symbol said:

What the FUCK mental problem do you have? Just by your response you have proven me right! I stated a FACT and you call me an ass kisser? First of all Motherfucker, I listen to Prince because I love his music.

the difference between you and I is many. But most outstanding is the fact that I would not be on an artist-subject website that I did not like and support.

YOU have nothing else to do with your sorry life but do the opposite.

you have the intelligence of a jelly donut...

34:59 minutes =

7 plus 14 = 21 = 3

HOW NICE...WINK *o)

eheiehmia said:

OR "777"

GODbliss ya

Realise that this album (at least for now) is exclusive only to NPGMC Year two members. I assume the membership totals little more than several thousand people and so costs will be high in producing and distributing to a limited marketplace. This is also maximised by having these destinations scattered around the globe.

Equate it with Uptown magazine if you will, Uptown in itself, 30 or so pages is not worth the cost in material terms but we pay over the odds for the rarity of the content and so that it may continue to exist in spite of limited readership on a specialist subject matter.

ian said:

Then why are you bitching about 100 dollars and you havent even received the whole allotment of NPGMC consumer goods?



{quote]No matter how wealthy any of us may be, no one likes being ripped off. If you were going to buy a car which you KNEW had a value of $60,000 but the salesman said "Oh, since you are wealthy we'll call it an even $120,000" wouldn't you feel ripped off?[/quote]

That's a terrible analogy--we are talking about a cd thats 35 minutes..short lets say 15 more mintes to keep bitching folks at bay. It isnt a huge piece of value such as purchasing a house or a car.



No the riff raff is not the fan base who joined the club. Plus thats a joke. If you're not part of the club than why are you bitching about it? If you are then why are you bitching about the worth of the club when the whole amount of the goods have not been delivered for sonsumption yet?

chookalana said:

What the FUCK mental problem do you have? Just by your response you have proven me right! I stated a FACT and you call me an ass kisser? First of all Motherfucker, I listen to Prince because I love his music.

the difference between you and I is many. But most outstanding is the fact that I would not be on an artist-subject website that I did not like and support.

[/quote]
- Well, I listen to Prince because I love his music too. I am sorry, but your comment that ´Prince.org doesnt need you´ just because somebody criticized his NPGMC or the album´s lenght sounds like an asskisser comment. Because nobody can criticize Prince that there is always a bunch of people that say we are ´naysayers´ or ´haters´ etc (that typical ´fam´comment: ´No matter what Prince does, there will be always people complaining´), like Prince never did a mistake in his whole life.
I wouldn´t be on an artist-subject website that I didnt like and support too. Prince.org is the only artist site I visit daily, because P is my fave artist, and I LOVE his music more and more after TRC.
But it doesn´t mean I wouldn´t criticize him if I dont agree with some of his attitudes.

Oh, the dumbasses are here with a vengeance today. Well I don't have as much free time as Wellbeyond clearly does so let me say this:

rdhull: Next time, try reading the WHOLE email before clicking "reply". You'll it much easier to avoid making an ass of yourself. I've never bitched about NPGMC being too expensive, and I don't think $100 is an unreasonable amount of money for the club.

Wellbeyond: Since you are selectively choosing tiny parts of the WHOLE points that I am making so as to avoid having your dumb arguments exposed for the Prince-arselicking they really are, let me lay it on the table for you all:

• If you sell a product or service without telling people what it is first, they cannot make an educated decision about whether to buy it or not. In that case, you are OBVIOUSLY going to get people who feel ripped off and disappointed.
  
• If you are a musician like Prince with a rabid fanbase, you'll still get plenty of idiots waiting to be parted with their cash anyway without knowing what their getting for their money.
  
• $25 for 5 songs is not a good deal. Period. But of course one can wait until the end of 2002 before assessing whether the NPGMC was good value or not. To date, it hasn't been good value for many members, or anything resembling good value.
  
• Selling club members songs that they had already paid for previously is not exactly a new tactic for NPGMC. During 2001, there were many cases where one would get the same music 3 or 4 times. I'm referring to those months where the new tracks would ALSO be featured on the Ahdio show and ALSO be featured in the video clips. Recognise that this is what Prince & Co have done before - taking a small amount of material and pawning it off the to rabidly loyal fanbase as new material.
  
• If you living in a part of the world that has been lucky enough to avail of the other NPGMC features such as the concerts etc, I'm not surprised you feel that your $100 was worth it. But understand that THERE ARE MANY PEOPLE IN THE CLUB THAT DO NOT FEEL THAT WAY. It's not about "screaming from the rooftops" or anything like it, it's just about the hard fact that not all members will get to avail of those "perks". Obviously.
  

Don't get me wrong: I blame the NPGMC members as much as I blame NPGMC. You buy something without know what it is? That's pretty stupid if you ask me. Buying anything from Prince & Co. is a gamble, and given last years club none of this is exactly surprising. Hopefully the club will improve during the rest of 2002, but so far for many members it has just been 5 months, with 5 new songs to show for their $100.

Whoop-dee-fucking-doo.

Ian
[This message was edited Fri May 17 2:23:43 PDT 2002 by ian]

rdhull said:


I'm not "bitching" about anything. And I've said here and in the other thread, that the true value of the NPGMC 2002 membership cannot be judged until the end of the year. Pay attention and you might look less stupid.



