Author | Message |
What would u say if Prince knocked on Ur door as a JW and asked "wanna talk about Jesus" On the quiet suburban streets of Minneapolis, he cuts a remarkable figure. Dressed in a tailor-made suit and trademark stack heels, he steps lightly out of his purring limo and, surrounded by four bodyguards, approaches the modest picket-fenced homes. And to each astonished resident opening their doors to the peculiar group, multi-millionaire superstar Prince quietly asks: "Would you like to talk about Jesus?" Welcome to the new world of the man who once outraged a nation with the song Sexy MF and who changed his name to a symbol. Gone are the wild parties, the womanising and the bizarre all-purple lifestyle. Instead, 45-year-old Prince's hedonistic excesses have been replaced with door-to-door preaching and Bible study classes. Credit for this remarkable transformation, the Daily Mirror can reveal, is down to his mother's dying wishes, new wife Manuela Testolini, who, at 27, is 18 years his junior, and his baptism as a Jehovah's Witness. It is Manuela - the fan-turned-employee-turned-spouse - who has stood by his side as he embraced his new faith and it is she who has helped him return to the musical spotlight after years of obscurity. This month sees the release of his critically-acclaimed new album Musicology and he recently made a triumphant return to performing at the Grammy awards. The bid to recapture his position among the pop elite is music to the ears of Canadian-born Manuela. Prince - who has romanced a string of women, including Sheena Easton, Susanna Hoffs of The Bangles, Madonna, Kim Basinger, Kristin Scott Thomas and Carmen Electra - has never been a big fan of monogamy. But now, in middle-age, he seems to have adopted it with Manuela. But the way he and Mani, as she is known, met and married is a strange combination of fairytale and stalker fantasy. She grew up in a tiny two-bed apartment in a run-down block on the thundering Don Mills Road in Toronto, Canada. She was a plain teenager who, as a high school student, was known as an avid Prince fan. Her passion for the diminutive musician continued at York University in Toronto - where she studied for a degree in art - to the detriment of her social life. Fellow student Sorayah Kassim-Lakha remembers her regularly playing her hero's hits, particularly If I Was Your Girlfriend and I Wanna Be Your Lover. "Mani was always very quiet at college," Sorayah says. "She didn't go in for parties and stuff like that. "She was only ever interested in her art and in Prince. She was obsessed with him. It's all she ever talked about." Mani was a frequent visitor to the internet fan club alt.music.prince, a forum devoted to her then hero and now husband. She admitted to being a "lurker" - someone who watches what others say but seldom joins in conversations. One of the UK fans who did talk to her online was Antony Golding from Bolton, Lancs. "It's all a bit surreal," he says. "She was just a fan who posted a couple of messages and then suddenly she was working at his Paisley Park recording studios... and then she was his wife." Manuela graduated from university in the summer of 1998 and soon after she landed her dream job working with the singer. That year, she received a brief credit on Prince's New Power Soul album. Twelve months later, she became his assistant. Rumours quickly began to circulate that she was more than just a member of staff before his marriage to first wife Mayte Garcia was annulled in May 2000. Less than three years earlier, Mayte had given birth to the couple's son Gregory, who tragically only lived a week before dying from the rare bone condition Pfeiffer Syndrome, a genetic skull deformity. Soon after the annulment, Prince, who was once worth £100million, took Manuela with him to Bible study classes with the Jehovah's Witnesses. After a hush-hush romance, superstar and fan tied the knot in a Jehovah's Witness wedding in Hawaii on New Year's Eve 2001. A year later, in a private ceremony at the Kingdom Hall in Chanhassen, Minnesota, Prince and Mani were baptised into their new faith in front of the 167-strong congregation. A small bathtub-sized pool was hired for the occasion. Wearing knee-length robes with swimsuits underneath, they became full members of the church by being immersed in the pool. Ronald Scofield - one of the elders of the Chanhassen Congregation, Prince's new place of worship - says it was a special day for all. "Every time one of our members gets baptised it's exciting. But this was exceptionally exciting because it was someone who has made a lot of changes to their life. "We have watched Prince since he started studying the Bible and noticed a dramatic change. It's something to be very proud of." The