INSATIABLE said:

And to add to that, not that it wouldn't be unoriginal in some listeners' eyes; if Prince were to go in that direction, I'd be one aurally happy bitch.

I agree with you.
I don't think that Prince meant for Musicology to be a great album.
I think he more or less wanted a simply album that could sound exactly the same live as it does on record and to capture the live feel.

However, I think Prince has proved pretty much everything he's wanted to prove.

I personally would love to see Prince do concept album again. Let's face it, even though I dislike the Rainbow Children it has flashes of brilliance. If he did a nother one in a different genre (synth pop/rock/funk or something) and made a double album, I'd be one happy puppy.

But, honestly, I'm not sure what Prince has cooked up.
I seriously doubt that momments of silence for Prince ever means he's just sitting back and chilling. I'm going to venture to say, he's probably cooking up some crazy shit.

Think about it--you give Prince less than a year, and he writes all these brilliant albums. Well, Prince has had at least twice that time now--Lord knows what old boy is doing.

He's still gotta prove he can star in his own sitcom

until he does that I'll keep anticipating his every move

shorttrini said:

Respect and interesting point. I agree that the man is doing music for the fun of it now...But I think us Prince fans need to come back to reality. Prince has been creating rebel music "that he has had to do" since Around The World In A Day. I think people need to come to terms with the fact that Prince is almost 50 years old. Everything the man does from here on out is gravy. The Musicology album was less about making a great statement and more about having a mainstream work to accompany a huge tour, and that's cool. And as the Org moderator said early on, the Musicology tour solidified the man's legacy with non-fans who only thought Prince was a wacked out rock star who faded into obscurity.

I think holding the man to same grandiose standards of his past master works is foolish. You want to know why Bruce Springsteen is still able to make noise?...Because his fans have truely evolved with him...They don't want to see the man put on the blue jeans, the white T-shirt and sing "Glory Days"..They have accepeted the fact that Brue is an elderstatesman....It seems that a lot of Prince fans are living in the past. Let's support the man and celebrate his legacy...but to expect anything "groundbreaking" from our boy is a little unfair. Let's just let the man grow old gracefully like Bruce and Bowie....

As far as what the man can do....A live acoustic album...That's it...
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murph said:

Bowie fans are very critical of him...and Bruce just released two albums that are considered modern classics.....

and if you enjoy prince's current efforts, more power to you....i have every right to feel the way i do.....nobody can take that away from me...

sosgemini said:

Who said I enjoyed Musicology? It was a cool little album that did what it was supposed to do: Support A Tour....Bruce is able to make "modern" classics because his fans have evolved with him...You wont hear any "I wish the Rising could recapture Born In The USA..." The fans support the man because they have grown old with him and have accepted the fact that the man doesn't have to shake his fucking ass and sing "Glory Days." And as far as Bowie goes, his fans may be critical of him, but they don't spend their time wishing for the days of Low...I'm just glad Prince is still alive to enjoy the acclaim that he's been getting...There are other younger upstart artists that we can believe in instead of putting our hopes on a guy that has had a greatand iconic 25 plus year career...My point was and still is that we should celebrate Prince's legacy instead of waiting for the next great release to rock our world. Let's just let the man live....
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murph said:

and my point is, dont tell me what to think or feel...i, personally, am not expecting or waiting for a Purple Rain Part 2. and ummmm, if the man wants to live ,the man can live...let him retire...let him go into obscurity...ive been a wendy and lisa fan longer then prince...and they took seven years to release girlbros and six (or longer) for the new one...a fan is a fan of an artist defined by "their own individual terms"....people need to stop wishing attitudes or behaviors on otherm fans and just let them "be".

im not sitting here bitching cause we dont have a new album..i dont need a new prince album every six months or every year.....

sosgemini said:

Dude, the whole point of this forum is to exchange ideas...No one is telling you what to think dog...It's not that serious...Just say you don't agree with me and keep it moving..No need to go crazy about it....My only point is some of the fans on this site expect too much from a guy pushing 50...that's all homie...You noticed I started out my comments with "Respect"...No need to go crazy on me....Please take it down a bit...
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murph said:

im not going crazy..and did i tell you not to post your comments? no i didnt....but the minute i hear people tell other people how to think i immediatly think of this guy:

sosgemini said:

