ludika said:

There is far more to black music beside 50 Cent & G-Unit!

There is far more to rap music beside gangsta rap!

And unless you're like OutKast or The Black Eye Peas changing your sound all in the name of crossing over, you're still struggling.

And please don't get me started about these white-owned communication companies that are buying out most Black FM Radio stations to only play the same bullshit that you hear on the radio at this moment.

Musical racism is alive and well. Quote me on this!

I might not agree with Vainandy's choice of words. But I can understand the arguement very well because The Real True Hip-Hop Culture is being push to the side just like The Funk Culture.

Think about it.
[Edited 5/28/05 15:58pm]

TonyVanDam said:

DUDE I thank you for your "comments". I just believe that the issue of how Rick James left Motown was moot (that is why I said fired/quit) - and mentioning his Flag cd had nothing to do with Wonderful being released. Motown refused to sign Rick James to a new contract. And my response was not directed at you - it was for legs because she just seemed to jump on the band wagon to criticize. It is amazing you went from "good essay other than that to get your time lines right". Listen this is the primary reason I hate posting any opinion or comment on Prince.org. Everytime I submit something someone like yourself will critique some obscure point as if it is the most revalant factor in the original discussion. Ex. If I had said Prince was 5'3and 1/4 " in height you would have said..."Well Prince is 5'4". But other than that everything you said was great." God all mighty - What cracks me up is I was a Prince fan WAAAAAYYYY before 95% of you people were born and I find myself having to address such minor concerns in an essay.

When Doves Cry 2000 has shared thoughts - in hopes that questions and concerns have been answered...

You can cut off all your hair...
I don't think they's care...
In New York..."
Prince - All the critics love you in New York -

If only that was true at Prince.org

Many of you are probably too young to know anything about this. But Rick had a feud and on going feud with Bootsy also. He feuded with George Clinton also, which was crazy since he attended many a P-Funk show back in the day. He even auditioned to be there bass player. Clinton choose Rodney "Skeet" Curtis instead of Rick. Rick is in the unreleased/upcoming P-Funk documentary film giving props to that he dogged once. Don't think Rick hated Prince as much as it was hot air.


Rick was the next big thing in Funk when the P-Funk Mothership came in for a crash landing. Then Prince was heating up and broke loose with some serious innovative funk (1999)ater his tour with Rick. Broke loose with the Time and Vanity 6 ala Parliament, Bootsy's Rubberband and the Brides.

Prince's funk was more innovative and ahead of his time where Rick sounded more like a P-Funk clone Prince , at that time, was more original and his concept was better, shock treatment. Rick was jealous!

preciosa863 said:

HOWEVER, Rick was jealous of Prince becuz of his cross-over success...

ELBOOGY said:

U r soooo right! I was funking 2 Prince's HEAD and SEXY DANCER at Omega Si Phi aka QDOG fraternity parties. As a matter of fact here in Cincinnati back then Black clubs played more Prince and Rick,Cameo,Zapp and others than they did MJ! In the white clubs we'd go2 and request a Prince song they would'nt even know who he was. I had 2 bring them my own 12'inch version of 'LET'S WORK' 4 the dj 2 play. And after they heard it i got a free VIP pass 2 the club!

Rick James is a piece of shit. His music is the epitomy of glam-trash. He is not missed!

TonyVanDam said:

OK so there is still a lot of black artists who don't get any airplay. Well there's also a lot of white artist getting the same amount of airplay as those black artist, you know. Whatever sells will be played. You can call that corrupt or whatever, but don't call it racism cos the only argument you've got is made on a relatively loose basis. Racism is still alive because some people just won't let go. It must be pretty easy blaiming racism for a failiure; people have always loved to blame whatever or whoever but themselves.

prodigalfan said:

Is it what ever sells gets played or whatever is played, sells?

murph said:

I mostly agree with your statement except this.... Ms. Legs do NOT drkin the Purle Koolaid. That label is for people who thinks Prince can do no wrong, is the only one who makes worthy music. It is a clever and catchy label, but please don't misuse it. :nono2:

That's right. Hotlegs is a bad lady and she's far from a purple Koolaid drinker.

That "Let's Work" 12 Inch was slammin'. I remember going skating on "Super Soul Skate Night" and the DJ used to mix the sirens from the 12 Inch of "You Dropped A Bomb On Me" by the Gap Band with "Let's Work".

murph said:

First of all, you need to get you fucking facts straight b/c I am not a dude and I'm a lady. Secondly, you can the Warner Brothers bullshit b/c everybody knows the damn story. Perhaps,in time, you will get you shit together, I haven't given up hope on ya b/c afterall like you say it's all love.

Legs

It's very obvious that Prince had rock tracks since day one such as "I'm Yours", "Bambi", Jack U Off", etc. But Prince had just as many funk tracks, if not more since the very beginning....."Soft and Wet", "I Wanna Be Your Lover" (disco/funk), "Sexy Dancer", "Head", "Partyup", "Controversy", "Let's Work".....all these are pure funk. R&B radio was pumping these Prince tracks, as well as some of the rock type tracks, big time in those days. With the exception of "I Wanna Be Your Lover", pop radio had never heard of Prince. Prince had always come hard plenty of funk from day one.

