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Aerogram said: krayzie said: 
 
Typical Prince fan statement... [Edited 6/23/05 17:25pm] I stand by my "typical" Prince fan statement. Now, I did not say Prince the sum of all these artists combined. I said he managed to represent their type of music for a new generation. He did it with credibility and originality, unlike people like Lenny Kravitz, and I think that is because Prince wasn't imitative right of the gate like Lenny, and did create his own sound. Of course Prince was very influenced by all the different artists that you just mentionned... And tried to incorporate all these influences in his music... Sometimes it works very well sometimes not... Most of the times he was all original, but sometimes he looked like a pure imitator... I critized you when you started to say Prince is in himself a celebration of all of american music and bla bla... He's more than Stevie, more than this or that blabla... Common it's a little bit too much, too corny... I appreciate we have different opinions but you sound derisive and dismissive of several posts here, like your assertion kids can't get into Prince. I direct you to the Purple Rain DVD and the video to Baby I'm a Star/I Would Die 4 U, where you will see with your own eyes two little girls nodding their heads with mouths wide open. Enjoy! I'm not derisive at all... But i think that some Prince fans go to far when they talk about Prince... Plus when you talk about the video Baby I'm Star, Prince was already a mainstream star after 1999 album .... during the 1999/Purple rain era, Prince unlarged his audience a lot... [Edited 6/24/05 10:15am] [Edited 6/24/05 10:16am] |
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krayzie said: morningsong said: I don't know about that. My daughter as a baby would dance up a storm to 'Housequake'. My husband and I found it hilariously cute. We'd use to turn the song on and off, just to watch her stop and start. Now I can't keep her out of my Prince CDs. Mmhhh sorry but do you really believe that your baby enjoyed Prince music (the melody, Prince voice, the lyrics, the subject of the song...) or only the rythm of the Music and nothing much... Common, a baby can't have the abilities to understand what is good music or not, it's all about rythm... [Edited 6/24/05 9:54am] ----- Cynical all the time it is no wonder your a rap fan. (LOL). If the woman is saying her baby enjoyed the music so be it. Who are you to say different. | |
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krayzie said:[quote] Aerogram said: Of course Prince was very influenced by all the different artists that you just mentionned... And tried to incorporate all these influences in his music... Sometimes it works very well sometimes not... Most of the times he was all original, but sometimes he looked like a pure imitator... I critized you when you started to say Prince is in himself a celebration of all of american music and bla bla... He's more than Stevie, more than this or that blabla... Common it's a little bit too much, too corny... I appreciate we have different opinions but you sound derisive and dismissive of several posts here, like your assertion kids can't get into Prince. I direct you to the Purple Rain DVD and the video to Baby I'm a Star/I Would Die 4 U, where you will see with your own eyes two little girls nodding their heads with mouths wide open. Enjoy! I'm not derisive at all... But i think that some Prince fans go to far when they talk about Prince... Plus when you talk about the video Baby I'm Star, Prince was already a mainstream star after 1999 album .... during the 1999/Purple rain era, Prince unlarged his audience a lot... [Edited 6/24/05 10:15am] [Edited 6/24/05 10:16am] ----- Yes your are Derisive and for some reason a P hater. | |
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murph said: Aerogram said: It's always perilous to assess a whole genre. Every single style has a large ratio of conventional music for every great record. Rock, Soul, punk funk.. they all had their share of unimaginative efforts. The fact real musicians were behind it didn't make it more compelling than an average rap record. Look at what rock became for a while, at the robotics of modern r n b. I think a good rap record can be just as rewarding as any if it's made by the right people, whether they can play an instrument or not. In a way, a programming software or unit is a musical instrument. It takes imagination and taste to put together great tracks. As for the rapping itself, it does take a strong rythm sense and lyrical flair, even if most rappers don't exactly rise to the occasion. The whole thug culture is despicable - so maybe it had a documentary edge at the beginning but now it's just endless aping of the worst stereotypes, not to mention the misoginy. But you just can't judge a whole genre so swiftly, because all it takes to show something is musically interesting is a couple of Public Enemy's. Rap has definitely demonstrated its musical relevance even if so many acts have made it hard to remember. Ditto...Thankyou for your insight.....And really, we don't even have to keep bringing up Public Enemy from the past to prove the point....There's some hip-hop out there today that's going beyond the bullshit (Common, OutKast, MF Doom, the Roots, Kanye West, Jay Z (dude is a sick lyricist...it's hard to front on him talent wise), David Banner ect...) Like most genre's of music, hip-hop is suffering through a recycled period...but so was rock...and country is going through the same shit (Toby Keith WTF????).... ----- 99 problems and a bitch ait one of them. What a lyrical genius (WTF). You take Jay Z seriously. The guy can't put two words together. | |
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krayzie said: laurarichardson said: ----- Not true. I was about 11 when I Want To Be Your Lover was out and I really liked that song. Yep of course "Wanna be your lover" was an average pop/rnb hit, so i understand that you enjoyed it, but I truly don't believe that you were fan of Prince music when he was in his Dirty Mind/Controversy period... During this time Prince made a very hardcore music with a lot of sexual meanings and gay/androgynous behaviours... A lot of (adult) people were shoked by his very explicit lyrics and his image... He talked about lesbianism, incest and masturbation, Common, it was the early 80's, how a young girl could enjoy songs like that ???