Once again...I never said you were literally going crazy...I just said it's not that serious...You stated your opinion and i respected your comments...I just said it's not worth the tone you are taking...we can respect each other's opinions without resorting to bugging out..If we couldn't give each other our opinion than this would not be much of a site....
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i'd love to see prince mess around with different styles of music than he's relied on throughout his career. maybe an album that has SERIOUS eastern influences, or some bossanova (you all knew i was gonna say that, didn't you?) or some other "world music" influences...nothing as obnoxious as what sting or paul simon have done over the years (which, admittedly, i really enjoyed when they first started dabbling, but they can move on any time now), but something going past the whole "old skool funk" thing that he pounded into the ground last year...not that he should give that part of his style up, because i think it's too central to the kind of musician he is, but maybe stretching his legs out and letting in some new influences for the sake of experimentation would be really, really cool.

just a bit of navelgazing, mind you.

murph said:

I think the reason that this has become a hot topic is this. Unlike Springsteen, Prince is still some kind of mystery to some people. I mean, Springsteen's is not the kind of artist to have more than one album "on the ready". We know all about Sprinsteen and his wife. We know little about Prince's personal life. Little had been know about Prince unless he himself, wanted us to know about it.This always adds to the mystic. It's almost like EF Hutton, whenever he speaks, we are there to listen. At some point, he realized that he had to "come back down to earth" and be human. While, Prince is almost 50, does this mean that his best years are behind him? Look at Ray Charles? Look at Stevie? The bottom line is, if Prince had not made himself such an enigma, would we even be having this conversation?

murph said:

and i think your reading a tone that is not existent within my statements..can you accept that you errored?


fromnotetonotedit...
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murph said:

And that's probably the best way to get his fire stoked. Calling him old

There's nothing left 2 prove!

murph said:

Respect and interesting point. I agree that the man is doing music for the fun of it now...But I think us Prince fans need to come back to reality. Prince has been creating rebel music "that he has had to do" since Around The World In A Day. I think people need to come to terms with the fact that Prince is almost 50 years old. Everything the man does from here on out is gravy. The Musicology album was less about making a great statement and more about having a mainstream work to accompany a huge tour, and that's cool. And as the Org moderator said early on, the Musicology tour solidified the man's legacy with non-fans who only thought Prince was a wacked out rock star who faded into obscurity.

I think holding the man to same grandiose standards of his past master works is foolish. You want to know why Bruce Springsteen is still able to make noise?...Because his fans have truely evolved with him...They don't want to see the man put on the blue jeans, the white T-shirt and sing "Glory Days"..They have accepeted the fact that Brue is an elderstatesman....It seems that a lot of Prince fans are living in the past. Let's support the man and celebrate his legacy...but to expect anything "groundbreaking" from our boy is a little unfair. Let's just let the man grow old gracefully like Bruce and Bowie....

As far as what the man can do....A live acoustic album...That's it...
[Edited 7/6/05 21:06pm]
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Well said!
And DITTO on the live acoustic album. After I heard that set last year, I wished I had a tape recorder in my purse. I try to remember how good that sounded!

Anxiety said:

Prince could & should acknowledge that he still love to make new music with keyboard synthesizers!!!

That he is a man.

He could leave the R&B style and move towards other forms of music he hasn't done yet, or not a lot, like all kinds of latin styles.

He also could work on his lyrics.

BobbyPin said:

I was waiting for someone to respond to that. I remember when Anji was posting all kindsa stuff last year. I thought he had learned his lesson, but no.

Oh well.....

Without being bothered to read any of the responses to the initial thread, lemme say this; I would love Prince to be bankable again.

Most obvious move to me, as a fan, I would love to see him get serious about his vaulted material and please the people that have been supporting him in so many ways the last three decades.

Then I would love him to go into a studio, surrounded by artists that challenge him, like Wendy & Lisa did, like Eric Leeds did, like Renato Neto did.
I would pick a Susan Rogers-like engineer, send them to Lenny Kravitz's studio, where he would jam for a few weeks with people like Meshell NdegeOcello, people who love him but are not too afraid to go against him, like I suppose people like D'Angelo would do. I rather hear Prince with people like Rashaan Patterson, who like to do their own thing, instead of blindly copying Prince's own style. Artists that tickle Prince's musicality.

And why Lenny's crib? Cuz he's got old-skool style equipment. Maybe some old fashioned drum computers, like Shuggie Otis used.

Then let him do his thang. Prince has so much stuff fluttering 'round in his brain that he needs a person or a company that limits his goals. Instead of drowning us with loads of third-rate material that easily floats from his pen ("Emancipatiooooon"), I want him to tinker. Re-discover the joys of crafting music, instead of mindlessly ripping of Do Me Baby and Adore again and come up with stuff like One Nite Alone, which was the last ballad that appealed to me.

I know Prince values his freedom as an artist, but the truth is his music became less appealing ever since the celebration of erecting the Paisley Park building (Lovesexy), some projects (like The Gold Experience) or songs (like One Night Alone) excluded.

