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PrintableI remember seeing a Thin Lizzy video on MTV around 1982,months before "Billie Jean" and "Little Red Corvette".The lead singer is black,so does this count?  | |
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Yes,DavidEye-it counts,LauraRichardson will probably turn a blind eye to the facts that we are giving her,but-so what!she obviously lives in "LauraLand"...
We have given many examples here of "black" artist's that were played on MTV before MJ. Remember Eddie Grant,MTV played the hell out of "Electric Avenue" and "Killer On The Rampage" at least a year and a half before they added "Billie Jean" to the rotation. | |
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DavidEye said: I remember seeing a Thin Lizzy video on MTV around 1982,months before "Billie Jean" and "Little Red Corvette".The lead singer is black,so does this count?
Nope. "But what of black women? . . . I most sincerely doubt if any other race of women could have brought its fineness up through so devilish a fire." -- W.E.B. Du Bois -- | |
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wallysafford said: Yes,DavidEye-it counts,LauraRichardson will probably turn a blind eye to the facts that we are giving her,but-so what!she obviously lives in "LauraLand"...
We have given many examples here of "black" artist's that were played on MTV before MJ. Remember Eddie Grant,MTV played the hell out of "Electric Avenue" and "Killer On The Rampage" at least a year and a half before they added "Billie Jean" to the rotation. Not true. Electric Avenue didn't chart til May of 83 while Billie Jean was charting in January of 83. "But what of black women? . . . I most sincerely doubt if any other race of women could have brought its fineness up through so devilish a fire." -- W.E.B. Du Bois -- | |
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TheCrucialExperience said: wallysafford said: Yes,DavidEye-it counts,LauraRichardson will probably turn a blind eye to the facts that we are giving her,but-so what!she obviously lives in "LauraLand"...
We have given many examples here of "black" artist's that were played on MTV before MJ. Remember Eddie Grant,MTV played the hell out of "Electric Avenue" and "Killer On The Rampage" at least a year and a half before they added "Billie Jean" to the rotation. Not true. Electric Avenue didn't chart til May of 83 while Billie Jean was charting in January of 83.  Exactly. | |
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I thought we were talking about MTV air-dates,not radio charts?
MTV added Electric Avenue to their rotation before Billie Jean. | |
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wallysafford said: I thought we were talking about MTV air-dates,not radio charts?
MTV added Electric Avenue to their rotation before Billie Jean. I think there is a lot confusing going on with "1st played" and "Rotation." MJ's Billie Jean was the 1st video by a black artist to air on MTV. "Rotation" and all that other stuff is something different. "But what of black women? . . . I most sincerely doubt if any other race of women could have brought its fineness up through so devilish a fire." -- W.E.B. Du Bois -- | |
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Billie Jean was not the 1st video by a "black artist" to air on MTV.
Some of us have given examples of other "black artist's" that had their video played on MTV before Billie Jean. Billie Jean may have been the 1st black video to be put into rotation at MTV,but-not the 1st by a black artist to be played at MTV. | |
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wallysafford said: Billie Jean was not the 1st video by a "black artist" to air on MTV.
Some of us have given examples of other "black artist's" that had their video played on MTV before Billie Jean. Billie Jean may have been the 1st black video to be put into rotation at MTV,but-not the 1st by a black artist to be played at MTV. Until someone can give PROOF other than "I remember seeing so and so" then it remains to be Billie Jean. I presented proof on my side but I can't go off people saying "I remember seeing..." as proof. "But what of black women? . . . I most sincerely doubt if any other race of women could have brought its fineness up through so devilish a fire." -- W.E.B. Du Bois -- | |
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I remember seeing "Pass The Dutchie" at least 50 times on MTV before I saw "Billie Jean" on MTV. | |
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wallysafford said: I remember seeing "Pass The Dutchie" at least 50 times on MTV before I saw "Billie Jean" on MTV.
Sorry cousin, but I can't go off peoples memories. I need facts written by a credible source. "But what of black women? . . . I most sincerely doubt if any other race of women could have brought its fineness up through so devilish a fire." -- W.E.B. Du Bois -- | |
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wallysafford said: I remember seeing "Pass The Dutchie" at least 50 times on MTV before I saw "Billie Jean" on MTV.
----- Not true. Electric Avenue didn't chart til May of 83 while Billie Jean was charting in January of 83. Are you happy now!!. Please go back to wallysafford land at anytime. If you need more proof pick up the book written by Walter Yvankoft ( I know I spelled the last name wrong) He was the CBS president who forced MTV to put Billie Jean into rotation. | |
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I assume You mean this book:
Yeah,I own it,doesn't say much about MTV air dates for any video other than Billie Jean,so-You still have not come up with any solid proof for your argument...  [Edited 7/15/05 17:50pm] | |
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murph said: muleFunk said: DSMR came long before TTT so it is no way any song they had could have been "riped off" by Prince.
TTT had 2 albums. Prince is a RRHOF member, had the #1 album,#1 pop song ,#1 R&B song ,& #1 album at the same time .Prince had a top 10 song for 10 years straight. Prince was the first Black singer to have a video on MTV.Prince was ..... TTT will be telling their grandkids that Prince wanted them to play in his band. Respect, But I guess you really don't no that much about TTT...Raphael get's a lot of props in the industry as a writer/producer (too much to name...google it...) That guy is very underrated...His shit with TTT is good, but his solo shit is better than anything Prince has put out in the last 15 years....That said, Prince is still on the Mount Rushmore of music royalty...But that doesn't diminish TTT's talents... Thanks for acknowledging that that Prince is not the only one with talent out there! I swear they need to have a last call for that Purple Koolaid! There are so folks definitely DRUNK on the Purple Koolaid!  "Remember, one man's filler is another man's killer" -- Haystack | |
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laurarichardson said: muleFunk said: DSMR came long before TTT so it is no way any song they had could have been "riped off" by Prince.