Prince was more an underground artist and his music was strictly for the 15/30 years old public... So when you affirmed "I enjoyed "Dirty Mind", Controversy" or "Sexuality" when you were 9/10 years old seems to me a little bit unbelievable... [Edited 6/24/05 9:52am] ----- I don't care what you believe. I remember hearing that song when I was 11 and I remember seeing the controversy video on T.V. I don't remember too much about Dirty Mind because it probaly did not get any radio play. I grew up in the D.C area. I live in Funk Central. I definitly was tuned in to P back in the day. Perhaps, in the white community P lyrics are shocking but, he is not the first to come along in RnB and be raunchy. Millie Jackson, Marvin Sease, and a guy named Blowfly that makes P sound like a school girl. | |
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murph said: laurarichardson said: ----- I know a lot of musicians and most of them are snobby about their craft. Why should they not be. They took the time to learn to play an instument and they are doing something that is 100% creative. Do you really think a rapper is being 100% creative by ripping off a sample from another artist. A rapper could choose to work with musicians but, most of them will not do it and I think we all know that deep down inside that know their talent is limited and they can't cut it with musicians. I will always belived that Prince tried to incorporate into his music because the pressured to do so by the mighty WB. When you work for a record company they expect you to sell records and if you have to change what you are doing to do so they don't care. I would also love to know what you think Hip-Hop cutural impact has been. Because this is what I see. 1)The destruction of RnB music. No singing and no musicianship. Just rapping 365 days out of the year. 2) A reliance on stereotypical images that demean African-Americans. 3) The promotion of misogynistic images that demean all woman. 4) The promotion of criminal acts as a means of survival. Nothing to be really proud of. Okay dog... Now you are turning the conversation to something entirely different...In my previous post, I acknowledge the fact that hip-hop has veered off from its artistic path in recent years. But in our original post we were talking about the '80s and Prince's snobbery towards an artform that threatened him. Hey, I'm responding to a cat that thinks It Takes A Nation Of Millions To Hold Us Back was not even on the level of Grafitti Bridge...I understand your contempt for hip hop...but if you couldn't see the revolutionary and groundbreaking spirit of this genre in the late 70's and throughout the '80s and even the early 90s, I'm sorry...Even today your God (Prince) has been able seperate the talentless MC's from the one's that are pushing the genre forward (Ex: his work with Common, his praise of Outkast ect...) And for the last time, Prince is human...Everyone has a little hypocrisy in them, and Prince is not immune...You think a record label could pressure him into doing rap???!!!! No, our boy simply saw the handwriting on the wall and tried to relate to the youth..Unfortunately, he got some wack ass MC's to work with...funny thing is, you probably wouldn't be able to distinguish Tony M. from Rakim...And I think that's the problem right now...There's one thing to not like a genre (I am not a huge fan of country), but i acknowledge it as a past artform... ----- Still going on about Tony M. 10 years later (WTF). Are any rappers selling 1.4 mill worth of tickets. Of course there is presure. Why do you think PR got made. Pressure to crossover. Pressure to sell records. You guys are so blind. [Edited 6/24/05 12:14pm] | |
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laurarichardson said: murph said: Okay dog... Now you are turning the conversation to something entirely different...In my previous post, I acknowledge the fact that hip-hop has veered off from its artistic path in recent years. But in our original post we were talking about the '80s and Prince's snobbery towards an artform that threatened him. Hey, I'm responding to a cat that thinks It Takes A Nation Of Millions To Hold Us Back was not even on the level of Grafitti Bridge...I understand your contempt for hip hop...but if you couldn't see the revolutionary and groundbreaking spirit of this genre in the late 70's and throughout the '80s and even the early 90s, I'm sorry...Even today your God (Prince) has been able seperate the talentless MC's from the one's that are pushing the genre forward (Ex: his work with Common, his praise of Outkast ect...) And for the last time, Prince is human...Everyone has a little hypocrisy in them, and Prince is not immune...You think a record label could pressure him into doing rap???!!!! No, our boy simply saw the handwriting on the wall and tried to relate to the youth..Unfortunately, he got some wack ass MC's to work with...funny thing is, you probably wouldn't be able to distinguish Tony M. from Rakim...And I think that's the problem right now...There's one thing to not like a genre (I am not a huge fan of country), but i acknowledge it as a past artform... ----- Still going on about Tony M. 10 years later (WTF). Are any rappers selling 1.4 mill worth of tickets. Of course there is presure. Why do you PR got made. Pressure to crossover. Pressure to sell records. You guys are so blind. aww!put a sock in it!  | |
