LoveAlive said:

i would....but the majority of the Prince: Non-Music folk would disagree and declare this woman:



oh yeah, thats a lot of talent there..

sosgemini said:

who is that lady? Gwen Stefani?

LoveAlive said:

The argument can be made that she's the best contemporary artist since Prince, regardless of genre.

Who the hell is Meshell ??

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

Thank you Supa, that's the only way to compare the 2 that actually makes any sense.

calin said:

CalhounSq said:

sosgemini said:

I wish he would write I Hate You type material over and over. He seems to re-hash Emancipation material over and over lately with the exceptions of the Rainbow Children and N.E.W.S.. That said, Prince proved himself in the 1980s so I don't expect him or any musician to still be cutting edge when they've been in the business for damn near 30 years. We will feel the same about Meshell when she gets to that point as well. It happens to EVERYBODY. Comparing Meshell's music to Prince's late 2nd and 3rd decade is flawed because he had already peaked. If we compared Prince's 80-88 streak to Stevie Wonder's music in that decade Prince would win by a mile. The gentleman feautred in my avatar bucked this trend, but he slowed down at points during the 70's and 80's. Regardless, it's really a pointless comparison.
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Supa: IMHO, the better comparison is:

P

• Dirty Mind
  
• Controversy
  
• 1999
  
• PR
  
• ATWIAD
  
• Parade
  
• SOTT
  
• Lovesexy
  

M

• Plantation Lullabies
  
• Peace Beyond Passion
  
• Bitter
  
• Cookie, The Anthropological Mix Tape
  
• Comfort Woman
  
• Dance of the Infidels
  

That is, Me'Shell's run in the last 10 years is as varied and surprising as Prince's 80's run, tho maybe not as great on the whole. IMHO it's the best run since Prince's 80's run.



Right now, comparatively (and relatively) speaking, I think she's well on her way on the strength of Peace through Comfort Woman alone.

MetroArea said:

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You have not missed anything. Unless you like music to commit suicide too.

I don't think Prince has been at his best until last year. I would in no way say the Meshell has been doing any better in the last decade.

I can't think of anyone other than Meshell who has gone out of her way to make her music inaccessible. Even the music critics are not on jock anymore and no I am not including the lastest project because I have not heard it yet.

I will soon found out if she has come to her senses.

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

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Jesus dude your comparing the music industry of the late 70's to the 90's Maverick label.

Sorry Me'Sell does not have a "Sign Of The Times" No masterpiece and no desire for universal appeal. Therefore, I can't see how they can even be compared.

laurarichardson said:

I'm comparing apples to apples, Princes first 6 albums and Me'Shells first 6 albums. Music is music regardless of time. A kick ass album is a kick ass album whether it came from the 60s, 70s, 80s or 90s. Straight out the gate Me'Shell had your brain reeling with thought. Her consistent lyrical content alone makes Prince look like a buffoon singing about cunts all those years.

And while you obviously don't appreciate her music as much as Prince's, if at all, her catalogue is uncompromised and brilliant. And as much of a pioneer as Prince has been in his career, I'm surprised you'd used mass appeal as a gauge of what is quality material.

Knock the woman all you want, she's a genius. Too bad you can't see it.

I like a lot Me'shell but I also think you have gone mad. Comparing Me'Shell's run in the last 10 years to Prince's 80's run...please! Sign o the times has more great songs than all her albums put together.

You also forget one thing: concerts! I saw her live two months ago, it was good but not great. She's trying to mix the 70's Miles sound with drum and bass, Although interesting, it was pretty messy. Not even close to Prince in its worst shape. My feeling is that she spends a lot of time polishing her sound in studio and that she surrounds herself with incredible musicians. Look at her last album, it's more a group project and it's not very clear to which extent she designed the whole thing.

laurarichardson said:

As Whitney would say, HELL to the NAW!!!!

julien said:

You can compare the parameters of an artistic run without getting into a qualitative comparison.

