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Printabledealodelandron said: murph said: Murph---For the record, there must be something wrong with the site because I never said the quote above...Those are dealodelandron's words, not mine..... The only part I wrote was this..."You're oversimplifying the subject and we should all know that the justice system is far from perfect to say the least. But you're certainly not obligated to understand. I'm curious though, are you saying that you have to like everything a person says or does to enjoy a song by a particular artist?" NO...I'm talking about both statements...I never said any of those things...There must have been a mix-up...I'm the guy that said the negative comment about Jay-Z's "99 Problems" was a bit misinformed and lazy...And no...you don't have to like everything someone says to dig them...never said it..Cool? [Edited 6/28/05 14:02pm] [Edited 6/28/05 14:05pm] | |
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murph said: dealodelandron said: The only part I wrote was this..."You're oversimplifying the subject and we should all know that the justice system is far from perfect to say the least. But you're certainly not obligated to understand. I'm curious though, are you saying that you have to like everything a person says or does to enjoy a song by a particular artist?" NO...I'm talking about both statements...I never said any of those things...There must have been a mix-up...I'm the guy that said the negative comment about Jay-Z's "99 Problems" was a bit misinformed and lazy...And no...you don't have to like everything someone says to dig them...never said it..Cool? [Edited 6/28/05 14:02pm] [Edited 6/28/05 14:05pm] ok, cool. i see. | |
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musicology74 said: As for kids and Prince, it doesn't matter when they were fans. You have examples from 1978, some footage from 1984, posts telling you babies react to Housequake and kids that can't get out of their mom's Prince collection. Kids can get into many kinds of music, especially if they are musically inclined. There's nothing incredible about a kid liking Prince. I think we all listen to the music that is played in our house and grow to appreciate some of it. Of course kids love Music, and love the rythm of the music... But I don't believe that a kid or a baby can enjoy his music the same way as adult people do... Common, do you really think that kids understand his lyrics, notice how good Prince plays guitar, or understand the subject of his song and all the meanings ??? This is what I said... [Edited 6/24/05 15:55pm] [Edited 6/24/05 15:55pm] i was totally going 2 keep my trap shut, but as a 5 year old, i understood how good a guitarist prince was when i heard bambi. granted, i didn't understand the lyrics, but the music did something 4 me. and please, don't say i didn't get music then, because at that point, i had been playing piano for 2 years. now i know i had trouble with my scales, but i understood music, and got prince right off the bat. u shouldn't say that a kid doesn't get music, espesially around some one who was humming before he could talk. peace immortally beloved, james aaron[/quote] I repeat once again, a kid CAN'T get the music the same way than an adult... A kid don't have the skills to understand what is great music and what it's not, it's only a matter of rythm and melody... When you said me that when you were 5 years old, you understood how good guitarist prince was... I'm laughing at you man... It's strange because when I ws a kid, I didn't know that Prince was playing all the instrument in his records... (a kid don't care about this detail). Plus in the early 80's most of the mainstream artists were playing guitar or piano as hell, playing guitar was nothing that great... So I can't believe how you were able to understand how good prince was at the age of 5 ... What were your references to consider Prince as a good guitar player and not an average player ??? And it's not only about Prince, but if you said me the same thing about others guitarists I would say the same... Common It's impossible to do that when you are a kid... |
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xpsiter said: krayzie said: Sorry,but I've never really believed people saying when "I was a kid I was a big fan of Prince..."
Prince and his music has always been strictly for the teenage/adult people... So I don't believe that a young kid could understand all the meanings of Prince music... And enjoying it....  I'm glad you started your statement off with that line. I enjoyed "IWBYL" the moment it came out. You don't have to truly understand the meaning of a song to enjoy it. How many songs are out there that you don't fully understand the meaning that the artist intended? Plenty, I'm pretty sure. 
