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Printablelaurarichardson said: sosgemini said: ummm..the original folks did not sign contracts....only till the npg days were peopel required to sign a contract.. dr. fink has an interview over at housequake where he mentions prince asking him to go home and write a synth line for DMSR..... thats a hellla lot more then changing one cord buddy...  ----- Well how come Dr.Fink sings P's praise in DMSR and Possesed. He never has anything bad to say and how come he did not complain at the time. "only till the npg days were peopel required to sign a contract.." They should have asked for a contract to make sure they got paid for their work. People need to take responsibility. In addtion, I remeber Dr.Fink talking about a 1 million dollar bonus after the PR tour. Sounds like people were compensated. Also, with respect to the Revolution era musicians, I could have sworn I read an article that they were all musicians for hire, i.e., they work for Prince and he can pretty much decide if they should receive further compensation/writing credits beyond the weekly paycheck for their contributions. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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laurarichardson said: sosgemini said: ummm..the original folks did not sign contracts....only till the npg days were peopel required to sign a contract.. dr. fink has an interview over at housequake where he mentions prince asking him to go home and write a synth line for DMSR..... thats a hellla lot more then changing one cord buddy... ----- Well how come Dr.Fink sings P's praise in DMSR and Possesed. He never has anything bad to say and how come he did not complain at the time. "only till the npg days were peopel required to sign a contract.." They should have asked for a contract to make sure they got paid for their work. People need to take responsibility. In addtion, I remeber Dr.Fink talking about a 1 million dollar bonus after the PR tour. Sounds like people were compensated. Heh... this rule of thumb only applies when it's Prince complaining about the contract he signed with Warners in the early 90's that let to the the whole Slave Era dispute. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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cinnamonjo said: Did ur perceptions of Prince change after you read any literature showcasing his:
lack of willingness to collaborate (a bit of a hog, yea?) His often condescending ways towards bandmembers and business associates-- what the fucc? His juvenile tantrums and disputes with Warner-- im totally unsympathetic to all that slave shit he was talking, while paying his own bandmembers pennies and zero writing and producing credit. Im really disappointed. I guess that mystery thats necessary to keep people up on a high pedestal has been tarnished. 
I've read articles before, but the book went much more in-depth, casting P in a different light to me. He's been humanized, i guess. Thoughts?  Not really, been into prince for way too long to think he's a saint. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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Those books were horrible. | |
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People have been signing contracts with Prince since the beginning that did not start with the NPG era.The first person to break the "silence" was Big Chick Huntsbury who sold his Prince stories for some cocaine. |
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muleFunk said: People have been signing contracts with Prince since the beginning that did not start with the NPG era.The first person to break the "silence" was Big Chick Huntsbury who sold his Prince stories for some cocaine.
dont you ever wonder why wendy is allowed to bitch and bitch abour prince to the media yet you never hear a lick from levi saucer (except when he sued prince in court)? yet wendy never sued prince? come on folks.....cha gotta lick the backside....(ps, this was already confirmed by someone in the purple camp)... Space for sale... | |
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i thought all artists, er, borrowed from others.
look at picasso. or hemingway. | |
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When I read the part in "Possessed" about Prince and Larry Graham's homophobic rant about Lisa and Wendy, it forever changed how I look at Prince. Since he has performed with Wendy recently, hopefully he has come to his damn senses. Andy is a four letter word. | |
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vainandy said: When I read the part in "Possessed" about Prince and Larry Graham's homophobic rant about Lisa and Wendy, it forever changed how I look at Prince. Since he has performed with Wendy recently, hopefully he has come to his damn senses.
You actually believe that nonsense? | |
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Everything is written from a perspective. Prince has lifted things here and there from people, but its not like he took EVERYTHING he ever recorded in his career. I think "the twin in need of help" gets a little carried away in these threads trying to tear Prince down a notch to build up W&L. Dude we get it, you love W&L like we love Prince ok. Go to bat for Dez with as much fervor. Prince existed before and after everyone he borrowed from so the point is moot. This happens with ALL musicians. Every musician in history has done this so please do not think anyone is immune from this behavior. It's like a bunch of children in here, like every die-hard actually believes that Prince is this all perfect being, so someone must set out to prove that he is actually human with flaws...wow, really?! They are all people, multi-talented, but still people. We all have our moments, both good and bad, so if someone decided to write a tell all or insider book about us we all could come out in either a favorable or negative light. I just don't get where the shock and awe is coming from. A few books written from one perspective do not tell the whole story.  | |
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DorothyParkerWasCool said: Everything is written from a perspective. Prince has lifted things here and there from people, but its not like he took EVERYTHING he ever recorded in his career. I think "the twin in need of help" gets a little carried away in these threads trying to tear Prince down a notch to build up W&L. Dude we get it, you love W&L like we love Prince ok. Go to bat for Dez with as much fervor. Prince existed before and after everyone he borrowed from so the point is moot. This happens with ALL musicians. Every musician in history has done this so please do not think anyone is immune from this behavior. It's like a bunch of children in here, like every die-hard actually believes that Prince is this all perfect being, so someone must set out to prove that he is actually human with flaws...wow, really?! They are all people, multi-talented, but still people. We all have our moments, both good and bad, so if someone decided to write a tell all or insider book about us we all could come out in either a favorable or negative light. I just don't get where the shock and awe is coming from. A few books written from one perspective do not tell the whole story.
