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Oreochld32 said: Maybe I'm in the minority, but I download ENTIRE albums all the time, but yet I still purchase the album in the stores. Why? Because I like to have the case and booklet. So if I downloaded 6 out of 10 ONA songs, oh well. That's four new songs, and a REAL CD rather than the burnt one I have with those songs.
The album is 35 minutes of fanstasic quaility, but some people here would obviously settle for 40 extra minutes of sub-standard filler tracks. "The CD cost me $25 and he has not toured my country" where the hell was it officially announced that the tour was over? Come on.....waiting.....Oh so the CD now may not have cost as much as $25 after all. "The CD will be available to 'others'" what, just like Rave In2 is. You all pleaded for a piano album, I dont know why, but now you have one you would rather have it full of crap. It cost $100 for one years membership, not $25 per CD, if may have escaped peoples notice but it is MAY and the membership runs to JANUARY 2003, so lets bang the nail in the club coffin in January if were still not happy then. For your information: Macy Gray's ID album is - 40 minutes, Lenncy Kravits latest one is, guess what - 40 minutes. [This message was edited Wed May 15 17:00:54 PDT 2002 by GoldiesParade] http://www.goldiesparade.co.uk/ - Prince discography, tour history, news and more. | |
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Any1 can scann the covers please????
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drhodes said: I don't know why the length of the CD is such an issue.
It is only an issue with the MWB club. The Men Who Bitch. "Climb in my fur." | |
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Those individuals complaining about the prior availability of half of the tracks on this CD forget one thing, something central to Prince's status as an artist.
As an artist, Prince puts out music that make an artistic statement. Releasing ONA in this form is making one of these statements. Regardless of previous availability, Prince has arranged the tracks in this manner, added others, ensured their sonic quality and then released it in 'proper' packaging - a whole complete package. He is saying "These songs are good enough for me to consider them an important expression of where I am right now. I am placing them in this order and this is how they should be listened to. These tracks individually and at a lower quality mean little compared to their value as part of a complete package." Let's not underestimate the value of this. ONA is an artistic statement. It is to be placed in the great Prince catalogue, dating from 1978. I feel quite honoured that we should be the recipients of this. Speaking merely of the length of the album or of the previous availability of tracks is severely oversimplistic and neglects its true value. | |
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(from iinc.com, 1997)
"I was reminded this week of the growing length of albums these days, especially in the Hip Hop world... This year alone, we have been witness to the release of three double Hip Hop albums; Notorious B.I.G., Wu-Tang Clan and now Bone Thugs-N-Harmony Art Of War album. Every year, albums seem to gain in length, but is it a case of quantity versus quality? I see and hear complaints all the time from consumers when an album isn't long enough, or does not contain enough songs. But, is every new purchaser happy with all the songs on that double length, super extended album that they just dropped hard earned cash on? I have a Classics Revisited section on this website, but never gave my description and/or criteria for what a classic is, at least to me. In a nut shell, it is an album that eventually moved me and stayed in my personal rotation for months; was always reached for when the market was wack and is still capable of exciting me today. The last album I rated a classic? 1994's Nas Illmatic. An album that fit perfectly on one side of a 90 minute tape that, once it was done playing, I could quickly rewind it and play it again. Nearly all new albums today require a 60 minute tape minimum, have a lot of filler material and skits, and get boring over time because they are just too long. The B.I.G. album was cool, but when I look at that 90 minute tape that would not fit all the songs on the album and I started thinking of the songs I had to skip, I wasn't reaching for it. Wu-Tang Clan? I only had time to peep it once. It didn't blow me away, so I haven't found time to check it again. The Lost Boyz? One listen. The Lady Of Rage, two listens. Throw in a minimum of 60 minutes to at least once listen to the albums I didn't like and time isn't on my side. Count the number of tracks you eventually end up skipping after a few listens and you either wish they kept those songs off the album or that you bought it on CD instead of Vinyl for easy skipping and recording purposes. While the consumer clamors for longer albums and put albums they do not deem "long" enough for their purchase back on the shelf, this is a trend that will just continue to grow. Quantity is beating the pants off of Quality." (from mwmw.com)
