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Thread started 04/30/05 6:55am

fox69

prince guitar skills so underrated

i was blown away watching prince play guitar on the live in alladin dvd.His performance on Whole Lotta Love,Push +PullandThe Ride were out of this world.Idont think there is an other artist out there with the guitar tallent prince has.Being a fan of 22 years now ,i might B a little biast,but 2 me hes the man.Listen 2 his acoustic on crystal ball,thats good 2.There R many none Prince fans out there missing out on his tallents,if they listened 2 half the music hes made in his career,may B hed get more younger followres.2 me prince is so underrated biggrin
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Reply #1 posted 04/30/05 6:58am

sitruk7

Very true, unfortunately I think his controversial image over the years overshadowed his talent when dealing with critics.
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Reply #2 posted 04/30/05 7:07am

fox69

the none prince fans still go on about purple rain.fuck me that was 22 years ago,if only theyd open there ears.Hes made loads of cds since then,no 1 knows about.
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Reply #3 posted 04/30/05 7:12am

4nowneway

when you watch P play guitar it just looks so natural to him, while other guitar players you can tell there tryin to make sure there fingers are just right, there is also Ps style of playing guitar, maybe its because hes so small that he looks so cool playing guitar
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Reply #4 posted 04/30/05 7:19am

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4nowneway said:

when you watch P play guitar it just looks so natural to him, while other guitar players you can tell there tryin to make sure there fingers are just right, there is also Ps style of playing guitar, maybe its because hes so small that he looks so cool playing guitar


Yeah you're right. He makes it look so easy, but if you ever tried to play the instrument, you can't help but to be astounded by his skills. Part of what made me such a huge fan from the beginning; was trying to decipher and transpose his music. I would sit down and listen to a track, and try to write his music out so that I'd have his sheet music. It proved to be an extremely challenging task, because of the complicated and ingenius chord progressions, combinations and extensive rythmic patterns. After that I was a fan for life.
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Reply #5 posted 04/30/05 9:04am

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TheBluePrince said:

4nowneway said:

when you watch P play guitar it just looks so natural to him, while other guitar players you can tell there tryin to make sure there fingers are just right, there is also Ps style of playing guitar, maybe its because hes so small that he looks so cool playing guitar


Yeah you're right. He makes it look so easy, but if you ever tried to play the instrument, you can't help but to be astounded by his skills. Part of what made me such a huge fan from the beginning; was trying to decipher and transpose his music. I would sit down and listen to a track, and try to write his music out so that I'd have his sheet music. It proved to be an extremely challenging task, because of the complicated and ingenius chord progressions, combinations and extensive rythmic patterns. After that I was a fan for life.


These two comments are such typical comments by Prince fans who know nothing about 'chord progressions' and 'combinations' and 'trying to make those fingers just right.'

He's an amazing guitar player but you two shouldn't be trying to convince people of that...

WOW!! Truth be told, when you go over to Lenny Kravtiz' or D'angelo's message boards, or any artist for that matter, there are people there as well who make huge bold statements but back them up with nothing.
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Reply #6 posted 04/30/05 9:37am

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He doesn't just play the guitar, he makes love to it. Sometimes with a sensual caress, sometimes with rock hard passion, but the end result is always...orgasm. He's the best.
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Reply #7 posted 04/30/05 10:34am

RealMusician

It seems to me that Prince is constantly underrated or overrated as a guitarist.

People either don't know that he can play - or they think he's the best in the world! Seems there's no in-between...
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Reply #8 posted 04/30/05 4:27pm

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fox69 said:

i was blown away watching prince play guitar on the live in alladin dvd.His performance on Whole Lotta Love,Push +PullandThe Ride were out of this world.Idont think there is an other artist out there with the guitar tallent prince has.Being a fan of 22 years now ,i might B a little biast,but 2 me hes the man.Listen 2 his acoustic on crystal ball,thats good 2.There R many none Prince fans out there missing out on his tallents,if they listened 2 half the music hes made in his career,may B hed get more younger followres.2 me prince is so underrated biggrin


Prince is an Outstanding guitarist...
Every time I see him, he impress me more and more...
I love it...

But I think sometimes some Prince fans overate him as guitar player...
The reason is nowdays you don't see that much great singer/guitarist players in the mainstream...


On earth there are tons of guitar player that can play as good as Prince even better, BUT they don't sing, or don't have singer ability like Prince...
They are (most of them) ONLY instrumentist playing in some bands, or working for some others artist...
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Reply #9 posted 04/30/05 7:23pm

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jayARDAHB said:

TheBluePrince said:



Yeah you're right. He makes it look so easy, but if you ever tried to play the instrument, you can't help but to be astounded by his skills. Part of what made me such a huge fan from the beginning; was trying to decipher and transpose his music. I would sit down and listen to a track, and try to write his music out so that I'd have his sheet music. It proved to be an extremely challenging task, because of the complicated and ingenius chord progressions, combinations and extensive rythmic patterns. After that I was a fan for life.


These two comments are such typical comments by Prince fans who know nothing about 'chord progressions' and 'combinations' and 'trying to make those fingers just right.'

He's an amazing guitar player but you two shouldn't be trying to convince people of that...

WOW!! Truth be told, when you go over to Lenny Kravtiz' or D'angelo's message boards, or any artist for that matter, there are people there as well who make huge bold statements but back them up with nothing.


Nobody's trying to convince anybody anything. Plus, you can't tell me what I don't know. Who the hell are you? I don't care if you think Prince sux at guitar, and Tiny Tim is a string genius. I stated my opinion of his guitar playing, and how I enjoyed being a fan. So get off it.
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Reply #10 posted 04/30/05 11:02pm

4nowneway

jayARDAHB said:

TheBluePrince said:



Yeah you're right. He makes it look so easy, but if you ever tried to play the instrument, you can't help but to be astounded by his skills. Part of what made me such a huge fan from the beginning; was trying to decipher and transpose his music. I would sit down and listen to a track, and try to write his music out so that I'd have his sheet music. It proved to be an extremely challenging task, because of the complicated and ingenius chord progressions, combinations and extensive rythmic patterns. After that I was a fan for life.


These two comments are such typical comments by Prince fans who know nothing about 'chord progressions' and 'combinations' and 'trying to make those fingers just right.'

He's an amazing guitar player but you two shouldn't be trying to convince people of that...yeah we are Prince fans we are not all musicians, there are a lot of other great guitar players who do know " chord progressions" and all that, I am a Lenny Kravitz fan, thats who I was comparing him to, Lennys guitar playing does not comprare to P, Craig Ross is much better than Lenny but still dont compare to P, yeah we are " typical" P fans, what are you a ' typical" musician?

WOW!! Truth be told, when you go over to Lenny Kravtiz' or D'angelo's message boards, or any artist for that matter, there are people there as well who make huge bold statements but back them up with nothing.
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Reply #11 posted 04/30/05 11:07pm

4nowneway

4nowneway said:

jayARDAHB said:



These two comments are such typical comments by Prince fans who know nothing about 'chord progressions' and 'combinations' and 'trying to make those fingers just right.'

He's an amazing guitar player but you two shouldn't be trying to convince people of that...yeah we are Prince fans we are not all musicians, there are a lot of other great guitar players who do know " chord progressions" and all that, I am a Lenny Kravitz fan, thats who I was comparing him to, Lennys guitar playing does not comprare to P, Craig Ross is much better than Lenny but still dont compare to P, yeah we are " typical" P fans, what are you a ' typical" musician?

WOW!! Truth be told, when you go over to Lenny Kravtiz' or D'angelo's message boards, or any artist for that matter, there are people there as well who make huge bold statements but back them up with nothing.
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Reply #12 posted 04/30/05 11:20pm

4nowneway

4nowneway said:

4nowneway said:


were not all musicianns, we are P fans, what are you?, there are other great guitar players, I am a Lenny fan, but his guitar playing dont compare to Ps, Craig Ross is much better, but still dont compare to P, even though were not musicians we can see who is better at "chord progressions"
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Reply #13 posted 05/01/05 1:42am

Rockability

Prince isn't underrated anymore.

This is due to his performance at the RRHOF.

He tore up "While my guitar gently weeps."

Some say it was in bad taste to steal the show, but I think it was planned out. He wasn't even mic'd vocally, so I wouldn't say Prince stole anything, he just tore it up.
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Reply #14 posted 05/01/05 1:53am

Rockability

TheBluePrince said:

4nowneway said:

when you watch P play guitar it just looks so natural to him, while other guitar players you can tell there tryin to make sure there fingers are just right, there is also Ps style of playing guitar, maybe its because hes so small that he looks so cool playing guitar


Yeah you're right. He makes it look so easy, but if you ever tried to play the instrument, you can't help but to be astounded by his skills. Part of what made me such a huge fan from the beginning; was trying to decipher and transpose his music. I would sit down and listen to a track, and try to write his music out so that I'd have his sheet music. It proved to be an extremely challenging task, because of the complicated and ingenius chord progressions, combinations and extensive rythmic patterns. After that I was a fan for life.


I think he didn't mean "transpose" but transcribe.

The chord progressions aren't ingenious, but they are well thought out, such as a composer would compose. Props there. The rhythmic patterns are ingenious though.
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Reply #15 posted 05/01/05 1:59am

4nowneway

rewind the tape, the Rock n Roll Hall of Fame performance was rehearsed look at George Harrisons sons face, he knew P was about to tear it up.
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Reply #16 posted 05/01/05 2:05am

Rockability

4nowneway said:

rewind the tape, the Rock n Roll Hall of Fame performance was rehearsed look at George Harrisons sons face, he knew P was about to tear it up.


Agreed. In fact, I think his son gave him the nod to break out the lead.
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Reply #17 posted 05/01/05 3:28pm

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Rockability said:

TheBluePrince said:



Yeah you're right. He makes it look so easy, but if you ever tried to play the instrument, you can't help but to be astounded by his skills. Part of what made me such a huge fan from the beginning; was trying to decipher and transpose his music. I would sit down and listen to a track, and try to write his music out so that I'd have his sheet music. It proved to be an extremely challenging task, because of the complicated and ingenius chord progressions, combinations and extensive rythmic patterns. After that I was a fan for life.


I think he didn't mean "transpose" but transcribe.

The chord progressions aren't ingenious, but they are well thought out, such as a composer would compose. Props there. The rhythmic patterns are ingenious though.


Yeah thanks, I meant transcribe.
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Reply #18 posted 05/01/05 5:29pm

paul0478

He is the best guitar player I've ever seen.
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Reply #19 posted 06/12/05 2:22pm

jayARDAHB

paul0478 said:

He is the best guitar player I've ever seen.


You should go out more... ha ha ha
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Reply #20 posted 06/12/05 5:38pm

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Prince is a phenomenal guitar player. Carlos Santana one stated that Prince was the most underrated guitarist he has ever played with. Eric Clapton has nothing but love for Prince as a guitarist as well as a musician and Paul McCartney is also big fan of Prince's guitar playing. I just think that the masses really don't take Prince the musician seriously because of the way he's perceived with the make-up, heels, androgynous image etc. Furthermore, most people don't take the time to appreciate his work on various albums and even fewer have had a chance to be blown away by Prince in the live setting. Prince is not the greatest guitarist in history, but he is right there with them. Like all great instrumentalists, Prince has the ability to give an instrument a voice and lyricism. He can emit more emotion in three notes than a person who plays the scale 5 times with the fastest fingering. Furthermore, Prince is one hell of a rhythm guitarist. He can do it all and sadly most people miss out because they only pay attention to the extraneous factors. But thats not surprising, the masses typically miss out on everything. confused
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Reply #21 posted 06/12/05 10:50pm

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I think that Prince does not get his props on guitar that are due to him partly because of the era that he burst on the seem. In the early eighties music was still very segregated and controlled by people that wanted to keep it that way. The R&B crowd only wanted to hear bass and synths and took very little notice of his guitar skills and the Rock crowd was just the opposite. If Prince came out now days I think he would be well recieved and apprecitated for his guitar work with race being a factor. I really don't think Lenny Kravitz would have gotten a deal back in those days. It is funny how things change. MTV is a trade mark of diversity now a place where you can rock or rap whether black or white but Lenny or Princes more rock orineted stuff gets no play on BET. I'm not down on BET I just think that They could contribute more musical diversity. I grew up with Rick James, Kiss, and eventully Prince in my LP collection no thanks to MTV or BET at the time for the diversity.

When I heard I'm yours I knew Prince would forever be my favorite rock star but I admit I knew at first listen that black stations would not play it because it had a hard guitar in it and white stations, at the time would touch it because he was black.

Prince is my favorite guitar and bass player because of the emotion in his playing.

Well thats two cents,
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Reply #22 posted 06/22/05 12:08am

Oliver

fox69 said:

i was blown away watching prince play guitar on the live in alladin dvd.His performance on Whole Lotta Love,Push +PullandThe Ride were out of this world.Idont think there is an other artist out there with the guitar tallent prince has.Being a fan of 22 years now ,i might B a little biast,but 2 me hes the man.Listen 2 his acoustic on crystal ball,thats good 2.There R many none Prince fans out there missing out on his tallents,if they listened 2 half the music hes made in his career,may B hed get more younger followres.2 me prince is so underrated biggrin


I think Prince singing 'Whole Lotta Love' is hilarious. His falsetto works for everything, but on this one, he sounds like some1 is pulling his g string up his ass.

As for guitar skills, Joy in Repetition on 1NiteAlone and the guitar display in The Cross from the Lovesexy Tour will shut up any fool sho' nuff!
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Reply #23 posted 06/22/05 8:23am

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Just look at his Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, performance. His solo stole the show. lol
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Reply #24 posted 06/22/05 8:51am

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DorothyParkerWasCool said:

Prince is a phenomenal guitar player. Carlos Santana one stated that Prince was the most underrated guitarist he has ever played with. Eric Clapton has nothing but love for Prince as a guitarist as well as a musician and Paul McCartney is also big fan of Prince's guitar playing. I just think that the masses really don't take Prince the musician seriously because of the way he's perceived with the make-up, heels, androgynous image etc. Furthermore, most people don't take the time to appreciate his work on various albums and even fewer have had a chance to be blown away by Prince in the live setting. Prince is not the greatest guitarist in history, but he is right there with them. Like all great instrumentalists, Prince has the ability to give an instrument a voice and lyricism. He can emit more emotion in three notes than a person who plays the scale 5 times with the fastest fingering. Furthermore, Prince is one hell of a rhythm guitarist. He can do it all and sadly most people miss out because they only pay attention to the extraneous factors. But thats not surprising, the masses typically miss out on everything. confused
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Very well said. I agree witcha. Seriously though, it's no surprise. Folks have to understand, P is 47 years old and he's been in the game on a pro level since 1978. And he's been playing guitar longer than that. To many, especially those who was around and very much aware of Prince in his early days, EVERYBODY knew that P could throw down on guitar, even then.
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Reply #25 posted 06/22/05 9:41am

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Rockability said:

4nowneway said:

rewind the tape, the Rock n Roll Hall of Fame performance was rehearsed look at George Harrisons sons face, he knew P was about to tear it up.


Agreed. In fact, I think his son gave him the nod to break out the lead.



Tom Petty and Jeff Lynn and Steve Winwood also know that they have to give way to Prince when it comes to ruling the stage - Prince is still the greatest showman on the planet.
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Reply #26 posted 06/22/05 9:56am

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blackguitaristz said:

DorothyParkerWasCool said:

Prince is a phenomenal guitar player. Carlos Santana one stated that Prince was the most underrated guitarist he has ever played with. Eric Clapton has nothing but love for Prince as a guitarist as well as a musician and Paul McCartney is also big fan of Prince's guitar playing. I just think that the masses really don't take Prince the musician seriously because of the way he's perceived with the make-up, heels, androgynous image etc. Furthermore, most people don't take the time to appreciate his work on various albums and even fewer have had a chance to be blown away by Prince in the live setting. Prince is not the greatest guitarist in history, but he is right there with them. Like all great instrumentalists, Prince has the ability to give an instrument a voice and lyricism. He can emit more emotion in three notes than a person who plays the scale 5 times with the fastest fingering. Furthermore, Prince is one hell of a rhythm guitarist. He can do it all and sadly most people miss out because they only pay attention to the extraneous factors. But thats not surprising, the masses typically miss out on everything. confused
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Very well said. I agree witcha. Seriously though, it's no surprise. Folks have to understand, P is 47 years old and he's been in the game on a pro level since 1978. And he's been playing guitar longer than that. To many, especially those who was around and very much aware of Prince in his early days, EVERYBODY knew that P could throw down on guitar, even then.



Lets get to the real heart of the matter: if Prince was white, he would be on the front of those guitar magazines and best player polls every year. With the only exception being Hendrix (who even the dumbest racist cant deny is the greatest of all time), black guitarists from Chuck Berry to Ernie Isly to Eddie Hazel to Vernon Reid have never gotten the respect that is due because they were something other than "rock" - which unfortunately almost always means white. And that categorization isnt even correct because Chuck Berry is the real king of rock n roll and invented what is rock guitar today. Funkadelic and Living Colour were rock bands that rocked as hard as any of the tradtionally recognized hard rock bands with guitar heroes. Dez Dickerson brings so real insight to this race barrier in his book when he discusses the problem the record industry had with positioning him correctly even though he was some what established from being with Prince. They just did not want to do anything with a black rock artist that they could neatly fit into those genres that blacks "belong" in.

Prince makes this even more complex as he does so many others things so well (compose, produce, sing, dance, act, direct) and is consider a mainstream crossover artist. The general public is going to recall the Purple Rain movie and the splits and screams and the pants with the ass out and the symbol name because the general public doesnt care about musicianship. Hell, you dont even have to know how to play and instrument or sing to make a hit record these days. Real music lovers are listening to solos and going to concerts and witnessing the real musical chops of their favortite real musicians. They are, however, outnumbered by less sophisticated fans who just want to see what Prince is wearing and party like its 1999
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Reply #27 posted 06/22/05 10:25am

steveo

Dude can solo for sure, but his rhythm guitar is like no other. Simply unbelieveable...He's got to be THE FONKIEST rhythm guitar player I have EVER heard! worship
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Reply #28 posted 06/22/05 10:39am

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GCS4ever said:

blackguitaristz said:


Very well said. I agree witcha. Seriously though, it's no surprise. Folks have to understand, P is 47 years old and he's been in the game on a pro level since 1978. And he's been playing guitar longer than that. To many, especially those who was around and very much aware of Prince in his early days, EVERYBODY knew that P could throw down on guitar, even then.



Lets get to the real heart of the matter: if Prince was white, he would be on the front of those guitar magazines and best player polls every year. With the only exception being Hendrix (who even the dumbest racist cant deny is the greatest of all time), black guitarists from Chuck Berry to Ernie Isly to Eddie Hazel to Vernon Reid have never gotten the respect that is due because they were something other than "rock" - which unfortunately almost always means white. And that categorization isnt even correct because Chuck Berry is the real king of rock n roll and invented what is rock guitar today. Funkadelic and Living Colour were rock bands that rocked as hard as any of the tradtionally recognized hard rock bands with guitar heroes. Dez Dickerson brings so real insight to this race barrier in his book when he discusses the problem the record industry had with positioning him correctly even though he was some what established from being with Prince. They just did not want to do anything with a black rock artist that they could neatly fit into those genres that blacks "belong" in.

Prince makes this even more complex as he does so many others things so well (compose, produce, sing, dance, act, direct) and is consider a mainstream crossover artist. The general public is going to recall the Purple Rain movie and the splits and screams and the pants with the ass out and the symbol name because the general public doesnt care about musicianship. Hell, you dont even have to know how to play and instrument or sing to make a hit record these days. Real music lovers are listening to solos and going to concerts and witnessing the real musical chops of their favortite real musicians. They are, however, outnumbered by less sophisticated fans who just want to see what Prince is wearing and party like its 1999

Again, very well said. It is so nice to see that there are other's who are truly hip to this situation. Being a black rock guitarist myself, I didn't have no choice but to be hip to this matter, cuz I live it and haved lived for as long as I have been playing and dealing with the music business. U are dead on target with if P was white and the magazine covers and that whole "race" card. Bonus points as well for even mentioning 2 of my main influences on guitar, Eddie Hazel and Ernie Isley. Brother, u should be hanging over in the Non Prince section. We have discussed this very topic in GREAT detail! Right on, player!
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Reply #29 posted 06/22/05 1:34pm

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blackguitaristz said:

GCS4ever said:




Lets get to the real heart of the matter: if Prince was white, he would be on the front of those guitar magazines and best player polls every year. With the only exception being Hendrix (who even the dumbest racist cant deny is the greatest of all time), black guitarists from Chuck Berry to Ernie Isly to Eddie Hazel to Vernon Reid have never gotten the respect that is due because they were something other than "rock" - which unfortunately almost always means white. And that categorization isnt even correct because Chuck Berry is the real king of rock n roll and invented what is rock guitar today. Funkadelic and Living Colour were rock bands that rocked as hard as any of the tradtionally recognized hard rock bands with guitar heroes. Dez Dickerson brings so real insight to this race barrier in his book when he discusses the problem the record industry had with positioning him correctly even though he was some what established from being with Prince. They just did not want to do anything with a black rock artist that they could neatly fit into those genres that blacks "belong" in.

Prince makes this even more complex as he does so many others things so well (compose, produce, sing, dance, act, direct) and is consider a mainstream crossover artist. The general public is going to recall the Purple Rain movie and the splits and screams and the pants with the ass out and the symbol name because the general public doesnt care about musicianship. Hell, you dont even have to know how to play and instrument or sing to make a hit record these days. Real music lovers are listening to solos and going to concerts and witnessing the real musical chops of their favortite real musicians. They are, however, outnumbered by less sophisticated fans who just want to see what Prince is wearing and party like its 1999

Again, very well said. It is so nice to see that there are other's who are truly hip to this situation. Being a black rock guitarist myself, I didn't have no choice but to be hip to this matter, cuz I live it and haved lived for as long as I have been playing and dealing with the music business. U are dead on target with if P was white and the magazine covers and that whole "race" card. Bonus points as well for even mentioning 2 of my main influences on guitar, Eddie Hazel and Ernie Isley. Brother, u should be hanging over in the Non Prince section. We have discussed this very topic in GREAT detail! Right on, player!




what ever, [flame bait snip - luv4u]
Prince has been on several guitar mag covers, he has been on more covers than

Al DiMeola and Al would kill Prince on guitar any day of the week

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Prince is the one deciding not to do x amount of guitar mag covers, he is the one not talking about his playing, that is the biggest difference, [snip - luv4u]

[snip - luv4u]

[flame bait snip - luv4u]

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