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DorothyParkerWasCool said: Everything is written from a perspective. Prince has lifted things here and there from people, but its not like he took EVERYTHING he ever recorded in his career. I think "the twin in need of help" gets a little carried away in these threads trying to tear Prince down a notch to build up W&L. Dude we get it, you love W&L like we love Prince ok. Go to bat for Dez with as much fervor. Prince existed before and after everyone he borrowed from so the point is moot. This happens with ALL musicians. Every musician in history has done this so please do not think anyone is immune from this behavior. It's like a bunch of children in here, like every die-hard actually believes that Prince is this all perfect being, so someone must set out to prove that he is actually human with flaws...wow, really?! They are all people, multi-talented, but still people. We all have our moments, both good and bad, so if someone decided to write a tell all or insider book about us we all could come out in either a favorable or negative light. I just don't get where the shock and awe is coming from. A few books written from one perspective do not tell the whole story.
im sorry, why are you making this personal? this is what i dont get..we are here in a forum to discuss topics....if you dont want to read people's responces then dont open up the threads..and dont take people's responces personal...im sharing my perspective on the question posed.. but instead of answering the question from your perspective you would rather get personal and attack me personally...now what was that about being childish?  Space for sale... | |
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DorothyParkerWasCool said: Everything is written from a perspective. Prince has lifted things here and there from people, but its not like he took EVERYTHING he ever recorded in his career.
exactly. like i and others have mentioned, this is a common occurrence in the music field and not a gotdamned crime like some people tend to think it is. | |
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Handclapsfingasnapz said: DorothyParkerWasCool said: Everything is written from a perspective. Prince has lifted things here and there from people, but its not like he took EVERYTHING he ever recorded in his career.
exactly. like i and others have mentioned, this is a common occurrence in the music field and not a gotdamned crime like some people tend to think it is. | |
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and how the hell am i building up wendy and lisa? the only reason i mentioned wendy was because somebody erroniously claimed that *all* prince's former associates had to sign confidentiality contracts..which isnt true..
dorothy, you need to put your biases in check dear.....re-read all of my comments within this thread and ask yourself why you posted what you did...it has absolutly nothing to do with this thread.... Space for sale... | |
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Handclapsfingasnapz said: DorothyParkerWasCool said: Everything is written from a perspective. Prince has lifted things here and there from people, but its not like he took EVERYTHING he ever recorded in his career.
exactly. like i and others have mentioned, this is a common occurrence in the music field and not a gotdamned crime like some people tend to think it is. nobody is saying its a crime....why do you feel some are saying its a crime..people are only sharing their understanding of what happened..your free to share your's without judging other peoples views.... but i get the impression some of you cant do that.. Space for sale... | |
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Someone doth protest. A lot. | |
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sosgemini said: and how the hell am i building up wendy and lisa? the only reason i mentioned wendy was because somebody erroniously claimed that *all* prince's former associates had to sign confidentiality contracts..which isnt true..
by your appearance on this thread alone, methinx. you do have somewhat of a history of coming on similar threads and pluggin in w & l a helluva lot--not on this thread, but in the past you have. that might be it. | |
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DiamondGirl said: Someone doth protest. A lot.
and whats that supposed to me? didn't see you say that about dorothy's post when she protested about my views..... Space for sale... | |
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sosgemini said: Handclapsfingasnapz said: exactly. like i and others have mentioned, this is a common occurrence in the music field and not a gotdamned crime like some people tend to think it is. nobody is saying its a crime....why do you feel some are saying its a crime.. like dorothyparker mentioned, some people feel like prince is this magical musical mega-muthafucka who can do no wrong, musically or personally. we're setting the record straight for those who don't get it. | |
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Handclapsfingasnapz said: sosgemini said: and how the hell am i building up wendy and lisa? the only reason i mentioned wendy was because somebody erroniously claimed that *all* prince's former associates had to sign confidentiality contracts..which isnt true..