death of Prince's mother, jazz singer Mattie Shaw, was a turning point for the star, who has sold more than 100million albums. Her dying wishes were for him to become a Jehovah's Witness, as she had been for most of her life, and to see him married. He tied the knot with Mani weeks before his mother passed away and six months after the death of his father, pianist and bandleader John L Nelson. As part of his new life, Prince and Manuela pay weekly visits to the residents of Minneapolis. At times, Scofield accompanies the couple and their bodyguards. He admits it can take a good few minutes before stunned homeowners recover from the shock of finding a superstar at their door. Speaking publicly about Prince's new beliefs for the first time, Scofield confirms: "He's so well known that when he turns up on people's doorsteps, it really surprises them. "To see him in a Christian lifestyle is very pleasant. He's doing very well and spiritually he seems to be making a great deal of progress, too. "We go on Bible studies together and work in field service, the door-to-door ministry that Jehovah's Witnesses are known for. When you get past the initial shock of actually meeting Prince, he is very persuasive. He uses the scriptures very well." After a decade of seclusion, the man christened Prince Rogers Nelson is back to being plain old Prince and playing the hits that made him famous such as Purple Rain, Let's Go Crazy and Little Red Corvette. And no longer is he synonymous with Paisley Park and Minneapolis. These days, he and Manuela spend much of their time in Los Angeles or the sprawling £3million grey stone mansion he bought at 61 The Bridle Path in an upmarket area of Toronto. At first, mystery surrounded the purchase of the luxury home by a firm called Gamillah Holdings, until it was discovered that the company's president is one Manuela Testolini. While the couple are away touring the US, builders are constructing a large gatehouse and a new fence, complete with tennis court and pool. Though it seems a world away, the estate is just a five-minute drive from Mani's parents' tiny apartment. Despite the age gap and the star's colourful past, Prince has been welcomed with open arms by the Testolini family. In January, residents of the village of Calabogie - on the outskirts of Ottawa - couldn't believe their eyes when he and Mani arrived in a gleaming limousine for the modest wedding of her sister Daniela to businessman Michael Dykeman. Onlookers say Prince and his wife happily mingled with the other 80 guests during the reception at the Dickson Manor ski lodge. The singer admits that along with a new wife, he also has a new set of values. "There's no more envelope to push," he says. "I pushed it off the table. It's on the floor. Let's move forward." Prince also says that TV viewers are now bombarded with dirty music videos. "Back when I made sexy tunes, the sexiest thing on TV was Dynasty and if you watch it now, it's like the Brady Bunch," he explains. "My song Darling Nikki was considered porn because I said the word masturbate. That's not me any more." But with the new tour and album to sell, maybe the wife and new beliefs are just another marketing tool being used by one of the world's ultimate showmen. Among those with a view about the "new" Prince is Minneapolis gossip columnist CJ, who has followed his career for years, much to the annoyance of the artist himself who wrote a song about her called Billy Jack Bitch. "A lot of credit is being given to Manuela," she says. "Both his parents died recently, too. And that's the last barrier to realising that you, too, will die. Maybe that's the reason for the change in personality. "He was always capable of monogamy but the man got bored quickly. The traumatic death of his baby changed all that. It affected him in a big way. "People are curious as to why he's changed. The joke here in Minneapolis is that it looks like they finally got the medication right." | |
- E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |
Shit! If it was me, I'd B like "SURE, come on in..." Feed them somethin' while they talk. Then say... "I will buy that Bible from u, sure, if u sign it." lol! Then send them on there way! | |
- E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |
it take him into my crib
tie him to a chair and make funny faces till he'd get real scared then I'd turn on the neon and play with myself until I'd turn him on -supafunkycalifragisexy! and true love lives on lollipops and crisps | |
- E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |
Goldniga said: Shit! If it was me, I'd B like "SURE, come on in..." Feed them somethin' while they talk. Then say... "I will buy that Bible from u, sure, if u sign it." lol! Then send them on there way!