"About a year ago, I read an interview with Billy Corgan of the Smashing Pumpkins, and, I'm paraphrasing here, but he said something I thought was one of the most trenchant observations I've seen from a major rock star in the last several years. No kidding. (This was in the press flack for Siamese Dream time-frame). He said that the CD format was damaging people's ability to make good record albums. As he explained it, between the pressure from labels to have new product available once a year or so, and the pressure to fill up the CD with at least 55 to 60 minutes of music, that a lot of artists were putting too much filler on their records. He actually said that he thought Siamese Dream would have been stronger if it had been shorter." Sugar Ray's CD:.....$18.97 list price on CDNow.....40 minutes in length Madonna's "Music" CD.....$18.97 list price on CDNow...45 minutes in length And finally, The Strokes "Is This It" CD: -- Picked in the Pazz and Jop critics poll as the 2nd best CD of 2001.... -- A critic said that "Nearly half of Is This It? consists of their previously released material, but that's not really a disappointment since those songs are so strong"..... -- List price of $18.19 on CDNow -- Total running time: 36 minutes So I say, bring on One Nite Alone.... "EP" my ass...  | |
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wellbeyond said: (from iinc.com, 1997)
"I was reminded this week of the growing length of albums these days, especially in the Hip Hop world... This year alone, we have been witness to the release of three double Hip Hop albums; Notorious B.I.G., Wu-Tang Clan and now Bone Thugs-N-Harmony Art Of War album. Every year, albums seem to gain in length, but is it a case of quantity versus quality? I see and hear complaints all the time from consumers when an album isn't long enough, or does not contain enough songs. But, is every new purchaser happy with all the songs on that double length, super extended album that they just dropped hard earned cash on? I have a Classics Revisited section on this website, but never gave my description and/or criteria for what a classic is, at least to me. In a nut shell, it is an album that eventually moved me and stayed in my personal rotation for months; was always reached for when the market was wack and is still capable of exciting me today. The last album I rated a classic? 1994's Nas Illmatic. An album that fit perfectly on one side of a 90 minute tape that, once it was done playing, I could quickly rewind it and play it again. Nearly all new albums today require a 60 minute tape minimum, have a lot of filler material and skits, and get boring over time because they are just too long. The B.I.G. album was cool, but when I look at that 90 minute tape that would not fit all the songs on the album and I started thinking of the songs I had to skip, I wasn't reaching for it. Wu-Tang Clan? I only had time to peep it once. It didn't blow me away, so I haven't found time to check it again. The Lost Boyz? One listen. The Lady Of Rage, two listens. Throw in a minimum of 60 minutes to at least once listen to the albums I didn't like and time isn't on my side. Count the number of tracks you eventually end up skipping after a few listens and you either wish they kept those songs off the album or that you bought it on CD instead of Vinyl for easy skipping and recording purposes. While the consumer clamors for longer albums and put albums they do not deem "long" enough for their purchase back on the shelf, this is a trend that will just continue to grow. Quantity is beating the pants off of Quality." (from mwmw.com)
"About a year ago, I read an interview with Billy Corgan of the Smashing Pumpkins, and, I'm paraphrasing here, but he said something I thought was one of the most trenchant observations I've seen from a major rock star in the last several years. No kidding. (This was in the press flack for Siamese Dream time-frame). He said that the CD format was damaging people's ability to make good record albums. As he explained it, between the pressure from labels to have new product available once a year or so, and the pressure to fill up the CD with at least 55 to 60 minutes of music, that a lot of artists were putting too much filler on their records. He actually said that he thought Siamese Dream would have been stronger if it had been shorter." Sugar Ray's CD:.....$18.97 list price on CDNow.....40 minutes in length Madonna's "Music" CD.....$18.97 list price on CDNow...45 minutes in length And finally, The Strokes "Is This It" CD: -- Picked in the Pazz and Jop critics poll as the 2nd best CD of 2001.... -- A critic said that "Nearly half of Is This It? consists of their previously released material, but that's not really a disappointment since those songs are so strong"..... -- List price of $18.19 on CDNow -- Total running time: 36 minutes So I say, bring on One Nite Alone.... "EP" my ass... Virgin Records London Oxford St Strokes album £11.99 ($17.50?) Madonna - Music £4.99 ($7.50) Sugar Ray - That don't sell crap. SOTT (double) in HMV, £10.99 ($16?) . | |
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Gubbin/Wellbeyond, I really do value the views of you guys. Read my thread about the value of ONA. Give me those views!!! . | |
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SquirrelMeat said: Virgin Records London Oxford St
Strokes album £11.99 ($17.50?) Madonna - Music £4.99 ($7.50) Sugar Ray - That don't sell crap. SOTT (double) in HMV, £10.99 ($16?) SOTT is 14 years old...so how much it's sellin' for now is irrelevant... Madonna's "Music" CD wasn't selling for $7.50 when it was brand spankin' new, and you know it...