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wallysafford said: laurarichardson said: ----- Still going on about Tony M. 10 years later (WTF). Are any rappers selling 1.4 mill worth of tickets. Of course there is presure. Why do you PR got made. Pressure to crossover. Pressure to sell records. You guys are so blind. aww!put a sock in it! ----- You put in a sock and get off of my topic. No one asked you rap fans to jump on | |
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laurarichardson said: wallysafford said: aww!put a sock in it! ----- You put in a sock and get off of my topic. No one asked you rap fans to jump on I'm not much of a rap fan really,i can respect how far it has come,but,really not a big fan. this isn't "just your topic" either. | |
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laurarichardson said: wallysafford said: aww!put a sock in it! ----- You put in a sock and get off of my topic. No one asked you rap fans to jump on  | |
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krayzie said:[quote] Aerogram said: Of course Prince was very influenced by all the different artists that you just mentionned... And tried to incorporate all these influences in his music... Sometimes it works very well sometimes not... Most of the times he was all original, but sometimes he looked like a pure imitator... I critized you when you started to say Prince is in himself a celebration of all of american music and bla bla... He's more than Stevie, more than this or that blabla... Common it's a little bit too much, too corny... I appreciate we have different opinions but you sound derisive and dismissive of several posts here, like your assertion kids can't get into Prince. I direct you to the Purple Rain DVD and the video to Baby I'm a Star/I Would Die 4 U, where you will see with your own eyes two little girls nodding their heads with mouths wide open. Enjoy! I'm not derisive at all... But i think that some Prince fans go to far when they talk about Prince... Plus when you talk about the video Baby I'm Star, Prince was already a mainstream star after 1999 album .... during the 1999/Purple rain era, Prince unlarged his audience a lot... [Edited 6/24/05 10:15am] [Edited 6/24/05 10:16am] Sometimes someone is really that good. I don't think it's an exageration to say that Prince is in himself a celebration of american music, because first of all I'd say this about some other artists and I'd particularly say it about someone as versatile as Prince is. As much as I love Stevie Wonder, I think Prince went one step further. That doesn't mean I think Prince songs are superior, just that he went further musically-speaking, in terms of expressing himself in different styles convincingly. On the other hand, Stevie was a pioneer and a model for Prince as a multi-instrumentalist. Both are the very best. If that is corny, then alright!` As for kids and Prince, it doesn't matter when they were fans. You have examples from 1978, some footage from 1984, posts telling you babies react to Housequake and kids that can't get out of their mom's Prince collection. Kids can get into many kinds of music, especially if they are musically inclined. There's nothing incredible about a kid liking Prince. I think we all listen to the music that is played in our house and grow to appreciate some of it. | |
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wallysafford said: laurarichardson said: ----- You put in a sock and get off of my topic. No one asked you rap fans to jump on I'm not much of a rap fan really,i can respect how far it has come,but,really not a big fan. this isn't "just your topic" either. ----- (Stevie Wonder of generation X )get back on the topic that I posted. | |
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Aerogram said: Sometimes someone is really that good. I don't think it's an exageration to say that Prince is in himself a celebration of american music, because first of all I'd say this about some other artists and I'd particularly say it about someone as versatile as Prince is. As much as I love Stevie Wonder, I think Prince went one step further. That doesn't mean I think Prince songs are superior, just that he went further musically-speaking, in terms of expressing himself in different styles convincingly. On the other hand, Stevie was a pioneer and a model for Prince as a multi-instrumentalist. Both are the very best. If that is corny, then alright!` Ok, I repeat the reason why I said you go too far is because of your original statement : However, I would go further because Prince is actually more than a Stevie Wonder. Somehow, he managed to represent black music as a whole (Sly, JB, Hendrix, etc.) AND The Beatles, Joni Mitchell and Santana AND create a whole sound very much his own , not to mention putting his personal twist on the greats I have just mentionned. In fact, today Prince is in himself a celebration of all of american music with the notable exception of country