So U wouldn't be tempted 2 ask P about dem there ass-less pants, whilst Ur watching his sex scene with Apples on DVD and listening 2 'Sister' in the background [Edited 6/29/05 7:20am] | |
- E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |
I'd say, "sure, and I'd like to talk to you about Taoism. Want a cup of roasted yerba mate?" | |
- E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |
I'd say 'Sure, I enjoy discussing fictional characters'. Don't worry, I can't get pregnant - my ovaries are diseased...... | |
- E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |
MetroArea said: I'd say 'Sure, I enjoy discussing fictional characters'.
and the Holocaust didn't happen either, right? | |
- E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |
I'd say, "hello, little man with a big head."
then see how it goes from there. | |
- E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |
TheFrog said: I'd say, "hello, little man with a big head."
then see how it goes from there. Prince would so kick you in the nuts... | |
- E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |
OdysseyMiles said: TheFrog said: I'd say, "hello, little man with a big head."
then see how it goes from there. Prince would so kick you in the nuts... i know. anyway, in truth, i'd let him in, offer him a drink and have a chat - wouldn't everyone? | |
- E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |
TheFrog said: OdysseyMiles said: Prince would so kick you in the nuts... i know. anyway, in truth, i'd let him in, offer him a drink and have a chat - wouldn't everyone? No not me I'd tell Prince that im looking 4 the ladder, but I feel so much temptaion that I gotta broken heart again..if those cheesy references 2 his song didn't phase him I'd just offer 2 jack him off | |
- E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |
LadyB0yCabDriver said: TheFrog said: i know. anyway, in truth, i'd let him in, offer him a drink and have a chat - wouldn't everyone? No not me I'd tell Prince that im looking 4 the ladder, but I feel so much temptaion that I gotta broken heart again..if those cheesy references 2 his song didn't phase him I'd just offer 2 jack him off You know, i actually believe that you would be that annoying. | |
- E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |
TheFrog said: LadyB0yCabDriver said: No not me I'd tell Prince that im looking 4 the ladder, but I feel so much temptaion that I gotta broken heart again..if those cheesy references 2 his song didn't phase him I'd just offer 2 jack him off You know, i actually believe that you would be that annoying. | |
- E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |
I'd tell him the same thing I tell all the other jw's that come to my door.
The truth. Lovesexy Funkateer | |
- E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |
I would tell him that the only reason I didn't slam the door in his face is because he was Prince and I am a big fan. I would welcome him in and, every chance I would get, I would try to change the subject over to his music. If he didn't get mad and leave, then I would bring up his personal life. Andy is a four letter word. | |
- E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |
TheFrog said: I'd say, "hello, little man with a big head."
then see how it goes from there. Can't wait till i meet him now!! Excellent! No Freestyling. | |
- E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |
TheFrog said: OdysseyMiles said: Prince would so kick you in the nuts... i know. anyway, in truth, i'd let him in, offer him a drink and have a chat - wouldn't everyone? Yeah. Anyone here who says otherwise is frontin'. | |
- E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |
OdysseyMiles said: TheFrog said: i know. anyway, in truth, i'd let him in, offer him a drink and have a chat - wouldn't everyone? Yeah. Anyone here who says otherwise is frontin'. That's the truth. I would let him in, let him talk, let him read all the scriptures he wants...and then if he offered to return (as they always do if the person seems the least bit interested), I would say yes! Then we would make the arrangements, and when he returned, I would have a couple of my best friends there to share the experience. Hopefully we would become friends and I would go to the KH when he invited me, and then go home for lunch with him and Mani. That's the way it usually happens. So then I would say...can I call you and let you know if I will be home Monday for the study??? Then he would give me his number. Then he would also invite me to listen to some live music... Somewhere about there I would confess that I am a witness already. Then he would kill me.... but I would have had fun!!! So...how's everybody doing? | |
- E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |
I'd say, what the fuck is Ronnie Corbett doing at my door? “If I can shoot rabbits/then I can shoot fascists” | |
- E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |
Snap said: MetroArea said: I'd say 'Sure, I enjoy discussing fictional characters'.
and the Holocaust didn't happen either, right? We have physical evidence of the Holocaust, all we have of Jesus is a some fanatic dogma written a few centuries after his purported existence. Oh, and the fact that the EXACT same story is told all throughout the globe about a plethora of other characters who shared the same life events as Jesus, only these stories predate the story of Jesus often by several millenia. So it's always a possibility the story isn't completely an astrological allegory and someone lived that life, but it doesn't seem like it was a dude from Bethlehem in 1AD. Don't worry, I can't get pregnant - my ovaries are diseased...... | |
- E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |
We have physical evidence of the Holocaust, all we have of Jesus is a some fanatic dogma written a few centuries after his purported existence.
