....thers a tribute album coming out but i havent heard anything about the original group reforming and releasing.... anyone wanna clarify this for us? Space for sale... | |
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sosgemini said: Thumparello said: Sly is coming back! (no joke)no....thers a tribute album coming out but i havent heard anything about the original group reforming and releasing.... anyone wanna clarify this for us? There is indeed a tribute album coming out. As to the reforming of the Family Stone, there's no word that I'm aware of. There was a really interesting and really informative article posted over in the non-prince music section a little while ago called "in search of sly stone". It basically said that Sly, after he got off drugs and got his life back on track in the 90s, has esconced himself from the public and spent most of his time writing and recording music recreationally and riding motorcycles, and that the few people who've heard some of his stuff have been quite impressed but had no idea when sly would ever release it other than that they thought they got a "when I'm ready" vibe from him. The other members of the family stone have said that they would reform if Sly was ever willing. | |
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sosgemini said: kpowers said: no... prince had the gift in him (with or without sly) bullshit....prince is a genius at "borrowing" previous used idears and perfecting them....if it wasnt for "every day people" there would never be "1999".....prince himself has admited that was the vibe he was going for..... now, this is all IMHO...but if there wasn't sly i highly doubt prince would have achieved the same career he had..sure, he might have had a couple hits...but, who the fuck knows? sorry to burst peoples bubbles....but i look at folks like TTD, P. Rushen, Ashford & Simpsons (solo), heck even wendy and lisa...and i see artist that are wonderfully talented that never achieved major longterm success.....i cant help to keep that in perspective and realize if prince hadnt had the influences he had....hadnt "gunned" to match or meet these folks, he never would have achieved the career he had..and would all be fans of a forgotten star who could have been... trust, i know...im a huge wendy and lisa fan...and the path their career led them amounted to zero popular success...one different turn could have changed all that...thus i understand that one different turn could have turned prince into an obscure ttd-like powerhouse... agree to disagree my bullshit friend |
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prettymansson said: PurpleKnight said: I never saw the appeal in Sly's music, really. A lot of his songs sound the same and just don't hook me.
I know how influential and important he is in music history, but he just doesn't connect with me. [Edited 8/1/05 12:02pm] U SOUND LIKE SOMEONE THAT REALLY KNOWS FUNK... I hate when ppl act like you're ignorant or wrong for not liking an artist's music simply because it's technically brilliant. Sly's music just doesn't speak to me. It doesn't connect with something deep down in me. That's just the way it is. I respect him as a musical artist for everything he did for guys like Prince, whose music I do connect with so much, but that doesn't make Sly's music connect with me. The world is a comedy for those who think and a tragedy for those who feel.
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PurpleKnight said: prettymansson said: U SOUND LIKE SOMEONE THAT REALLY KNOWS FUNK... I hate when ppl act like you're ignorant or wrong for not liking an artist's music simply because it's technically brilliant. Sly's music just doesn't speak to me. It doesn't connect with something deep down in me. That's just the way it is. I respect him as a musical artist for everything he did for guys like Prince, whose music I do connect with so much, but that doesn't make Sly's music connect with me. no disrespect intended sorry...its just ...hmmmmm???? how do i put it ???? im a musician and if i want to hear some funk it dont get much "low down stinkin ass FONKY" than sly and larry back in the days...the things that prince does that knock me out...slappin the hell out the bass "lets work" 777-9311...pop life...are all linked to what larry did in sly's band...theres so many little things, rhythms ect...have u ever heard "in time " ??? do u own FRESH and THERES A RIOT GOIN ON ???? if u dont...u need to get these QUICK !!!!! take care | |