As far as the rock/new wave in the music, in the early 1980s, many of the funk groups were bringing it into their music. Rick James had "Super Freak", The Barkays had "Freaky Behaviour", Cameo had "Alligator Woman". By the time 1982 had arrived, it was so common that a group called Warp 9 even made a song about it called "Nunk (New Wave Funk)". That word definately describes funk music the best during that era. Prince definately had a style of his own that set him apart from the rest, but he wasn't the only funk artist bringing these elements in his music.

As far as Prince being labeled a rocker by the press, I could be wrong because it's been over 20 years, but I don't remember it in the old "Right On" and "Rock and Soul" days. These two magazines were THE source of info on Prince, as well as other R&B artists back in the day. They used to talk about Prince being an amazing artist that could play all his instruments, had a racially mixed band, and also brought elements of rock into his music. I don't remember these magazines referring to Prince as a rocker....yet. The first time I ever saw him labeled as a rocker was when magazines like "Rolling Stone" started getting hip to Prince. Then I started seeing Prince labeled as a rocker in all the magazines, including "Right On" and "Rock and Soul".

murph said:

If you are going to quote me, then QUOTE me correctly..I said Rick James should be pissed at MTV and not Prince. HOWEVER, Rick was jealous of Prince becuz of his cross-over success...ARE YOU WITH ME?

prodigalfan said:

Thank You Prodigalfan For Having A Sista's Back & Letting This Fool Know What Time It Is.

Hotlegs said:

Please excuse me lady...the fact that I called you dude should not diminish anything that I've said in my text....If you are saying that I don't have my shit together because I didn't know you were a woman, I'm sorry dude (LOL)...But hey...it is all love....And I'm still right (LOL)....

Hotlegs said:

let's hook up one day...
[Edited 5/29/05 14:37pm]

murph said:

But I can respect everything that you have said because you sound like a level-headed person unlike other fanatical nuts....You make some valid points, but I wasn't trying to go into the early days of Prince...But it's cool....great chat.....

murph said:

Murph, I serious need to and some good sense into you. You young men today lack home training and respect for ladies.
[Edited 5/29/05 15:46pm]

prodigalfan said:

Thank You Prodigalfan For Having A Sista's Back & Letting This Fool Know What Time It Is.

Thank you. You've made some good points also and you did set some of the "fams" straight about Rick James in the earlier part of this thread. You know I've got my girl Hotleg's back though. If you love funk, you need to check her out over in the Music: Non-Prince section. The lady knows and loves her funk. You'll come to love her and will soon be having her back just like me and prodigalfan.
[Edited 5/29/05 17:08pm]

vainandy said:

Hell Yeah. Back in the day, the skating rinks used to throw down to those cuts . Shit, those we're the good old days. After thinking about, we need to bring back the skating jams thread.

Hotlegs said:

Oh, I couldn't let that crack slide, especially since I feel like that was really my crack label to begin with. Maybe not, but I called many a "fam" a Purple Koolaid drinker on HQ last year, and Murph I think just doesn't get it.
You Legs, are a voice of reason to be reckoned with.

Hotlegs said:

Well because his handlers and his label and Prince himself was touting our boy as an rock and roll artist...Remember I'm saying all this to say this is one of the reasons he was accepted on MTV and hardcore FUNK artists were not). We all know Maggot Brain (Parliment) and Hendrix (towards the end of his career with "Machine Gun") meshed funk and rock...But come on???? Litle Red Corvette was a Rock track, 1999 was a rock/pop with a hint of funk, but more rock than anything else, and Delirious was rockabilly....It was the sound that Prince would eventually push on Purple Rain..In music reviews critics referred to Prince as a rocker...He didn't heavy into the funk until the Parade Hit & Run tour.

murph said:

Murph, I serious need to and some good sense into you. You young men today lack home training and respect for ladies.
[Edited 5/29/05 15:46pm]

Thank you. You've made some good points also and you did set some of the "fams" straight about Rick James in the earlier part of this thread. You know I've got my girl Hotleg's back though. If you love funk, you need to check her out over in the Music: Non-Prince section. The lady knows and loves her funk. You'll come to love her and will soon be having her back just like me and prodigalfan.
[Edited 5/29/05 17:08pm]

prodigalfan said:

Girl, I have to thank you again for checking Murph. This cat still got lot to learn so I guess us sista's everyso often have to crack the on him and hopefully he'll get hip to what Funk is really about.
[Edited 5/29/05 20:17pm]

murph said:

I felt Prince was heavy on the funk pre-Parade era, he just did it different from the other horn driven funk that was made at that time. The keyboards were his horns at that time, him putting the guitar out front was a smart move IMO.