Strokes album is a mere 1 minute longer than One Nite Alone, and also includes previously released material on it...and was considered one of the best albums of the year...critics didn't seem to desire to label it as an "EP", neither did the fans who bought it... So why are we?... | |
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wellbeyond said:[quote
And finally, The Strokes "Is This It" CD: -- A critic said that "Nearly half of Is This It? consists of their previously released material, but that's not really a disappointment since those songs are so strong"..... "Nearly?" ONA IS 50% previously release material, and Prince is cutting out the middle man, what should that cost? By the way, the Stroke CD is a grower! . | |
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wellbeyond said:[quote]
Madonna's "Music" CD wasn't selling for $7.50 when it was brand spankin' new, and you know it...
But it is now. Even if you are talking about release time, you are saying she charged $19 for a good CD with a $3 mill advertising budget, plus record company and store profits, and still delivered for less. Prince said he wanted to cut out the middle man. Obviously he didn't want to cut out the middlemans profit. He actually increased it. Free the music???? . | |
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SquirrelMeat said: wellbeyond said: And finally, The Strokes "Is This It" CD: -- A critic said that "Nearly half of Is This It? consists of their previously released material, but that's not really a disappointment since those songs are so strong"..... "Nearly?" ONA IS 50% previously release material, and Prince is cutting out the middle man, what should that cost? By the way, the Stroke CD is a grower! LoL..ok, now you're trying to find something, anything to stick to the concept that having "previously released" songs on an album is a rip-off...clearly, the fact that The Strokes did the same thing shows that it's not...and for the record, there are 11 songs on "Is This It?", so it' can't be a clean-cut 50%...that's why they said "nearly"...5 songs out of 11 can be "nearly"... | |
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SquirrelMeat said: Even if you are talking about release time, you are saying she charged $19 for a good CD with a $3 mill advertising budget, plus record company and store profits, and still delivered for less.
Prince said he wanted to cut out the middle man. Obviously he didn't want to cut out the middlemans profit. He actually increased it. Free the music???? What, exactly, is it you're complaining about??..My point was that going on and on about the ONA CD being a "rip off" because 1) it's "only" 35 minutes long, and 2) it has "previously released" material on it is a flawed way of thinking...and I used an almost universally praised album as an example to show why. As a billion people have said already a billion times over, the club is NOT charging people $25 per CD...it is charging for both product(the CDs, the aftershows) AND services(the soundchecks, early purchase of tickets, whatever "perks" come around at the Celebration)...How much does it cost to get into an aftershow or afterparty??...$15??...$20??...In the case of the HOB show, it was $50...members generally get into these shows for $0...(with the HOB show being an exception for some members)...so the club provides a "product" that would normally cost you anywhere from $15-$50, along with 4 CDs that would normally cost you anywhere from $60-$75... We can't put a market value on things like attending sound checks because those types of "services" don't have a monetary value to judge it against...so it's up to you as an individual to decide how much it's worth to attend a sound check...$10??...$15??...Would you pay an extra $15 when you buy your ticket in order to sit in on the sound check??...Something tells me you would...I know I would... And the market has already showed that we WOULD pay quite a bit for a service which guaranteed great seats without you having to battle thousands of other concert goers at TicketMaster...and this service is provided by scalpers...lol.. And Scalpers generally charge you something like 50% of the ticket value for their service, if not more...