It may have been a terrible analogy but it is, at least, illustrative of my point. $120,000 is a lot of money to some people, but it isn't that much to other people. $100 might not seem like a huge amount of cash to you and I, but not everyone would feel the same way. Either way, is it unreasonable to ask for value for money? What is wrong with asking for that at least?




I'm doing neither. I'm not bitching about the club, I think they've delivered on their side of the deal. The problem is in selling products to people without telling them what the product is beforehand, and with selling them the same songs more than once. This is a recurring strategy with NPGMC and involves taking a small, limited amount of mediocre material and passing it off to the NPGMC membership again, and again. And I have said that the true value of the club cannot be assessed yet. But rather, I was responding the people earlier who keep going on about how great value the club has been for them so far this year with the concerts etc - my point was that not everyone will have been able to avail of those perks and that overall, the first 5 months of NPGMC 2002 have not been good value overall.

My points stand. Hopefully things will get better during the second half of 2002, I'd like to see the club become good.

Ian

ian said:

your point stands firmly Ian. I have asked the npgmc about this. I asked them why they didn't give out as many information as possible about their service (the cd's and tour especially) when they want to be paid 100$ in advance to do that.

they basically told me that they prefer to stay vague, because when they get explicit and clear in their info, things may go wrong further on the way, when PRINCE (yes... ) decides to do it all differently and THEN people will really start to complain!!
Really that's what they told me!

THAT's where the problem is with too little info. prince doesn't want to give it, so he can stay as free as possible during the year with what albums he will release and where he will tour. It's not the fault of the people working for the club.

ian said:

I lumped you in with the ones who were non members yet bitching about it, and as those who were bitching about the cd when they had not even received it which is dumb. Sorry about that. And your statement I agree with.



It may have been a terrible analogy but it is, at least, illustrative of my point. $120,000 is a lot of money to some people, but it isn't that much to other people. $100 might not seem like a huge amount of cash to you and I, but not everyone would feel the same way. Either way, is it unreasonable to ask for value for money? What is wrong with asking for that at least?

As I said up above, I lumped u in with the nonsensical complainers foolheartedly, but good point and I agree with most of it but not all.

GustavoRibas said:

- Well, I listen to Prince because I love his music too. I am sorry, but your comment that ´Prince.org doesnt need you´ just because somebody criticized his NPGMC or the album´s lenght sounds like an asskisser comment. Because nobody can criticize Prince that there is always a bunch of people that say we are ´naysayers´ or ´haters´ etc (that typical ´fam´comment: ´No matter what Prince does, there will be always people complaining´), like Prince never did a mistake in his whole life.
I wouldn´t be on an artist-subject website that I didnt like and support too. Prince.org is the only artist site I visit daily, because P is my fave artist, and I LOVE his music more and more after TRC.
But it doesn´t mean I wouldn´t criticize him if I dont agree with some of his attitudes.[/quote]

I agree with you. But keep in mind YES everyone has an opinion. And that's the way it should be. But DO NOT call me an ass kisser when first of all you do not know me. And yes I have posted things I did not like what Prince has done. But at the same time do not attack me and call me a Prince ass-kisser because of MY opinion....

wellbeyond said:

What great reasoning: "it's a better deal than scalpers"!



Except that the NPGMC doesn't *guarantee* this at all.



Last time I checked, you can't buy extra copies. So unless you're willing to sell your original copy, or are mad enough to subscribe multiple times...



What if the CDs start popping up at shows? At the Celebration? At the NPGMC online store?



Except that CDs in stores have several middle men, each taking a nice cut. Why do *loyal* fans need to be charged far more than distributors? If Pearl Jam -- let's not forget: a MAJOR LABEL band -- could do it with their live CDs last year (available to fan club members online for farr LESS than the store price, plus BEFORE the CDs hit stores), why can't Mr. Independence? Why does he have to be the only guy to profit from the "no middle men in sight" cost reduction? Why not pass on that reduction to his most loyal fans? Why do distributors get a better deal than fans?



If you're sad enough to only go to the big city to buy Prince CDs, perhaps. People like me -- who like MUSIC and aren't just stuck on one artist -- visit record stores several times a week.



FACT: there's at least TWO places on the NPGMC site where they clearly refer to 4 CDs, no more, no less. Just look at the 2001 edition: most of the time it barely fulfilled it's required quota, and for at least one month it was a complete rip-off (unless you think that a lo-fi TRC is fulfilling that month's quota).



Nope. For $100, Prince could EASILY send out 8 CDs and still make a decent profit. (And I'm not talking about EP-length CDs.) The tour CD-singles last year were $5 each (and don't think Prince isn't making a nice profit off of those), and producing a full-length CD is only slightly more expensive than a CD-single. Look around in music mags: printing a CD is usually less than $1, and people like Prince can EASILY obtain far better rates.



Except that we don't get the option to do the CD-only thing.

Okay quit whining and enjoy ur cd!
So what if it's only 35 mins, it's 35 mins u wouldn;t normally have!!!
So stop ya bitchin and listen 2 da sounds

BTW I received mine yesterday (21-5-02)