Did ur perceptions of Prince change after you read any literature showcasing his:

lack of willingness to collaborate (a bit of a hog, yea?)

His often condescending ways towards bandmembers and business associates-- what the fucc?

His juvenile tantrums and disputes with Warner-- im totally unsympathetic to all that slave shit he was talking, while paying his own bandmembers pennies and zero writing and producing credit.




Im really disappointed.
I guess that mystery thats necessary to keep people up on a high pedestal has been tarnished.



I've read articles before, but the book went much more in-depth, casting P in a different light to me.
He's been humanized, i guess.



Thoughts?

lack of willingness to collaborate?

he always collaborates...he just doesnt give people proper credit..

Dugen said:

and "borrow" ideas from without giving credit..or giving credit for lesser tunes that didnt earn equal monies...


if prince was a solo artist why did he need other people's idears for the album? its much deeper then some of you'll are willing to admit..id recommened checking out our associated artist section and www.housequake.com for the reality of prince's "written, arranged and produced by prince" monicure....

you'll be amazed at the reality...


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After reading that book, even if only a 1/4 th of it was true, then Prince can be an asshole. Which proves that he's only human like the rest of us.

Just because we admire an artists' work, it doesn't necessarily mean that the person who created them is especially admirable or without faults. In many cases, great art has come from people who you probably really wouldn't want to know personally.

I'm reminded of a story I read once : in the mid-1960s, a fanatical Bob Dylan fan met his manager Albert Grossman. The fan told Grossman " Bob is my idol. I worship him, and have to meet him ". To which Grossman replied, 'Believe me, you're better off just listening to the records"

jjhunsecker said:

thats a good one....

sosgemini said:

it's about time someone told these prince walks on water people something.




I'm not saying prince is some kind of milli vanili. anyone that has seen him perform live would agree to his talents. However, with so many people miscredited and so much mystery surround his conduct as a composer, makes me question just how much of his music is his. and how much of it he pick up in a jam sessions etc. with others. I'm not one to believe just anything i read. But when 3,4,5.... people or saying I did this and didn't get credit it for it. it raises questions in my mind

and before some ass gets on here and says it. I AINT HATEIN.

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cha know, im not claiming to "know" the truth or anything.....people are free to believe what and whom they want.....

its a fun and interesting subject for sure..

every artist has a bad side. don't see why folks don't figure that out without having to be told, therefore they get shell-shocked upon finding out.

Good Question! Actually no! I kinda already knew that he was a sexist,chavanitic, womanizer and he could kinda act like a baby at times. I guess just beinga Prince fan for a long time and reading things, hearing stories about him and most importantly just experiencing his work gave way to what his personaltiy seems like.

I think he told Matt Lauer last year that "People who know my work know me" and after reading Possessed that just comfirmed to me that my perception of him was not that far off.

But you know what, everybody has a dark side and to me Prince's positive qualities far outweigh his bad side. I think he is good person actually deep down...just terribly insecure and sensitive. Which I think is the reason his ego gets out of control at times. He has alot of other beautiful qualities too that Possessed doesn't touch on that much.

There are 3 sides to every story.
Your side.
My side .
The Truth.

Possessed, DSMR,Purple Reign, and Prince: A Pop Life all are good books and have factual things about Prince in them ,but they present 1 side of the story.

Prince has not written or authorized any books to be written about him .So his side has not been told.

Hell, the author of Possessed was the lawyer for Uptown when Prince and Uptown was involved in their dispute and he had a major ax to grind .

Where are you ,Alex ????

Another thing about this borrowing thing that you are talking about.

Prince has everyone who works for him to sign a contract.These folks gave up creative license when they signed that contract.It's mighty funny that no one makes a fuss until they are ass out.

Another thing . When musicians jam someone always creates a new note or cord that may be added to or subtracted from. It happens all the time.

muleFunk said:

everyone knows that there are more than one side to a story, but we'er talking about this side of the story!

muleFunk said:[quote]Another thing about this borrowing thing that you are talking about.

Prince has everyone who works for him to sign a contract.These folks gave up creative license when they signed that contract.



did you sign one!
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muleFunk said:

ummm..the original folks did not sign contracts....only till the npg days were peopel required to sign a contract..


dr. fink has an interview over at housequake where he mentions prince asking him to go home and write a synth line for DMSR.....

thats a hellla lot more then changing one cord buddy...

sosgemini said:

so what's so bad about that?

sosgemini said:

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It is not that deep because we are only hearing one side of the story. There always two sides to everything. Do I think P may have lifted things from his employees? Sure, I could see how it could happen while working on a project. Do I think his employess should have insured that they would receive writing credit before they started working for him. Yes.

If Prince can have people sign confindentialy agreements I am sure a similar contract can be drawn up with the musicians.


As far as everything being written and produced by Prince. Let's be honest it is P putting in the 20 hour days. The guys works his ass off and none of the associated artist have every disputed this.

Even David Z and Bobby Z said everything flowed from him.

Seems to me a lot of associated artist did not look out for themselves, have not done to well, and or extremly bitter.

Handclapsfingasnapz said:

did i say it was bad?

sosgemini said:

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Well how come Dr.Fink sings P's praise in DMSR and Possesed. He never has anything bad to say and how come he did not complain at the time.

"only till the npg days were peopel required to sign a contract.."

They should have asked for a contract to make sure they got paid for their work. People need to take responsibility. In addtion, I remeber Dr.Fink talking about a 1 million dollar bonus after the PR tour. Sounds like people were compensated.

laurarichardson said:

am i saying dr. fink hates prince?

am i saying that prince isnt a musical genius?

am i saying that the dr. was not happy with his relationship with prince?

am i saying anything other then the fact that the dr. wrote the synth for DMSR?

A lot of masked hate in this one.

DiamondGirl said:

here we go with that hate crap! anybody that dont think prince walks on water is hatein, right

jbell said:

No.

I evalutate my relationship with Prince not on what others say or do but what he do to me. U can believe what U want.

Krystal666 said:

Agreed totally i have read both "Possessed" and "DMSR". and even through it portrayed P as a jerk it still hasnt and wont change my admiration for him as an artist. i mean who cares if he fucked 500 million women at once as long as he keeps making wonderful music for his fans Prince is alright with me. and yes Krystal p i think is a very good person deep down inside inspite of faults.
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ChiveDavis said:

Especially Alex Hahn

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sosgemini said:

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"am i saying anything other then the fact that the dr. wrote the synth for DMSR?

So what does that mean. Do you think Dr.Fink should get credit for the whole song? Don't you think Dr.Fink can kind of forget about it since he took a big fat bonus check 20 years ago.

What is your point ?

laurarichardson said:

the point is that there is no point..we are all just friends wasting time pontificating on everything and nothing.....if you read the comments (without biases) you will notice i was just responding to a statement made by someone else..and that was the end of it..if i had more to share, i would have posted it.

Tiffypoo2004 said:

Is having sex with 500 or even 1000 women in your lifetime as bad as murdering someone? I don't think so. If Prince did have sex with half the country who cares? That doesn't make him a bad person. That is one thing I always respected about him...he is always tries to be the best person he can be...so what if he has an over active libido? There are worse things...and it sure contributed to his music for the better!