Me'Shell has been able to meld and re-interpret soul, blues, jazz, rock and even hip-hop into a distinctive sound, much like P did with rock, funk, soul, pop and jazz in the 80's. But few here would argue that P's run is the best since Stevie's in the 1970's.

Me'Shell has arguably been the most creative and innovative artist of the last 10 years. As was Prince in the 80's. That don't mean Me'Shell's legacy equals or exceeds P's (as if it's easy to judge that!).



Good points, but she is going in a different direction these days.

IMHO Prince is the greatest live performer today and has been for years.

laurarichardson said:

l/r:

I think the better comparison is Prince's 80' stuff and Me'Shell's 90's stuff. It is highly difficult, but not impossible, to compare their bodies of work and where they stand/stood in the landscape of the respective era.

As for Me'Shell not having a SOTT, what artist since then has an SOTT? But IMHO Bitter IS a masterpiece albeit lacking in universal appeal.

I'm with Supa to the extent that Me'Shell's run so far is composed of the same type of elements as Prince's 80's run.

i also think bjork has equalled (if not exceeded) prince....

wallysafford said:

Prince is a Vowel and Meshell is a Consonant.

Her brilliance would not exist without his influence....
End of debate

Snake said:

this isnt a debate....its just people sharing their own personal opinions on the topic/subject.

but thanks for sharing yours.....

come on folks, more people share their perspective...this can be fun and harmless.....

I think a lot of fans of Prince tend to never see his flaws and while I will admit that I think that Prince is THE top artist to come out since himself, I think a lot of this reknown comes from his past work and not current material. I think that it IS accurate to compare Meshell's albums to the albums Prince released in the same time frame as Meshell's BECAUSE they were both subject to the same musical climate. Since Meshell was not recording when "Lovesexy" or "For You" was released why would you compare those collection of albums quantitatively to Meshell's run of recordings? Meshell and Prince were musical peers from her intitial release in 1993 until now therefor,regardless if Prince had peaked and was on "cruise control" in the 90's is besides the point...I think that if you musically put Prince's albums from 1995-2005 against Meshell's material, I think Prince may have a solid 2-3 discs of good material(out of all the albums he put out in the last decade) with Meshell having about 5 discs of good material having put out only 6 discs..

LoveAlive said:

WRONG WRONG WRONG

The Times are different! Also the musical maturity that Prince displayed early on, people were not prepared to handle! He broke the Commercial ground for many after him.Meshell is sailing on the boat that Prince made! I'm sure she'll admit that herself!

Recently his work like "the Truth" "NEWS" and "ONE Night Alone"(Studio CD) & "Rainbow Children" have proven that,He's still in charge musically! Don't you realize Mile Davis BeGGed! To Record with this Man! THE MilEs DAVIS!

Think before you speak,Prince composes music in His sleep!

Snake said:

never heard of her.....which worrys me ....why have i not heard of her when some of you think she is better than prince?

sosgemini said:

exhibit A of how you are totally not familiar with this forum...

Handclapsfingasnapz said:

1) this isnt your forum (or anybody elses for that matter)

2) do you have anything to share on actual topic?

sosgemini said:

but it's the truth--you do have to have somewhat of a feel for the forum in order to know how it functions and why things happen the way they do. you can't just stroll on here and immediately think things are hunky-dory.

be studious.

Handclapsfingasnapz said:

keep telling yourself that...


im just here having fun....

sosgemini said:

okay...but don't say i ain't warned you after the fact.

my friends, my family, my career is my life..


www.prince.org is not my life....the minute I start creating a herarchy and a system in my head (over this site?) is the day i need to turn my computer off and go and enjoy some fresh air...



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laurarichardson said:

Alright I love Meshell but this comment is funny as all get out.

I loved Plantation Lullibies and a good portion of Peace Beyond Passion. Absolutely hated virtually everything on Bitter (except Wasted Time), Liked portions on "Cookie..", and hated "Comfort Woman". I havent' heard Dance of the Infidel yet.