That is truly the only way to guage the actual worth of what the npgmc is "selling"...now, whether or not you'll actually have a chance to ACCESS all these services is another matter.....and one that should have been thoroughly considered before joining, not afterwards...clearly there are a number of members who did not... | |
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Why is so many people angry about how long the CD is or How much the membership is. Lets raise the membership to $200.00 and dump the cheap SOB's. | |
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My2Cents said: Why is so many people angry about how long the CD is or How much the membership is. Lets raise the membership to $200.00 and dump the cheap SOB's.
This is friggin comedy!  "Climb in my fur." | |
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Bart SAid:
"Now compare to the "evil WB years", when we'd get one album each year, often accompanied by a worldwide tour that was announced ahead of time so you could have a good chance of going (plus affordable tickets, large enough venues,...), and plenty of singles and maxi-singles, videos and side projects. And you didn't need to pay more for this than for other artists." Bart U R everything people on this board and on a couple other boards have said about U. Your rep speaks 4 itself so I don't feel as tho I should have 2 repeat it. Futhermore, Prince toured worldwide sure in those years but as far as the U.S. getting large tours please. 1984, 1986,1988, and 1992. He toured more of Europe in those days. Now he has toured almost every year since 1993 that I can remember. So much so that one year I went to two Prince concerts in less than 8 months for Washington/Baltimore. And once during that time he hit both Baltimore, Washington, and oh yeah Richmond, and Philidelphia, New York... Give the man a break he may act like one, but he is not a machine. | |
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One thing you should consider (Wellbeyond and others), is that with all those "short" CDs that you listed, you at least have the choice of going into a record store, looking at the track listing and making an educated guess as to whether you want to buy it or not. If you saw a CD in a shop, and it was $25 and you had already bought half of the songs on it, you might think twice before handing over your cash.
If given the choice, I wouldn't spend $25 on a Prince CD if I KNEW that I already had half of the songs on it - particularly since I had bought those songs from the same source (NPGMC) in the first place. The people who paid their $100 for NPGMC in 2002 did not have any choice in what they got. They made a leap of faith and trusted that "oh, I'm sure NPGMC wouldn't do the same as last year and sell me same songs I already paid for again and again" and NPGMC repaid them by doing exactly that. ONA is not good value. $25 for 5 songs is not a good deal. At least Prince's financial future is secure with so many fools so readily parted from their cash. It's an EP, and if you were a member of NPGMC in 2001 (so you have half the songs already) it's a bloody single. $25 for a single, wow how can Prince be making a profit with such small margins!? Ian [This message was edited Fri May 17 2:27:31 PDT 2002 by ian] | |
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ian said: One thing you should consider (Wellbeyond and others), is that with all those "short" CDs that you listed, you at least have the choice of going into a record store, looking at the track listing and making an educated guess as to whether you want to buy it or not. If you saw a CD in a shop, and it was $25 and you had already bought most of the songs on it, you might think twice before handing over your cash.
You already have MOST of the songs??...Hardly...at best you have 4 of the 10 songs in MP3 format, and a fifth song buried deep within an hour long audio file...and am I the only one hearing those echoes of the constant blitz of complaints last year about how MP3's "just don't compare" quality-wise to what you'd get on a CD??...Which, of course, would mean that anyone who has them from last year has them in an inferior quality format to begin with... The people who paid their $100 for NPGMC in 2002 did not have any choice in what they got. They made a leap of faith and trusted that "oh, I'm sure NPGMC wouldn't do the same as last year and sell me same songs I already paid for again and again" and NPGMC repaid them by doing exactly that.
Are you freakin' kidding me???...lol..You might have been the ONLY person alive who didn't see that the NPG Music Club ADVERTISED those downloads from January as being from the upcoming CD "One Nite Alone"...and you ALSO must have been the only person alive who missed out on the npgmc saying before year 2 started up that "One Nite Alone" would be one of the 4 CDs that year 2 club members get...So, let's see...the npgmc says in January "Here are 4 new songs by Prince...these are from an upcoming CD called "One Nite Alone"...if you join in year 2, you'll be able to recieve this album in CD format thru the mail.."...Now, how exactly does being TOLD IN ADVANCE that these downloads were going to be part of year 2 equate to a "leap of faith" in your eyes??.. If you seriously ONA is good value, you're a fucking idiot. At least Prince's financial future is secure with fools so readily parted from their cash.