Oh, and the fact that the EXACT same story is told all throughout the globe about a plethora of other characters who shared the same life events as Jesus, only these stories predate the story of Jesus often by several millenia. The messianic-savior was written (and talked about) in Hebrew prophecies thousands of years before He walked this earth, so it doesn't surprise me that some other religions (e.g. Zoroastrianism) would have their own stories of a messiah-type figure. But the fact is: the life of Jesus matched these prophecies perfectly (unlike these other false christs), and He walked this earth in the flesh around time of approximately 3 B.C. to 30 A.D. It is a matter of historical record, not only written centuries afterward like you fanatically say, but written during his time. Many of his contemporaries wrote about him, as did the Jewish historians of his day. Read up now, it's gettin' on time to close. Seriously. I'm sure some people in the P&R forum will fill you in on the details if you think it might be helpful to know. peace | |
- E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |
Snap said: The messianic-savior was written (and talked about) in Hebrew prophecies thousands of years before He walked this earth, so it doesn't surprise me that some other religions (e.g. Zoroastrianism) would have their own stories of a messiah-type figure. But the fact is: the life of Jesus matched these prophecies perfectly (unlike these other false christs), and He walked this earth in the flesh around time of approximately 3 B.C. to 30 A.D. It is a matter of historical record, not only written centuries afterward like you fanatically say, but written during his time. Many of his contemporaries wrote about him, as did the Jewish historians of his day. Read up now, it's gettin' on time to close. Seriously. I'm sure some people in the P&R forum will fill you in on the details if you think it might be helpful to know. peace
Quite an imaginary world you live in where it seems that theory and philosophy are counted as fact and you obviously have never read up on other "religions" to claim the hilarious crap you did up there... Neversin. O(+>NIИ<+)O
“Is man merely a mistake of God's? Or God merely a mistake of man's?” - Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche | |
- E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |
It wouldn't matter what Prince wanted to talk about. Jesus, the devil, the state of race relations in America, or the fact that he just saved a bunch of money on his car insurance by switching to Geico, my answer would be the same.
"Yeah, baby!!!!!" | |
- E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |
Id let him in and listen 2 what he has 2 say.Id ask questions 2-I like hearing about other people's worldviews even if I dont believe them. | |
- E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |
Neversin said: Quite an imaginary world you live in where it seems that theory and philosophy are counted as fact and you obviously have never read up on other "religions" to claim the hilarious crap you did up there...
Neversin. Based on my few sentences you're going to assume I "obviously have never read up on other 'religions'"? I majored in Religious Studies (and not in a Christian college either), including several classes on the study and philosophy of world religions. If you were expecting me to give evidence of that, I'm sorry I failed you. | |
- E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |
i would say "yes baby! and you're not leaving until i'm converted!!! Join me under the waterfall
Climb the rainbow tree love is my color when I am shown love in return | |
- E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |
Id let him in the house then jump on him tie him up gag him and carry him away to some far far away place were we can be together forever No Freestyling. | |
- E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |
Snap said: We have physical evidence of the Holocaust, all we have of Jesus is a some fanatic dogma written a few centuries after his purported existence.
Oh, and the fact that the EXACT same story is told all throughout the globe about a plethora of other characters who shared the same life events as Jesus, only these stories predate the story of Jesus often by several millenia. The messianic-savior was written (and talked about) in Hebrew prophecies thousands of years before He walked this earth, so it doesn't surprise me that some other religions (e.g. Zoroastrianism) would have their own stories of a messiah-type figure. But the fact is: the life of Jesus matched these prophecies perfectly (unlike these other false christs), and He walked this earth in the flesh around time of approximately 3 B.C. to 30 A.D. It is a matter of historical record, not only written centuries afterward like you fanatically say, but written during his time. Many of his contemporaries wrote about him, as did the Jewish historians of his day. Read up now, it's gettin' on time to close. Seriously. I'm sure some people in the P&R forum will fill you in on the details if you think it might be helpful to know. peace Which is why the Orthodox faith is described as the apocalypse. People are just pushed further away from all these altered religions of Christianity that moved away from the original Orthodox faith (and went on to make their on rules for Catholic, Protestant etc) that have turned into fanatics and do not see it as a way of life but more of a study and forceful pushing to get people to conform. But, im not gonna talk bout that here. No Freestyling. | |
- E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |
Wow i just realised the huge contrast between my last 2 posts No Freestyling. | |
- E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |
Looks really interesting, but that's too damn much to read. Don't hurt me, I'm a newb. I'm supposed to be stupid. | |
- E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |