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Thread started 05/01/05 7:39am

thesexofit

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Prince "papa"

Is prince a victim of child abuse? The self pitying tone of the song suggests yes he is!

This has to be one of the most serious Prince tracks I have ever heard. For once a Prince track that has imagery not unlike a great novel. Yes the lyircs are easy to follow and are not masterpieces of English literature, but the visuals in my head remind myself that Iam reading a book. This sort of thing is not the norm for a Prince song. A song which has a very serious subject.

I have no idea if there is some autobiographical truth in the song, but it is definately one of the most surprising tracks out of his whole catalogue.

The day in his life when he recorded this, he must of been pretty down in the dumps. The stark line "Dont abuse children, or else they turn out like me", sounds self pitying at it's most extreme. Is Prince just trying to write a disturbing, dark song or is their some truth to the lyrics.

Definately one to ponder over!
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Reply #1 posted 05/01/05 7:44am

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It's well documented in interviews that Prince was abused by his father as a child.
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Reply #2 posted 05/01/05 7:46am

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squirrelgrease said:

It's well documented in interviews that Prince was abused by his father as a child.


nod I heard that too. I love the song "Papa", because the music is so moody sounding. But the lyrics are disturbing indeed.
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Reply #3 posted 05/01/05 7:48am

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squirrelgrease said:

It's well documented in interviews that Prince was abused by his father as a child.


Really? Physically i guess? (I so hope not sexually)
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Reply #4 posted 05/01/05 7:54am

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thesexofit said:

squirrelgrease said:

It's well documented in interviews that Prince was abused by his father as a child.


Really? Physically i guess? (I so hope not sexually)


Verbally and physically.
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Reply #5 posted 05/01/05 7:59am

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squirrelgrease said:

thesexofit said:



Really? Physically i guess? (I so hope not sexually)


Verbally and physically.


omg sad Poor Prince, it's no wonder he turned to religion, it probably helped him cope with the abuse.
RIP, mom. I will forever miss and love you.
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Reply #6 posted 05/01/05 8:08am

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thesexofit said:

Is prince a victim of child abuse? The self pitying tone of the song suggests yes he is!

This has to be one of the most serious Prince tracks I have ever heard. For once a Prince track that has imagery not unlike a great novel. Yes the lyircs are easy to follow and are not masterpieces of English literature, but the visuals in my head remind myself that Iam reading a book. This sort of thing is not the norm for a Prince song. A song which has a very serious subject.

I have no idea if there is some autobiographical truth in the song, but it is definately one of the most surprising tracks out of his whole catalogue.

The day in his life when he recorded this, he must of been pretty down in the dumps. The stark line "Dont abuse children, or else they turn out like me", sounds self pitying at it's most extreme. Is Prince just trying to write a disturbing, dark song or is their some truth to the lyrics.

Definately one to ponder over!




Wrong choice of words but I knew what you're saying son smile


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Reply #7 posted 05/01/05 8:17am

thesexofit

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senik said:

thesexofit said:

Is prince a victim of child abuse? The self pitying tone of the song suggests yes he is!

This has to be one of the most serious Prince tracks I have ever heard. For once a Prince track that has imagery not unlike a great novel. Yes the lyircs are easy to follow and are not masterpieces of English literature, but the visuals in my head remind myself that Iam reading a book. This sort of thing is not the norm for a Prince song. A song which has a very serious subject.

I have no idea if there is some autobiographical truth in the song, but it is definately one of the most surprising tracks out of his whole catalogue.

The day in his life when he recorded this, he must of been pretty down in the dumps. The stark line "Dont abuse children, or else they turn out like me", sounds self pitying at it's most extreme. Is Prince just trying to write a disturbing, dark song or is their some truth to the lyrics.

Definately one to ponder over!