As well as reading comprehension, take an economics class or two...lol..because as already stated above, and on too many other threads to keep count, the NPG Music Club has never charged ANYONE $25 for a CD....And how the hell can I deem ONA worth ANY amount of money until I HEAR it??...All I can say is that I've heard 5 of the songs so far in recorded format, and a 6th song live...and ALL of the songs have been great in my eyes...6 out of 6...oh, yeah, what a moron I am for thinking positively about this CD's arrival...MUCH better to label it an "EP" and call everyone who thinks of it as a legitimate album a "fucking idiot"... | |
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for Ian and wb
the ONA cd value is marked on the postal envelope:$10 us | |
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camilleisfunky said: for Ian and wb
the ONA cd value is marked on the postal envelope:$10 us Sounds like the normal wholesale value that retailers buy the CD for from record labels, around $9-$10...the $8 mark-up usually comes in the retail stores...I sincerely doubt the market value is $10... | |
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ian said: If you seriously ONA is good value, you're a fucking idiot. At least Prince's financial future is secure with fools so readily parted from their cash. Ian You call 100 dollars cash? Please. Just like well established acts like The Stones, Eagles etc who have been around for eons, Prince has upped the ante on his prices. The longtime fans by now should be able to easily afford 100 dollars. That price evidently keeps the riff-raff out as it should. "Climb in my fur." | |
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omegalpha1999 said: Young and beautiful starts with some japanese style harmony on the Piano. The intro sounds very nice, and the song is great too. Arboretum is an instrumental. Soft piano, with some pad synths in the back. It is about 2 minutes long... then you hear Prince standing and walking away from the Piano. After that, there is one minute of complete silence. - I am very curious about these tracks...I must confess that the songs I heard from NPGMC didnt impress me much, specially the ones with falsetto. I was expecting more instrumentals or jazz stuff from the ´piano album´ and I am much more excited about ´Xenophobia´ |
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I joined the club just this February and since then I have attended a fantastic rehearsal, got to sing on stage with Prince, and I'm going to Paisley Park in June. These were things that I only dreamed about. I can see some of the frustrations of the members but for me, I will keep up my membership as long as the club exists. I've reaped too many rewards for my $100 in only 3 months. | |
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jseven said: Isn;t Pearls before the Swine an acoustic track?
hmm..... I do wonder if this is real or fake.....other people from Canada woudl be posting that they got it as well today...so we will see..... Thanx NPNY for the light..... [This message was edited Tue May 14 10:06:00 PDT 2002 by jseven] a fake? LOL...no man i got mine tuesday Bob | |
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all i hear is complaneing.i know we spent 100 buck's on the npgmc but by now u would know if u really think that u r getin riped of by prince.& would not re-do your membership.so as it go's luv it or leave it 
hey im no1. just another with something 2 say is all. Prince Fan~Natic 32 Years & Counting | |
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Good thread!