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kpowers said: sosgemini said: bullshit....prince is a genius at "borrowing" previous used idears and perfecting them....if it wasnt for "every day people" there would never be "1999".....prince himself has admited that was the vibe he was going for..... now, this is all IMHO...but if there wasn't sly i highly doubt prince would have achieved the same career he had..sure, he might have had a couple hits...but, who the fuck knows? sorry to burst peoples bubbles....but i look at folks like TTD, P. Rushen, Ashford & Simpsons (solo), heck even wendy and lisa...and i see artist that are wonderfully talented that never achieved major longterm success.....i cant help to keep that in perspective and realize if prince hadnt had the influences he had....hadnt "gunned" to match or meet these folks, he never would have achieved the career he had..and would all be fans of a forgotten star who could have been... trust, i know...im a huge wendy and lisa fan...and the path their career led them amounted to zero popular success...one different turn could have changed all that...thus i understand that one different turn could have turned prince into an obscure ttd-like powerhouse... agree to disagree my bullshit friend fair enough.....but, i cant be your bullshit friend..i just gotta coffee enema...  Space for sale... | |
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prettymansson said: PurpleKnight said: I hate when ppl act like you're ignorant or wrong for not liking an artist's music simply because it's technically brilliant. Sly's music just doesn't speak to me. It doesn't connect with something deep down in me. That's just the way it is. I respect him as a musical artist for everything he did for guys like Prince, whose music I do connect with so much, but that doesn't make Sly's music connect with me. no disrespect intended sorry...its just ...hmmmmm???? how do i put it ???? im a musician and if i want to hear some funk it dont get much "low down stinkin ass FONKY" than sly and larry back in the days...the things that prince does that knock me out...slappin the hell out the bass "lets work" 777-9311...pop life...are all linked to what larry did in sly's band...theres so many little things, rhythms ect...have u ever heard "in time " ??? do u own FRESH and THERES A RIOT GOIN ON ???? if u dont...u need to get these QUICK !!!!! take care I concur, as with anything I find to be great that someone else either doesn't like or is indifferent to  , I have to question the degree of their familiarity with it and as with any music artist I have to say that one should NEVER acquaint themselves with an artist via a greatest hits package. I myself didn't raelly get sly on the first spin of a greatest hits album or two. I had to listen to his actual albums, and a couple of times, before I really appreciated it. Hell, it was the same situation with prince. | |
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jacktheimprovident said: prettymansson said: no disrespect intended sorry...its just ...hmmmmm???? how do i put it ???? im a musician and if i want to hear some funk it dont get much "low down stinkin ass FONKY" than sly and larry back in the days...the things that prince does that knock me out...slappin the hell out the bass "lets work" 777-9311...pop life...are all linked to what larry did in sly's band...theres so many little things, rhythms ect...have u ever heard "in time " ??? do u own FRESH and THERES A RIOT GOIN ON ???? if u dont...u need to get these QUICK !!!!! take care I concur, as with anything I find to be great that someone else either doesn't like or is indifferent to , I have to question the degree of their familiarity with it and as with any music artist I have to say that one should NEVER acquaint themselves with an artist via a greatest hits package. I myself didn't raelly get sly on the first spin of a greatest hits album or two. I had to listen to his actual albums, and a couple of times, before I really appreciated it. Hell, it was the same situation with prince.I agree with the points you are making about taking time to appreciate someone, however, some things just do not speak to or connect with people in the same way. Don't beat someone over the head with it, if they like it they like it, if not no big deal. Atleast PurpleKnight respects Sly's contribution even though there may not be a connection with his artistry. I used to scratch my head and wonder why people didn't like Prince, Stevie Wonder Sly etc., because I LOVE them, but then I had to take a step back and say "hey everyone is not going to appreciate the things I like regardless of how good I and others think they are". This is why i tend not to favor threads like these because in the end it always comes down to this. [Edited 8/4/05 15:01pm] | |
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ok everybody wins...they both kick ass...if sly was kicking ass when prince was running around too poor to afford a burger and dreaming that one day he could be a pimple on sly's ass...what does it matter ??? they both are super bad right ??? RIGHT...
if sly was writing the rule book for much of prince's future groovefullness...SO WHAT ????...today they both are badasses and equals...RIGHT ??? SO EVERYBODY WINS HOORAY!!!!
now where is my copy of riot so i can hear the original recipe..... | |
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sosgemini said: Thumparello said: Sly is coming back! (no joke)no....thers a tribute album coming out but i havent heard anything about the original group reforming and releasing.... anyone wanna clarify this for us? I KNOW ABOUT THE TRIBUTE LP....TRUST ME "SLY" IS COMING... Funk Gets Stronger! | |
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Aerogram said: jacktheimprovident said: 1.I'm not so sure about that, I think there are definitely things that sly could do with his voice that prince couldn't and vice versa. I'm not claiming to be an expert on vocal technique, but I think the question is more ambiguous. 2.I agree for the most part. I don't think that prince's greater stylistic range makes him better since he had the benefit of nearly two decades of popular music that sly didn't, and prince didn't exactly master everything he tried, nor is eclecticism the only measurement of songwriting prowess. We also have no idea what kind of music Sly's been making since his commercial absence, but reports from those who've heard it say it may turn a few heads if it was ever released. 3. I agree with what you're saying, I think prince definitely used drum machines in a very innovative and humanized way, but I think he would've sounded better if his career occured a decade or so earlier and the overall sound of much of his music is a major turnoff to most people I've tried to turn on to prince, I haven't had the same problem with Sly. Incidentally Sly was perhaps THE first person to use drum machines on his recordings. 4.Again, I think the question is more ambiguous than you realize. Bootsy Collins, who is himself a multi-instrumentalist virtuoso and one of THE bass masters says that Sly is the most talented musician he's ever worked with, and Bootsy's worked with Eddie Hazel, Junie Morrison (who was making one-man funk jam albums before prince's career started), Mike Hampton, Buckethead, Bernie Worrell (and he must have met and jammed with prince at SOME point) and many other instrumental wizards. Larry Graham, who was proficient on drums, guitar, saxophone, and harmonica as well as being a master of the bass considers Sly the true leader and the greatest talent in the Family Stone. Esteem from his colleagues aside, I know that Sly can play more instruments than prince and that the only instrument that I know for sure Prince can play better than Sly is the guitar, and even that I'm not entirely positive about. 1. Prince definitely is more skilled and polished as a singer.` 2. As a songwriter, you say that Prince had "the benefit" of nearly two decades of popular music. Likewise, Sly had the advantage of coming on the scene at the time he did, instead of during the musically-dubious eighties. While Sly's music is more important in the history of rock overall, Prince has accomplished something, putting out the music he did during such a period and keeping the flame alive for funk and r n b. Not all his foreys were successful, but then again he had "the benefit" of over two decades to make mistakes and flop, compared to Sly's couple of years. 3. Prince can't help being too young to record at the same time Sly did, so it's pointless to evaluate him based on the music he might have made. His work from Dirty Mind to Lovesexy was a feat given the musical climate of his time and that's all that matters when you compare two great producers. Sly was certainly more innovative and influential, but again, he came earlier. All the folks from the Golden Age of Psychedelia will retain their credentials.` 4. Prince is the better musician overall simply because of his expressivity on guitar and keys as well as hiw prowesess as a live performer. I respect Prince a lot... But the BIG difference between Sly and Prince is that Sly seemed way more innovative and creative... In Sly's era there were SO MANY great genius/multi instrumentalists... From Jimi to Stevie, from David Bowie to Paul Mcartney... And most important, all these artist redefined the Music, and all these artists were VERY innovative... The rivalry was big, it was way more difficult to be on top all the time, because there were so many talented artists... Prince on the other side was absolutely ALL ALONE in the 80's ... No concurrency, no rival, no adversary, no opponent... nothing... So Prince's impact and talent look bigger, than Sly... So that's the reason why his career lasts longer... Plus saying Prince is a better overall musician, I say NO, he was only a better guitarist... and everybody knows why... [Edited 8/13/05 10:37am] | |
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