TTT had 2 albums. Prince is a RRHOF member, had the #1 album,#1 pop song ,#1 R&B song ,& #1 album at the same time .Prince had a top 10 song for 10 years straight. Prince was the first Black singer to have a video on MTV.Prince was ..... TTT will be telling their grandkids that Prince wanted them to play in his band. ----- Co-Sign. I am not going to waste my time talking a newbie who does not know how old DMSR is. TTT were in JHS when that song came out. I guess they jumped on a private plane a flew to Minn after gym class. (LOL). I come to the this board for the laughs. Is NPGMC your main board? "Remember, one man's filler is another man's killer" -- Haystack | |
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sosgemini said: yes morris day wrote a prince song that became his first big hit.. Ok, I hadn't heard that Morris got ripped. What was the song? "Remember, one man's filler is another man's killer" -- Haystack | |
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I didn't expect my thread to last this long, but hey that's cool since I read the answer days ago. Much respect to all. Jeux Sans Frontiers | |
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prodigalfan said: murph said: Respect, But I guess you really don't no that much about TTT...Raphael get's a lot of props in the industry as a writer/producer (too much to name...google it...) That guy is very underrated...His shit with TTT is good, but his solo shit is better than anything Prince has put out in the last 15 years....That said, Prince is still on the Mount Rushmore of music royalty...But that doesn't diminish TTT's talents... Thanks for acknowledging that that Prince is not the only one with talent out there! I swear they need to have a last call for that Purple Koolaid! There are so folks definitely DRUNK on the Purple Koolaid!  | |
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MsLegs said: prodigalfan said: Thanks for acknowledging that that Prince is not the only one with talent out there! I swear they need to have a last call for that Purple Koolaid! There are so folks definitely DRUNK on the Purple Koolaid!  "Remember, one man's filler is another man's killer" -- Haystack | |
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wallysafford said: I assume You mean this book:
Yeah,I own it,doesn't say much about MTV air dates for any video other than Billie Jean,so-You still have not come up with any solid proof for your argument...
[Edited 7/15/05 17:50pm] Here's my proof: It's the 9th trivia question from the top - http://www.corsinet.com/t...-triv.html "But what of black women? . . . I most sincerely doubt if any other race of women could have brought its fineness up through so devilish a fire." -- W.E.B. Du Bois -- | |
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TheCrucialExperience said: wallysafford said: I assume You mean this book:
Yeah,I own it,doesn't say much about MTV air dates for any video other than Billie Jean,so-You still have not come up with any solid proof for your argument...
[Edited 7/15/05 17:50pm] Here's my proof: It's the 9th trivia question from the top - http://www.corsinet.com/t...-triv.html This site is hosted by Error 404! File not found The directory or file you tried to access was not found on the server. Please try again, or inform the webmaster if you believe this is an error. Click here to go back to the site's main page. PRODUCTS FEATURES SPECIALS SUPPORT ORDER CONTACT US ABOUT US Copyright © 2000 by Millennium Networks Corporation. All rights reserved. | |
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The link isn't working....
I also wouldn't put too much stock in a trivia game. They are infamous for having their facts jumbled quite often. | |
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laurarichardson said: It was Party Up. Morris said that Prince offered him $10,000.00 for the song or he offered to get him a recording contract. Morris took the contract.
Morris has told this story many times. I am crushed to find this out. I LOVE Party Up. I consider it the start of Prince's socio-political persona. He has no social messages before it (except for Uptown on same album). I will never get over this.  | |
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wallysafford said: The link isn't working....
I also wouldn't put too much stock in a trivia game. They are infamous for having their facts jumbled quite often. True, but can't that be said for books as well? But here's more proof: Read #7 on this link: http://80music.about.com/...videos.htm Check this link, and read under the title "IMPACT" http://www.nationmaster.c...illie-Jean The 9th question down http://www.corsinet.com/t...-triv.html "But what of black women? . . . I most sincerely doubt if any other race of women could have brought its fineness up through so devilish a fire." -- W.E.B. Du Bois -- | |
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Not accurate,sorry! | |
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wallysafford said: Not accurate,sorry!
Then I need your proof. I've shown you 3 proofs and you've shown me a book but no excerpt from the book proving your side. Show and prove, that's what it's all about. "But what of black women? . . . I most sincerely doubt if any other race of women could have brought its fineness up through so devilish a fire." -- W.E.B. Du Bois -- | |
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Listen I have been a Prince fan for about 23 years so I dont have to drink "kool-aid" to be on this site.Some of you come here to dreg up negativity regarding Prince and when you get set straight you get offended.
MJ gets credit for the first Black artist to be played on MTV.I thought it was Prince then MJ.This will all be determined by which source you use. |
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muleFunk said: Listen I have been a Prince fan for about 23 years so I dont have to drink "kool-aid" to be on this site.
 Really and your point is? Look, I've been digging P's music for 26 years. So, I'm trying to figure out why is it you have your drawers in twist over nothing  . | |
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