About Bart´s posts: I wont get into the copyright issues and why this album is long or short. Dave Lee Roth once released an EP with 4 tracks and he said that he preferred to release the only 4 good songs instead of 10 bad songs. So, if Prince felt the album was cohesive with 35 mins long, it´s ok. It´s the artist´s decision. But I will get into a more complex issue. Bart has a point: NPGMC members are usually (not everytime) ripped off. First: people pay lots of money to be able to watch the soundchecks, afterparties, etc. It´s a good thing to be able to do it, but it´s NOT EVERYONE who will be able to see him live. Some members live in places where P will never perform, and when he performs he CHARGES MORE THAN 120 DOLLARS for a concert! It´s an absurd! And if this CD costs 25 dollars, it´s very expensive. Some people would say: ´Prince is independent now....he must charge this because he needs to survive.´, but we know there are lots of indie artists that charge much less and still survive. I dont believe Ani di Franco would sell tickets for more than 100 dollars. About the music: I always thought NPGMC was a GREAT idea, because Prince would be free to open his Vault to his fans. And it started well, with a live rehearsal called ´Habibi´ (aka Machine Gun). I had access of all the tracklists of the Ahdios....lots of repeated songs, like ´When I lay my hands on U´. I was watching the ´Prince:portrait´ video. There is a live performance snippet with Prince and George Clinton playing ´Tear off the roof´ with P on drums. Another snippet shows P playing slap bass over ´Partyman´. Why NOT release it on the Ahdios? Why does Prince hide some of his best stuff from us? Why not release more rehearsals, Paisley Jams, etc. Instead, he puts old Time songs. Why not release the Exodus sessions and rehearsals for the NPG95 fans for example? I am almost sure P records most of his rehearsals and live performances. Why not more stuff like ´We gonna make it funky´ with maceo parker? (one of the highlights of the year). Instead, December and January editions were full of remixes of ´Face down´, ´Human body´, etc. It´s nice, but dont you think it could be a lot better? Well, I am not a naysayer. I am not whining and whining. I am only saying it could be better, and it would probably attract more fans if things were different. If Prince cursed record companies so much, saying they were greedy and didnt allow him to release all the music he wanted to, he must be better than they were. Some parts of NPGMC are better, but some are worse. What do you think? |
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rdhull said: ian said: If you seriously ONA is good value, you're a fucking idiot. At least Prince's financial future is secure with fools so readily parted from their cash. Ian You call 100 dollars cash? Please. Just like well established acts like The Stones, Eagles etc who have been around for eons, Prince has upped the ante on his prices. The longtime fans by now should be able to easily afford 100 dollars. That price evidently keeps the riff-raff out as it should. Well that's a rather arrogant viewpoint, but I'll address it anyway for comedic value. Firstly, I can easily afford the $100. Shit, if Prince was charging $10,000 I could afford it. It isn't about whether I or anyone can afford it or not. No matter how wealthy any of us may be, no one likes being ripped off. If you were going to buy a car which you KNEW had a value of $60,000 but the salesman said "Oh, since you are wealthy we'll call it an even $120,000" wouldn't you feel ripped off? Bottom line - a bad deal is a bad deal. If "keeping riff raff out" as you say means Prince;s fanbase being a bunch of idiots who are happy to be conned out of their cash, I for one want no part of it
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wellbeyond said:
As well as reading comprehension, take an economics class or two...lol.. As patronising as ever I see WB. Well let me say this - it doesn't take an accountant or a degree in economics to recognise that $25 for 5 songs is not exactly the going market rate for new music. And if the postage details list the value of the CD as $10, then $10 it is. Some valued at $10 sold for $25, that sounds like a good deal to me! wellbeyond said: because as already stated above, and on too many other threads to keep count, the NPG Music Club has never charged ANYONE $25 for a CD....And how the hell can I deem ONA worth ANY amount of money until I HEAR it??...All I can say is that I've heard 5 of the songs so far in recorded format, and a 6th song live...and ALL of the songs have been great in my eyes...6 out of 6...oh, yeah, what a moron I am for thinking positively about this CD's arrival...MUCH better to label it an "EP" and call everyone who thinks of it as a legitimate album a "fucking idiot"... The songs may be great Wellbeyond, but the fact is that NPGMC members (who were members in 2001) have ALREADY PAID for half of those songs. Not that I am hating on NPGMC - they are living up to their side of the deal. But when you sell a product to people without telling them what it is beforehand you are bound to get (a) people feeling ripped off and (b) plenty of idiots parting with their cash anyway. And to clarify the point which you've clearly misunderstood, I never that anyone who thinks of ONA as a legitimate album is a "fucking idiot". I said that anyone who thinks it is good value is a fucking idiot. Because it just isn't good value, plain and simple. Ian | |
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ian said: As patronising as ever I see WB. Well let me say this - it doesn't take an accountant or a degree in economics to recognise that $25 for 5 songs is not exactly the going market rate for new music.
