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Reply #30 posted 05/23/05 8:07am

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tiger2 said:

to whomever said that jews weren't given their names, they chose their own:

you (and prince) are wrong, i'm afraid. a lot of jews coming to america were given new names by the port authorities. and a lot of jewish surnames in the New World are actually insults, despite the fact that they sound appealing. 'goldwater', for example, was meant to imply 'urine', and let me tell you - no one would choose that as a surname for him- or herself!

i find prince's harking on about jewish surnames in 'family name' to be dangerous and ill-informed. it feeds into the distorted idea sometimes espoused by certain religious groups that there is a 'jewish conspiracy' running the world with pockets lined with gold... oh, it's tiresome and screwed-up stuff, i just can't believe prince bought into it for TRC. but despite the quote which ends the song (talking about a brotherhood of man and including the jews), i believe this is exactly what he's done. he's never been more ignorant or boringly wrong than on that song, imo. seems to me that prince was working overtime to absorb an entire body of religious thought and scripture at this particular moment in his career, and as he didn't have the time to reflect on or think about all this stuff, he just threw it in wholesale. never has prince sounded so much NOT his own man. give me 'lovesexy' anyday for a truly personal, inclusive and uplifting spirituality born of imagination and conviction. forget TRC, it's a mess.


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Reply #31 posted 05/25/05 1:59am

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tiger2 said:

to whomever said that jews weren't given their names, they chose their own:

you (and prince) are wrong, i'm afraid. a lot of jews coming to america were given new names by the port authorities. and a lot of jewish surnames in the New World are actually insults, despite the fact that they sound appealing. 'goldwater', for example, was meant to imply 'urine', and let me tell you - no one would choose that as a surname for him- or herself!

i find prince's harking on about jewish surnames in 'family name' to be dangerous and ill-informed. it feeds into the distorted idea sometimes espoused by certain religious groups that there is a 'jewish conspiracy' running the world with pockets lined with gold... oh, it's tiresome and screwed-up stuff, i just can't believe prince bought into it for TRC. but despite the quote which ends the song (talking about a brotherhood of man and including the jews), i believe this is exactly what he's done. he's never been more ignorant or boringly wrong than on that song, imo. seems to me that prince was working overtime to absorb an entire body of religious thought and scripture at this particular moment in his career, and as he didn't have the time to reflect on or think about all this stuff, he just threw it in wholesale. never has prince sounded so much NOT his own man. give me 'lovesexy' anyday for a truly personal, inclusive and uplifting spirituality born of imagination and conviction. forget TRC, it's a mess.


You hit the nail right on the head. One of the biggest problems with the religious content of TRC is that so much of it just seems like something Prince read off the back of his Religious MasHuP cereal box and regurgitated over some music. It doesn't really strike me as something P. put a lot of thought or reflection into.

It's a bit JW, a bit New Age, a bit Buddhist, a bit mainline Christian, and not at all "Prince"

afterthought edit: and by "Prince" I don't mean commercial Prince, or some Prince-who-once-was, I mean "Prince" as in; his own person, his own mind, his own thoughts and ideas.
[Edited 5/25/05 2:01am]
[Edited 5/25/05 2:02am]
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Reply #32 posted 05/25/05 2:21am

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tiger2 said:

to whomever said that jews weren't given their names, they chose their own:

you (and prince) are wrong, i'm afraid. a lot of jews coming to america were given new names by the port authorities. and a lot of jewish surnames in the New World are actually insults, despite the fact that they sound appealing. 'goldwater', for example, was meant to imply 'urine', and let me tell you - no one would choose that as a surname for him- or herself!



Just curious, where did you get that info? I'd like to read up on the subject.
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Reply #33 posted 05/26/05 2:20pm

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neontelephone said:

4 me is the darth vader voice through out the cd


That is a really new comment... biggrin biggrin biggrin
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