It's like saying "Prince is American Music in one and only person forget about the rest..." Ok he tries to play different kind of style (he's not the first), most of the times very well and sometimes not that well... But damn... Common, it's too much, it's too big, too corny... I know you love Prince and I love him too... But you go too far... Everytime I read your statement I'm like WTF ??? If you think Prince went further than Stevie or he is better than him, I respect your point on view, even if I disagree, to me Prince went in a different direction artistically... As for kids and Prince, it doesn't matter when they were fans. You have examples from 1978, some footage from 1984, posts telling you babies react to Housequake and kids that can't get out of their mom's Prince collection. Kids can get into many kinds of music, especially if they are musically inclined. There's nothing incredible about a kid liking Prince. I think we all listen to the music that is played in our house and grow to appreciate some of it. Of course kids love Music, and love the rythm of the music... But I don't believe that a kid or a baby can enjoy his music the same way as adult people do... Common, do you really think that kids understand his lyrics, notice how good Prince plays guitar, or understand the subject of his song and all the meanings ??? This is what I said... [Edited 6/24/05 15:55pm] [Edited 6/24/05 15:55pm] |
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laurarichardson said: murph said: Ditto...Thankyou for your insight.....And really, we don't even have to keep bringing up Public Enemy from the past to prove the point....There's some hip-hop out there today that's going beyond the bullshit (Common, OutKast, MF Doom, the Roots, Kanye West, Jay Z (dude is a sick lyricist...it's hard to front on him talent wise), David Banner ect...) Like most genre's of music, hip-hop is suffering through a recycled period...but so was rock...and country is going through the same shit (Toby Keith WTF????).... ----- 99 problems and a bitch ait one of them. What a lyrical genius (WTF). You take Jay Z seriously. The guy can't put two words together. Damn man...you are really out of touch..."99 Problems" is one of Jay-Z's weakest songs...but in your haste to diss the man, like some misinformed novice, you jump on the song because it has the word "bitch" in the chorus...and the song is not even about that (Just check out one of the lyrics-"Half a mill for bail 'cause I'm African")...Damn, i thought you were going to bring up something like "Big Pimping" to shit on dude (That makes more sense for your argument)..That just supports my theory that you are not even listening to the lyrics...that you don't even take it seriously....And by the way, picking out a few songs to prove someone is not a true artist is a litle unfair...We can do the same with any artist...even our boy Prince... [Edited 6/24/05 14:47pm] | |
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laurarichardson said: murph said: Okay dog... Now you are turning the conversation to something entirely different...In my previous post, I acknowledge the fact that hip-hop has veered off from its artistic path in recent years. But in our original post we were talking about the '80s and Prince's snobbery towards an artform that threatened him. Hey, I'm responding to a cat that thinks It Takes A Nation Of Millions To Hold Us Back was not even on the level of Grafitti Bridge...I understand your contempt for hip hop...but if you couldn't see the revolutionary and groundbreaking spirit of this genre in the late 70's and throughout the '80s and even the early 90s, I'm sorry...Even today your God (Prince) has been able seperate the talentless MC's from the one's that are pushing the genre forward (Ex: his work with Common, his praise of Outkast ect...) And for the last time, Prince is human...Everyone has a little hypocrisy in them, and Prince is not immune...You think a record label could pressure him into doing rap???!!!! No, our boy simply saw the handwriting on the wall and tried to relate to the youth..Unfortunately, he got some wack ass MC's to work with...funny thing is, you probably wouldn't be able to distinguish Tony M. from Rakim...And I think that's the problem right now...There's one thing to not like a genre (I am not a huge fan of country), but i acknowledge it as a past artform... ----- Still going on about Tony M. 10 years later (WTF). Are any rappers selling 1.4 mill worth of tickets. Of course there is presure. Why do you think PR got made. Pressure to crossover. Pressure to sell records. You guys are so blind. [Edited 6/24/05 12:14pm] Okay...great point....respect....only, you are forgetting that P was dissing hip-hop in the beginning...My argument has nothing to do with Tony M...it has to do with Prince being a hypocrite (WTF). It has to do with the man's early ignorance of hip-hop which influenced him to pick up the hometown rapper with no skills...And by the way, the argument was from an earlier post about Tony M and Prince, which was brought up again...My post was addressed to to another person and not you...but it's all love...now can we get back to the real discussion? [Edited 6/24/05 14:48pm] | |