The patronizing part comes out because the hundreds of times it's been said, it goes in one eye and out the other with some people..lol..the only thing left is sarcasm to get the point across...and the point is, once again, the npgmc has never charged anyone $25 for a CD...However, there are those who have DECIDED to spend $100 on four CDs...and they did that when they joined before knowing whether or not they would be able to take advantage of any other products or services...THEY made the decision to pay "$25 per CD", NOT the music club...put the responsibility where it belongs... And if the postage details list the value of the CD as $10, then $10 it is. Some valued at $10 sold for $25, that sounds like a good deal to me!
Here's something you either didn't know or didn't think of...the "value" that people put on an item when mailing it out of the country will determine if any duty taxes are paid...I maied something to Austria once, they asked me to put a value on what was inside the package...I put down how much I bought the item for, which was $50...turns out that anything over like $40 going to Austria gets taxed TWICE, and I had to pay for BOTH taxes...paid an extra $43 dollars on having that thing mailed...had I known ahead of time, though, I would have said the value of what I was mailing was $30, just to avoid paying duty and taxes... Also, ALL CDs have a value around $10 when they're finally sent to market...I thought that was common knowledge, at least on a music site...you'd have to be braindead to think the npgmc put the retail value of a NEW Prince CD at $10 bucks...please...that's reaching for straws to try and prove your point... | |
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Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 12:39:06 -0600 (CST)
From: "NPG Music Club" High NPGMC, It's a new year and we would now like 2 offer all r members "The 2002 Package" of the NPG Music Club - New CDs, New Tours, New Xperiences. As a 2002 member of the NPG Music Club, u will receive at least 4 NEW Prince CDs, just like ones offered in retail stores, that will b mailed 2 u directly thruout the year from Paisley Park. And once again, [really?] u will b given members-only oppor2nities 2 get the best seats in the house on Prince's upcoming world-wide tour. Prince & The NPG will take the stage all over the world in 2002 2 xplore new dimensions in music in a way u have never heard b4 from Prince. NPGMC 2002 Members will have the chance 2 b there every step of the way xperiencing the music up close and personal, with oppor2nities 4 soundcheck access and aftershow entrance as well. The 2002 Package will b available 4 $100 and cover all of 2002. Members with months left on their old membership will be given options 4 renewing. Visit the site in mid-February 2 access the next xperience. Come and b a part of the 2002 NPG Music Club! Love4oneanother, The NPG Music Club 2002 www.npgmusicclub.com Thu, 14 Mar 2002 17:48:36 -0600 (CST) High NPG Music Club, The first CD is almost ready 2 go and we will b sending out an announcement as soon as the first ones hit the mail. Between now and the end of the year, lots of amazing music will b headed ur way, this is only the beginning. ----- i wonder 'the beginning'.... [This message was edited Thu May 16 17:14:24 PDT 2002 by Abrazo] You are not my "friend" because you threaten my security. | |
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For all of the math aficionados that keep promoting that $25 per CD number, please calculate how much these 4 CDs cost those who were able to take advantage of the concert benefits? Are they $20, $15, $10, $5, or free?
I'd really like to know so that I can tell if I'm being ripped off or not.
We live in a world where fewer and fewer people everyday are willing to take personal responsibility for their actions. It’s always more convenient and less painful to blame others. It seems some could only divide $100 by 4 AFTER they signed up for this Club. The only legitimate complaint I've seen here is that the tour was promoted as a "World Tour," and if that doesn't materialize by January of 2003, that certainly is not living up to the promises advertised by the NPGMC. However, if Prince does make this into a world tour, it still doesn't at all guarantee that he will stop in a city near you. Why didn't every single person take this shit into account before spending his or her hard-earned money? It was an obvious perk that couldn’t be guaranteed! If you thought $100 was too much unless you had a guarantee that you could also take advantage of the concert benefits, then you SHOULDN'T HAVE JOINED THE CLUB UNTIL YOU GOT CONFIRMATION THAT HE WAS TOURING NEAR YOU. These are simple, logic-based consumer decisions one has to make on an almost daily basis. Look in the mirror, the face staring back at you is the person who is to blame, regardless of whether the NPGMC is a great value or the worst value in recorded history. Nothing is a surprise here at all to me. If I don’t get at least 4 CDs and the tour doesn’t end up being a World Tour, then I’ll have complaints. I bought a Coke today, it didn’t “add life”, I’m thinking of suing. | |
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