...unless your idea of a "kid" is only for one who is under 5...  You enjoyed IWBYL because it was a pop/rnb single... Don't make me believe that a kid can understand why Sign O the Times is considered as the Prince's best work, why Purple Rain was such great album, and why Prince is such a great genius... His music was strictly for the teenage/adult public... A kid can't understand the meanings of Dirty Mind or Darling Nikki.... This is why I don't believe the original user of this thread... |
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laurarichardson said: murph said: Okay...great point....respect....only, you are forgetting that P was dissing hip-hop in the beginning...My argument has nothing to do with Tony M...it has to do with Prince being a hypocrite (WTF). It has to do with the man's early ignorance of hip-hop which influenced him to pick up the hometown rapper with no skills...And by the way, the argument was from an earlier post about Tony M and Prince, which was brought up again...My post was addressed to to another person and not you...but it's all love...now can we get back to the real discussion? [Edited 6/24/05 14:48pm] ----- My argument has nothing to do with Tony M...it has to do with Prince being a hypocrite (WTF). You think P was a hypocrite. I think he was trying to survive in a music industry that went Rap crazy in the 90's. Everybody had to have a rapper on their songs in R n B music. I doubt if all of the artist were Hip-Hop fans. I think some had no say in it like Chaka Khan ( I Feel For You ) and some gave into due to pressure to sell records. In addition, people are allowed to change their minds. You don't cut P any slack about Tony M but, the public is sure out buying that awful Black Eyed Peas and I don't see anyone flipping out over that. What does the Black Eyed Peas have to do with Prince, Tony M and hip-hop? And for the record, Black Eyed Peas started out as a tolerable hip-hop group early on...Then they recruited the white chick, went pop and have been annoringly corny ever since...The mainstream may be falling for that crap..but their older followers and hip-hop fans know that they are bullshit... | |
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murph said: laurarichardson said: ----- My argument has nothing to do with Tony M...it has to do with Prince being a hypocrite (WTF). You think P was a hypocrite. I think he was trying to survive in a music industry that went Rap crazy in the 90's. Everybody had to have a rapper on their songs in R n B music. I doubt if all of the artist were Hip-Hop fans. I think some had no say in it like Chaka Khan ( I Feel For You ) and some gave into due to pressure to sell records. In addition, people are allowed to change their minds. You don't cut P any slack about Tony M but, the public is sure out buying that awful Black Eyed Peas and I don't see anyone flipping out over that. What does the Black Eyed Peas have to do with Prince, Tony M and hip-hop? And for the record, Black Eyed Peas started out as a tolerable hip-hop group early on...Then they recruited the white chick, went pop and have been annoringly corny ever since...The mainstream may be falling for that crap..but their older followers and hip-hop fans know that they are bullshit... ----- What does the Black Eyed Peas have to do with Prince, Tony M and hip-hop? You critical of P's choice of a rapper in his music but I don't think the masses really care if rappers are not from the streets, good, or relevant. I am using the BEP's as an example. Perhaps P was trying to incorp rap for the masses into his music to sell records. The masses have pretty much accepted that anyone can rap at this point i.e BEP's. I think P was a little bit ahead of his time with what he was trying to do. He changed his mind about rap and decided to use it the way that he wanted. | |
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krayzie said: musicology74 said: i was totally going 2 keep my trap shut, but as a 5 year old, i understood how good a guitarist prince was when i heard bambi. granted, i didn't understand the lyrics, but the music did something 4 me. and please, don't say i didn't get music then, because at that point, i had been playing piano for 2 years. now i know i had trouble with my scales, but i understood music, and got prince right off the bat. u shouldn't say that a kid doesn't get music, espesially around some one who was humming before he could talk. peace immortally beloved, james aaron I repeat once again, a kid CAN'T get the music the same way than an adult... A kid don't have the skills to understand what is great music and what it's not, it's only a matter of rythm and melody... When you said me that when you were 5 years old, you understood how good guitarist prince was... I'm laughing at you man... It's strange because when I ws a kid, I didn't know that Prince was playing all the instrument in his records... (a kid don't care about this detail). Plus in the early 80's most of the mainstream artists were playing guitar or piano as hell, playing guitar was nothing that great... So I can't believe how you were able to understand how good prince was at the age of 5 ... What were your references to consider Prince as a good guitar player and not an average player ??? And it's not only about Prince, but if you said me the same thing about others guitarists I would say the same... Common It's impossible to do that when you are a kid... sorry, but here cumz the smart arse. how old were U when U knew exactly what a fifth over high A flat was ? U can't say a child doesn't get music because U didn't get it. and as far, as guitarists, at that point, my hero was jimmy paige. the smart assery can go on. would U like 2 retract now, or later ?  [Edited 7/3/05 14:48pm] | |
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