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krayzie said:[quote] Aerogram said: Sometimes someone is really that good. I don't think it's an exageration to say that Prince is in himself a celebration of american music, because first of all I'd say this about some other artists and I'd particularly say it about someone as versatile as Prince is. As much as I love Stevie Wonder, I think Prince went one step further. That doesn't mean I think Prince songs are superior, just that he went further musically-speaking, in terms of expressing himself in different styles convincingly. On the other hand, Stevie was a pioneer and a model for Prince as a multi-instrumentalist. Both are the very best. If that is corny, then alright!`{/quote] Ok, I repeat the reason why I said you go too far is because of your original statement : b]However, I would go further because Prince is actually more than a Stevie Wonder. Somehow, he managed to represent black music as a whole (Sly, JB, Hendrix, etc.) AND The Beatles, Joni Mitchell and Santana AND create a whole sound very much his own , not to mention putting his personal twist on the greats I have just mentionned. In fact, today Prince is in himself a celebration of all of american music with the notable exception of country [/b]
It's like saying "Prince is American Music in one and only person forget about the rest..." Ok he tries to play different kind of style (he's not the first), most of the times very well and sometimes not that well... But damn... Common, it's too much, it's too big, too corny... I know you love Prince and I love him too... But you go too far... Everytime I read your statement I'm like WTF ??? If you think Prince went further than Stevie or he is better than him, I respect your point on view, even if I disagree, to me Prince went in a different direction artistically... As for kids and Prince, it doesn't matter when they were fans. You have examples from 1978, some footage from 1984, posts telling you babies react to Housequake and kids that can't get out of their mom's Prince collection. Kids can get into many kinds of music, especially if they are musically inclined. There's nothing incredible about a kid liking Prince. I think we all listen to the music that is played in our house and grow to appreciate some of it. Of course kids love Music, and love the rythm of the music... But I don't believe that a kid or a baby can enjoy his music the same way as adult people do... Common, do you really think that kids understand his lyrics, notice how good Prince plays guitar, or understand the subject of his song and all the meanings ??? This is what I said... I already told you I don't think Prince's music is better than Stevie's, and added I would make the comment about musicians other than Prince. But what he did was go further than Stevie in terms of mastering different styles and having a genuine impact with most of those styles. Others before and since Prince have explored different styles, but few more successfully than him. Along the way, he had more help than some fans want to acknowledge, but yes he did make his mark in all of these styles. That is why he is particularly worthy of my "corny" comment. As for kids, of course they don't enjoy music the same way as adults. They don't walk, eat, read and write like adults either. The question was simply "can they get into Prince?", not if they got every nuance, lyrical or musical. [Edited 6/24/05 15:18pm] | |
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krayzie said: morningsong said: I don't know about that. My daughter as a baby would dance up a storm to 'Housequake'. My husband and I found it hilariously cute. We'd use to turn the song on and off, just to watch her stop and start. Now I can't keep her out of my Prince CDs. Mmhhh sorry but do you really believe that your baby enjoyed Prince music (the melody, Prince voice, the lyrics, the subject of the song...) or only the rythm of the Music and nothing much... Common, a baby can't have the abilities to understand what is good music or not, it's all about rythm... [Edited 6/24/05 9:54am] The lyrical content and subject, of course not, she was only a baby. But it was interesting that she didn't do it to any other song regardless of the beat. Trust me, my husband the musician/composer tested her on it. That was what was amusing about it, what was it about this song in particular that caused her to react. We'll never truly know. All I meant was if a baby can express a preference why can't an older child. They don't have to be philosphically involved to find something in it that moves them. That's the beauty of it. | |