by your appearance on this thread alone, methinx. you do have somewhat of a history of coming on similar threads and pluggin in w & l a helluva lot--not on this thread, but in the past you have. that might be it. maybe because thats where my perspective is from...nobody is telling you to *not* share your thoughts on the topic....not my opinion...not my perspective..but your own take on the topic of the thread.. Space for sale... | |
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Handclapsfingasnapz said: sosgemini said: nobody is saying its a crime....why do you feel some are saying its a crime.. like dorothyparker mentioned, some people feel like prince is this magical musical mega-muthafucka who can do no wrong, musically or personally. we're setting the record straight for those who don't get it. but you cant set the record straight...its just your opinion...just like i cant set the record straight fro my perspective...its all subjective.... once again, if you wanna set the record straight when it comes to how many top ten hits prince has had, go right ahead...those are facts...but you cant tell anybody that your opinion is more important then anothers...and neither can i. Space for sale... | |
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sosgemini said: Handclapsfingasnapz said: like dorothyparker mentioned, some people feel like prince is this magical musical mega-muthafucka who can do no wrong, musically or personally. we're setting the record straight for those who don't get it. but you cant set the record straight...its just your opinion...just like i cant set the record straight fro my perspective...its all subjective.... once again, if you wanna set the record straight when it comes to how many top ten hits prince has had, go right ahead...those are facts...but you cant tell anybody that your opinion is more important then anothers...and neither can i. actually that wasn't an opinion. | |
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Handclapsfingasnapz said: sosgemini said: but you cant set the record straight...its just your opinion...just like i cant set the record straight fro my perspective...its all subjective.... once again, if you wanna set the record straight when it comes to how many top ten hits prince has had, go right ahead...those are facts...but you cant tell anybody that your opinion is more important then anothers...and neither can i. actually that wasn't an opinion.  Space for sale... | |
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sosgemini said: Handclapsfingasnapz said: actually that wasn't an opinion. be a bit more studious 'round here and you'll come to know what's what. | |
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Handclapsfingasnapz said: sosgemini said: be a bit more studious 'round here and you'll come to know what's what. your kidding, right? 1) fact/opinion is not something that only evolves within www.prince.org 2) once again your telling fans how they should conduct themselves if they are going to be fans of prince..... now, do i think prince is a musical genious? hell yeah...has anyone within this thread said otherwise? hell no.....but people want to discuss this particular topic..hence them clicking into the thread...this thread is valid and everyone's thoughts on the subject are just as valid. Space for sale... | |
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sosgemini said: DiamondGirl said: Someone doth protest. A lot.
and whats that supposed to me? didn't see you say that about dorothy's post when she protested about my views..... DP also was more neutral in saying the pros and cons of people's opinions on Prince. She mentioned the flaws of those who idolize him and those who dislike with extreme prejudice. She was more objective in her stance if you will. You seem to be fixated (as you usually are when debating) on the portion where you feel it appears she is adressing you. And there is nothing wrong with her adressing you in certain aspects since it seems you do not realize that you put out there that you dislike the man immensely. And as was previously mentioned by Handclapsandfingasnaps, you DO come-a-runnin to these types of threads with almost a religious zeal to discredit Prince at all accounts. It is very obvious. And the odd thing is that you sometimes use the "we are free to debate" argument whenever you are semi-called on it or when a pro Prince comment is countered with a con. | |
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laurarichardson said: sosgemini said: and "borrow" ideas from without giving credit..or giving credit for lesser tunes that didnt earn equal monies... if prince was a solo artist why did he need other people's idears for the album? its much deeper then some of you'll are willing to admit..id recommened checking out our associated artist section and www.housequake.com for the reality of prince's "written, arranged and produced by prince" monicure.... you'll be amazed at the reality... mommy,whatslisteredit? [Edited 7/9/05 10:42am] ----- It is not that deep because we are only hearing one side of the story. There always two sides to everything. Do I think P may have lifted things from his employees? Sure, I could see how it could happen while working on a project. Do I think his employess should have insured that they would receive writing credit before they started working for him. Yes. If Prince can have people sign confindentialy agreements I am sure a similar contract can be drawn up with the musicians. As far as everything being written and produced by Prince. Let's be honest it is P putting in the 20 hour days. The guys works his ass off and none of the associated artist have every disputed this. Even David Z and Bobby Z said everything flowed from him. Seems to me a lot of associated artist did not look out for themselves, have not done to well, and or extremly bitter.  | |
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sosgemini said: your kidding, right?
nope. such as life. | |
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DiamondGirl said: sosgemini said: and whats that supposed to me? didn't see you say that about dorothy's post when she protested about my views..... DP also was more neutral in saying the pros and cons of people's opinions on Prince. She mentioned the flaws of those who idolize him and those who dislike with extreme prejudice. She was more objective in her stance if you will. You seem to be fixated (as you usually are when debating) on the portion where you feel it appears she is adressing you. And there is nothing wrong with her adressing you in certain aspects since it seems you do not realize that you put out there that you dislike the man immensely. And as was previously mentioned by Handclapsandfingasnaps, you DO come-a-runnin to these types of threads with almost a religious zeal to discredit Prince at all accounts. It is very obvious. And the odd thing is that you sometimes use the "we are free to debate" argument whenever you are semi-called on it or when a pro Prince comment is countered with a con. we are free to debate.....but you cant argue opinions..is it really that hard of a thing to grasp? and im not here to discredit prince..why would i post on that I HATE YOU Thread that I love the song? Just because i am more involved and posting more on a couple threads (uhhh because its the weekend and i have more time to post) does not mean that i have an agenda to kill prince.. its just the Prince UberUsers that see it that way.....you are free to disagree with my take on any of this..but you arent free to i am wrong or make the issue personal.. im fairly consistent with this stance... Space for sale... | |
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