Wrong choice of words but I knew what you're saying son smile




Yeah. Essays, even short ones, are not what Iam good at. sad
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Reply #8 posted 05/01/05 8:30am

senik

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thesexofit said:

senik said:





Wrong choice of words but I knew what you're saying son smile




Yeah. Essays, even short ones, are not what Iam good at. sad



Not saying it in a condescending manner, theseofit comfort

I love you man sad


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Reply #9 posted 05/01/05 8:32am

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senik said:

thesexofit said:




Yeah. Essays, even short ones, are not what Iam good at. sad



Not saying it in a condescending manner, theseofit comfort

I love you man sad




Thats cool. I got a C in englsih GCSE, so it could of been worse.
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Reply #10 posted 05/01/05 12:52pm

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squirrelgrease, maybe i am mistaking and youre right, but i thought it was his stepfather did abuse him, and not his father (who left the house when Prince was 4 or 7, i dont remember his specic age)

Strange, if it was his biologicial father who abused him, then how to explain their compositional collabarations between them on Around the World in a day, Parade and the Batman soundtrack? Did he sort out the problems with his father at that stage?
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Reply #11 posted 05/01/05 1:02pm

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Riverpoet31 said:

squirrelgrease, maybe i am mistaking and youre right, but i thought it was his stepfather did abuse him, and not his father (who left the house when Prince was 4 or 7, i dont remember his specic age)

Strange, if it was his biologicial father who abused him, then how to explain their compositional collabarations between them on Around the World in a day, Parade and the Batman soundtrack? Did he sort out the problems with his father at that stage?


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Reply #12 posted 05/02/05 4:25am

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Riverpoet31 said:

squirrelgrease, maybe i am mistaking and youre right, but i thought it was his stepfather did abuse him, and not his father (who left the house when Prince was 4 or 7, i dont remember his specic age)

Strange, if it was his biologicial father who abused him, then how to explain their compositional collabarations between them on Around the World in a day, Parade and the Batman soundtrack? Did he sort out the problems with his father at that stage?

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P has only said that his real dad was abusive and that he did not get along with his stepdad.

Wendy and Lisa said that P's dad did not really contribute anything to ATWIAD and that P just put his name on the songs to give him some income.

From what P said his Dad started coming around again after PR and that they patched things up but, a few years later their relationship went bad.
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Reply #13 posted 05/02/05 4:28am

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Yes, he is.

He's often touched on auto-biographical momments in his life.

The most interesting one is in the song "7".
In that song he's battling the demons of 7 adversaries who each own armies, and he tells a tale of how he gets their women and watches them fall--his life is very interesting.



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Reply #14 posted 05/02/05 5:14am

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squirrelgrease said:

It's well documented in interviews that Prince was abused by his father as a child.


not 2 sound like an ass or anything, or say that it might not be true, but ALOT of things have been well documented in interviews. such as his race and that he used to read his ma's dirty books and see her vibrators and shit (which i then read that after she got mad, he said it wasn't true), so this might just be prince do some seriously creative writing.
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Reply #15 posted 05/02/05 6:11am

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Moonwalkbjrain said:

squirrelgrease said:

It's well documented in interviews that Prince was abused by his father as a child.


not 2 sound like an ass or anything, or say that it might not be true, but ALOT of things have been well documented in interviews. such as his race and that he used to read his ma's dirty books and see her vibrators and shit (which i then read that after she got mad, he said it wasn't true), so this might just be prince do some seriously creative writing.

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Look at the PR DVD. The director based the whold family fight scence on things P told him and it appears that Prince told a lot of people that he his Dad was abusive.
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Reply #16 posted 05/02/05 12:33pm

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But was Prince sexually abused? hmmm
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Reply #17 posted 05/02/05 12:37pm

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AsianBomb777 said:

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Yes, he is.

He's often touched on auto-biographical momments in his life.

The most interesting one is in the song "7".
In that song he's battling the demons of 7 adversaries who each own armies, and he tells a tale of how he gets their women and watches them fall--his life is very interesting.



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No..seven was the number of soldiers sent to kill him and get the Princess back.

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Reply #18 posted 05/02/05 12:57pm

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klhk said:

But was Prince sexually abused? hmmm

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I never read or heard anyone say anything about sexual abuse but, showing your kid porn and taking your kid to strip joints is sexual abuse.

Prince said those experiences ruined him for life.
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Reply #19 posted 05/02/05 1:06pm

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Reply #20 posted 05/02/05 1:36pm

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I don't remember reading anything that Prince was abused as a kid. I remember reading that Prince's dad was basically a strict guy. Supposedly when Prince lived with him he got caught with a girl in the house and his father threw him out. Prince called him from a pay phone begging 2 come back and his father wouldn't budge. He then called his sister or somebody who then spoke 2 his father 4 him and Prince's dad said 2 that person that all Prince had 2 do was call him and he'll let him back in. So prince called back and his father still said no. So if u want 2 put that in the category of abuse, then yeah Prince was abused but I doubt that he was slapped around.
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