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murph said: laurarichardson said: ----- Still going on about Tony M. 10 years later (WTF). Are any rappers selling 1.4 mill worth of tickets. Of course there is presure. Why do you think PR got made. Pressure to crossover. Pressure to sell records. You guys are so blind. [Edited 6/24/05 12:14pm] Okay...great point....respect....only, you are forgetting that P was dissing hip-hop in the beginning...My argument has nothing to do with Tony M...it has to do with Prince being a hypocrite (WTF). It has to do with the man's early ignorance of hip-hop which influenced him to pick up the hometown rapper with no skills...And by the way, the argument was from an earlier post about Tony M and Prince, which was brought up again...My post was addressed to to another person and not you...but it's all love...now can we get back to the real discussion? [Edited 6/24/05 14:48pm] ----- My argument has nothing to do with Tony M...it has to do with Prince being a hypocrite (WTF). You think P was a hypocrite. I think he was trying to survive in a music industry that went Rap crazy in the 90's. Everybody had to have a rapper on their songs in R n B music. I doubt if all of the artist were Hip-Hop fans. I think some had no say in it like Chaka Khan ( I Feel For You ) and some gave into due to pressure to sell records. In addition, people are allowed to change their minds. You don't cut P any slack about Tony M but, the public is sure out buying that awful Black Eyed Peas and I don't see anyone flipping out over that. | |
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murph said: laurarichardson said: ----- 99 problems and a bitch ait one of them. What a lyrical genius (WTF). You take Jay Z seriously. The guy can't put two words together. Damn man...you are really out of touch..."99 Problems" is one of Jay-Z's weakest songs...but in your haste to diss the man, like some misinformed novice, you jump on the song because it has the word "bitch" in the chorus...and the song is not even about that (Just check out one of the lyrics-"Half a mill for bail 'cause I'm African")...Damn, i thought you were going to bring up something like "Big Pimping" to shit on dude (That makes more sense for your argument)..That just supports my theory that you are not even listening to the lyrics...that you don't even take it seriously....And by the way, picking out a few songs to prove someone is not a true artist is a litle unfair...We can do the same with any artist...even our boy Prince... [Edited 6/24/05 14:47pm] ----- I know people who listen to Jay Z all the time. I have listened to his lyrics. Making a comment about ("Half a mill for bail "cause I'm African) does not change any of the other lyrics. You can't be positive one minute and a woman-hating ass the next. In addtion, I don't really feel bad that some crack-dealing scum bag has a half a mill for his or her bail. If you don't deal drugs in the first place you would not have to worry about it. "even take it seriously...." Your correct I don't take Jay Z seriously. I don't take rapping about and being involved in criminal acts seriously. It has nothing to do with music. And our boy Prince even in his worst moments is not promoting criminal acts or berating woman. If you really take the time to listen to his lyrics he really puts woman on a big pedestal. | |
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I know people who listen to Jay Z all the time. I have listened to his lyrics.
Making a comment about ("Half a mill for bail "cause I'm African) does not change any of the othchange any of the other lyrics. You can't be positive one minute and a woman-hating ass the next. In addtion, I don't really feel bad that some crack-dealing scum bag has a half a mill for his or her bail. If you don't deal drugs in the first place you would not have to worry about it. "even take it seriously...." Your correct I don't take Jay Z seriously. I don't take rapping about and being involved in criminal acts seriously. It has nothing to do with music. And our boy Prince even in his worst moments is not promoting criminal acts or berating woman. If you really take the time to listen to his lyrics he really puts woman on a big pedestal. [Edited 6/24/05 14:47pm] [/quote] ----- I respect what you are saying...But I think Jay-Z was trying to say (in that line) that the criminal justtice system is not blind when it comes to "African" Americans...And yeah, my biggest beef with Jay Z was his treatment of women in his songs...But I also realize that when the guy is on (such as his collaboration with dead prez), he's on...I think we can agree to disagree on this one...But I do challenge you to listen to the following '80s hip-hop albums and singles and check out why Prince was a little threatened by this artform... RUN DMC--RUN DMC RUN DMC--"Sucker MC's" (single) Eric B & Rakim--Paid In Full LL Cool J-Radio Public Enemy-It Takes A Nation... A Tribe Called Quest--People's Instinctive Travels... De La Soul--Three Feet High & Rising NWA--Straight Outta Compton Grandmaster Flash & The Furious 5--"The Message" (Single) Boogie Down Productions--Criminal Minded Boogie Down Productions--Ghetto Music--The Blueprint Beastie Boys--Paul's Boutique (a bit overrated, but still exceptional) The Jungle Brothers---Straight Out The Jungle [Edited 6/26/05 11:35am] | |
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murph said: I know people who listen to Jay Z all the time. I have listened to his lyrics.