I know it is a rhetorical question, but would it be a huge undertaking to make clear to Prince that a steady release of vaulted material through his internet site would not harm newly released material through more appealing ways like EP's and or singles, like Miles Davis and James Brown used to do?

onenitealone said:

Of course, for the bigger audience, it has hindered his carreer hugely. They could not care less and just smile when Little Red Corvette comes on the oldies show and wonder what the hell happened with him. I don't know how many times I have heard people say "Prince, is he still making music?"

I would love to see Prince use the new developments on the internet to quick release new stuff and pleasure old-skool fans with great quality products. I can talk hours about how I think his uptightness about releasing his own material only plays into the hands of the bootleggers.

For Prince, I think his carreer started meaning something else when he had his biggest successes and he wanted to be challenged another way. It is just too bad his challenges are so incomprehensible to the bigger audience and, to a big extent, his hardcore fanbase. And I am not talking about people who coo at every musical fart he lets fly. I rather talk to a person who dares to question his idol then one who just decided to like anything he does. Fams like that do not show a lot of individualism. I personally always cringe at fams saying they like anything he does cuz he is Prince, refering to him like he is a god-like being.

I already kind of went into your post in py previous posting without realising it. Check up on that too.

OdysseyMiles said:

Damn Right!

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Anxiety said:

Prince, od course does not seem to think in terms of markets, unless he needs money [Diamonds & Pearls] or has sumthing to prove [The Gold Experience].
Or just does sumthing cuz he can (like the Musicology tour tie-in with it's album sales), the cocky bastid.

He knows he has a hardcore fanbase that will buy anything he does, so is always asured of a certain income. Only when something stimulates him to do so, he gets off his bony behind to stick his whatever in the faces of the bigger audiences.

I just wished that something would be equally pleasing to all his fans, instead of just acting on a whim. Sometimes gambles pay off (like Dirty Mind), other times they bomb (Graffity Bridge-style).

Prince's carreer and goals change with every release. For instance, The Rainbow Children was personal, so it had him interacting with fans on a personal level. As soon as he is satisfied or bored with it, he moves on to another goal, whatever it is.

To me, he is the wittiest businessman in the universe. Too bad he seems to interact with the wrong kind of fan (read fam) on an everyday basis, resulting in his warped sense of what he thinks his fanbase wants.
Then again, when he does listen, like with his release of One Nite Alone (the album), when he thought he'd silence his fans with an acoustic album, something they had been asking for for years, he is irritated by the luke-warm response.

No, I do not want another Revolution style album. To me, the diversity of their releases together were what tickled me. To me the diversity of styles on Sign The Times alone was breath-taking. I am sure he wanted to create a STT for the next milennium with Emancipation, but the scope of that album was too big and it's musicality too limited.

I, posting about how I would like him to work with people like Björk or Meshell, do not demand him to do these particular things. I respect his individuality, even if it produces a product I do not like in it's entirety. But I rather see him work with people that stimulate him, like the people I mentioned, beyond the fact I know he listens to their records, than people like, let's say sumthing wild, Carmen Electra.
Musically; Carmen; no. Martika; yes.
Vanity; yes. Mayte; no.
The Time; yes. The Time after 1984; no.
The Family; yes. These are the projects that had him going. Still have, as he seems to be still be playing my 'yes'-artist's songs, unlike the ones of my 'no'-artists.

I would love to see Jack White in Prince's studio, bringing his blues records and then afterwards would love to hear them jam on them tunes, creating some new ones.

But that is all about me, as every answer on this thread is all about the person that posts. Prince is also an entity. And he does what he likes. Tuf luck for us.

Anxiety said:

People's minds have gone all funny ever since the video reports.

HamsterHuey said:

hey sexy, thanks for your posts....very interesting and thought out...its nice to read statements beyond the, "yes" "no" nature.....

sosgemini said:

I am sitting at home, kind of sniffle-ish, so bored outa my wits.

And thanks! It is easy not to elaborate. Prince's music, esp his old material, is still very much dear to my heart, so easy to elaborate on...

Even though he has not recently touched my heart (or my hips, dance-wise) with his music, I still like his voice like no other, except maybe, Roísín Murphy's or Björk's.

They say the same thing bout michael jackson lol

1nitealone said:

amd madge fans are probably just as frustrated coming off of american life...just look at how they are all posting in Prince:Music More right now about what they are hoping the new album will be like..

but prince fans? nooo....we cant discuss our hopes...our desires..cause prince dont owe us shit so just shut the fuck up and end all discussions...