Making a comment about ("Half a mill for bail "cause I'm African) does not change any of the othchange any of the other lyrics. You can't be positive one minute and a woman-hating ass the next. In addtion, I don't really feel bad that some crack-dealing scum bag has a half a mill for his or her bail. If you don't deal drugs in the first place you would not have to worry about it. "even take it seriously...." Your correct I don't take Jay Z seriously. I don't take rapping about and being involved in criminal acts seriously. It has nothing to do with music. And our boy Prince even in his worst moments is not promoting criminal acts or berating woman. If you really take the time to listen to his lyrics he really puts woman on a big pedestal. [Edited 6/24/05 14:47pm] ----- I respect what you are saying...But I think Jay-Z was trying to say (in that line) that the criminal justtice system is not blind when it comes to "African" Americans...And yeah, my biggest beef with Jay Z was his treatment of women in his songs...But I also realize that when the guy is on (such as his collaboration with dead prez), he's on...I think we can agree to disagree on this one...But I do challenge you to listen to the following '80s hip-hop albums and singles and check out why Prince was a little threatened by this artform... RUN DMC--RUN DMC RUN DMC--"Sucker MC's" (single) Eric B & Rakim--Paid In Full LL Cool J-Radio Public Enemy-It Takes A Nation... A Tribe Called Quest--People's Instinctive Travels... De La Soul--Three Feet High & Rising NWA--Straight Outta Compton Grandmaster Flash & The Furious 5--"The Message" (Single) Boogie Down Productions--Criminal Minded Boogie Down Productions--Ghetto Music--The Blueprint Beastie Boys--Paul's Boutique (a bit overrated, but still exceptional) The Jungle Brothers---Straight Out The Jungle [Edited 6/26/05 11:35am] [/quote] ----- I don't have to go and listen to these CD's. I have some of them. I did not have a issue with Hip-Hop back in the day. I don't like what it turned into around 1998 when NWA came on the set. If you notice that is around the time P started to knock it. You went into a situation were everything is about sampling, criminal acts and berating woman. We have not come out of that and I don't think we will. So let's stop pretending old school is going to come back. | |
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murph said: I know people who listen to Jay Z all the time. I have listened to his lyrics.
Making a comment about ("Half a mill for bail "cause I'm African) does not change any of the othchange any of the other lyrics. You can't be positive one minute and a woman-hating ass the next. In addtion, I don't really feel bad that some crack-dealing scum bag has a half a mill for his or her bail. If you don't deal drugs in the first place you would not have to worry about it. "even take it seriously...." Your correct I don't take Jay Z seriously. I don't take rapping about and being involved in criminal acts seriously. It has nothing to do with music. ----- You're oversimplifying the subject and we should all know that the justice system is far from perfect to say the least. But you're certainly not obligated to understand. I'm curious though, are you saying that you have to like everything a person says or does to enjoy a song by a particular artist? | |
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laurarichardson said: murph said: I know people who listen to Jay Z all the time. I have listened to his lyrics.
Making a comment about ("Half a mill for bail "cause I'm African) does not change any of the othchange any of the other lyrics. You can't be positive one minute and a woman-hating ass the next. In addtion, I don't really feel bad that some crack-dealing scum bag has a half a mill for his or her bail. If you don't deal drugs in the first place you would not have to worry about it. "even take it seriously...." Your correct I don't take Jay Z seriously. I don't take rapping about and being involved in criminal acts seriously. It has nothing to do with music. And our boy Prince even in his worst moments is not promoting criminal acts or berating woman. If you really take the time to listen to his lyrics he really puts woman on a big pedestal. [Edited 6/24/05 14:47pm] ----- I respect what you are saying...But I think Jay-Z was trying to say (in that line) that the criminal justtice system is not blind when it comes to "African" Americans...And yeah, my biggest beef with Jay Z was his treatment of women in his songs...But I also realize that when the guy is on (such as his collaboration with dead prez), he's on...I think we can agree to disagree on this one...But I do challenge you to listen to the following '80s hip-hop albums and singles and check out why Prince was a little threatened by this artform... RUN DMC--RUN DMC RUN DMC--"Sucker MC's" (single) Eric B & Rakim--Paid In Full LL Cool J-Radio Public Enemy-It Takes A Nation... A Tribe Called Quest--People's Instinctive Travels... De La Soul--Three Feet High & Rising NWA--Straight Outta Compton Grandmaster Flash & The Furious 5--"The Message" (Single) Boogie Down Productions--Criminal Minded Boogie Down Productions--Ghetto Music--The Blueprint Beastie Boys--Paul's Boutique (a bit overrated, but still exceptional) The Jungle Brothers---Straight Out The Jungle [Edited 6/26/05 11:35am] ----- I don't have to go and listen to these CD's. I have some of them. I did not have a issue with Hip-Hop back in the day. I don't like what it turned into around 1998 when NWA came on the set. If you notice that is around the time P started to knock it. You went into a situation were everything is about sampling, criminal acts and berating woman. We have not come out of that and I don't think we will. So let's stop pretending old school is going to come back.[/quote] Murph says: Damn...I guess you forgot about the talk we were having....Do you have selective memory or something? This whole thing came up with your comments on Public Enemy's Nation album being placed higher than Prince in the Spin list...You made the comment that hip-hop was never as important or on the same groundbreaking level in the '80s as Prince...That's what the discussion was about...Not what hip-hop has become in 2005...If you read my previous post, I acknowledged that today's hip-hop has gone off the path....The reason why hip-hop (IN THE '80S!!!!!) threatened him was because it connected with the struggling underclass as well as white youth...Artistically, Prince dominated the '80s and towers over his peers, but some of the hip-hop that was coming out was just as important as anything that Prince was releasing...That's what the original post was about... [Edited 6/28/05 10:00am] | |
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dealodelandron said: murph said: I know people who listen to Jay Z all the time. I have listened to his lyrics.
Making a comment about ("Half a mill for bail "cause I'm African) does not change any of the othchange any of the other lyrics. You can't be positive one minute and a woman-hating ass the next. In addtion, I don't really feel bad that some crack-dealing scum bag has a half a mill for his or her bail. If you don't deal drugs in the first place you would not have to worry about it. "even take it seriously...." Your correct I don't take Jay Z seriously. I don't take rapping about and being involved in criminal acts seriously. It has nothing to do with music. ----- You're oversimplifying the subject and we should all know that the justice system is far from perfect to say the least. But you're certainly not obligated to understand. I'm curious though, are you saying that you have to like everything a person says or does to enjoy a song by a particular artist? Murph---For the record, there must be something wrong with the site because I never said the quote above...Those are dealodelandron's words, not mine..... | |
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As for kids and Prince, it doesn't matter when they were fans. You have examples from 1978, some footage from 1984, posts telling you babies react to Housequake and kids that can't get out of their mom's Prince collection. Kids can get into many kinds of music, especially if they are musically inclined. There's nothing incredible about a kid liking Prince. I think we all listen to the music that is played in our house and grow to appreciate some of it. Of course kids love Music, and love the rythm of the music... But I don't believe that a kid or a baby can enjoy his music the same way as adult people do... Common, do you really think that kids understand his lyrics, notice how good Prince plays guitar, or understand the subject of his song and all the meanings ??? This is what I said... [Edited 6/24/05 15:55pm] [Edited 6/24/05 15:55pm] [/quote] i was totally going 2 keep my trap shut, but as a 5 year old, i understood how good a guitarist prince was when i heard bambi. granted, i didn't understand the lyrics, but the music did something 4 me. and please, don't say i didn't get music then, because at that point, i had been playing piano for 2 years. now i know i had trouble with my scales, but i understood music, and got prince right off the bat. u shouldn't say that a kid doesn't get music, espesially around some one who was humming before he could talk. peace immortally beloved, james aaron | |
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murph said: dealodelandron said: ----- You're oversimplifying the subject and we should all know that the justice system is far from perfect to say the least. But you're certainly not obligated to understand. I'm curious though, are you saying that you have to like everything a person says or does to enjoy a song by a particular artist? Murph---For the record, there must be something wrong with the site because I never said the quote above...Those are dealodelandron's words, not mine..... The only part I wrote was this..."You're oversimplifying the subject and we should all know that the justice system is far from perfect to say the least. But you're certainly not obligated to understand. I'm curious though, are you saying that you have to like everything a person says or does to enjoy a song by a particular artist?" | |
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krayzie said: Sorry,but I've never really believed people saying when "I was a kid I was a big fan of Prince..."
Prince and his music has always been strictly for the teenage/adult people... So I don't believe that a young kid could understand all the meanings of Prince music... And enjoying it.... I'm glad you started your statement off with that line. I enjoyed "IWBYL" the moment it came out. You don't have to truly understand the meaning of a song to enjoy it. How many songs are out there that you don't fully understand the meaning that the artist intended? Plenty, I'm pretty sure. 
...unless your idea of a "kid" is only for one who is under 5...  I am MrVictor.... | |
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xpsiter said: krayzie said: Sorry,but I've never really believed people saying when "I was a kid I was a big fan of Prince..."
Prince and his music has always been strictly for the teenage/adult people... So I don't believe that a young kid could understand all the meanings of Prince music... And enjoying it.... I'm glad you started your statement off with that line. I enjoyed "IWBYL" the moment it came out. You don't have to truly understand the meaning of a song to enjoy it. How many songs are out there that you don't fully understand the meaning that the artist intended? Plenty, I'm pretty sure.
...unless your idea of a "kid" is only for one who is under 5... Interesting... [Edited 6/28/05 13:58pm] | |
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