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Thread started 04/15/05 5:30am

Krystal666

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What do you think about Prince's too much sexieness argument?

I really do agree with Prince that artits now are selling too much sex and it is all style over substance and using your imagination is sexier than having it thrust in you face but...come on Prince! He is seroiously saying that hip hopers out there have more sexed up lyrics that he did back in the eighties???? Like what I guess I am missing it can someone please give me some examples in where a rapper is more graphic than Head, or Jack u off, or I love you in me??? Am I the only one who remembers how vulgar Prince was back in the eighties?? My father used to have a little fit when he caught me watching Prince hump the floor and moan...and let's not forget having Mayte up there in hot pants spreading her legs...Prince really just comes off as an aging artist who can't pull off the overt sexiness thing so he just starts bitching...
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Reply #1 posted 04/15/05 5:37am

testicleman

Krystal666 said:

i really do agree with Prince that artits now are selling too much sex and it is all style over substance and using your imagination is sexier than having it thrust in you face


maybe i'm confusing you with someone else...

but weren't you a lapdancer? hmm














If that is your real name, Krystal. lol
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Reply #2 posted 04/15/05 5:44am

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Evidently Prince is trying to grow old with some dignity.Obviously his days of filthy lyrics are behind him, which is unfortunate, but at least his rude songs were legendary unlike todays popular artists who's material is instantly forgettable therefore relying upon sensationalist video's to compensate for the poorness of their songs


"This is your pilot Prince speaking"
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Reply #3 posted 04/15/05 6:23am

OdysseyMiles

Krystal, I think you may be missing Prince's point.
Sure, Prince has been extremely explicit throughout his career, BUT that wasn't all he had to offer. The guy always had something to say and brought some substance to the table.
His complaint about artists nowadays is not the fact that they talk about sex or rely on "sexiness" it's the fact that in most cases, it's all that artist has to offer.
One of the main reasons Prince has been around so long is because he's always had something relevant to say or discuss. Sure, the subjects of love and sex were there, but so was the social, racial, economic and political.
When you look at everything going on in the world today, and all an artist has to offer is "everybody in the club gettin' tipsy", that wears thin pretty quick.
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Reply #4 posted 04/15/05 6:25am

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I agree with Prince. Prince was nasty as hell but he also had talent. If sex helped to sell Prince's talent, then so be it. Most of today's artists have absolutely no talent and strictly rely on sex to sell their weak music.
Andy is a four letter word.
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Reply #5 posted 04/15/05 6:27am

OdysseyMiles

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I agree with Prince. Prince was nasty as hell but he also had talent. If sex helped to sell Prince's talent, then so be it. Most of today's artists have absolutely no talent and strictly rely on sex to sell their weak music.


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Reply #6 posted 04/15/05 6:28am

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OdysseyMiles said:

Krystal, I think you may be missing Prince's point.
Sure, Prince has been extremely explicit throughout his career, BUT that wasn't all he had to offer. The guy always had something to say and brought some substance to the table.
His complaint about artists nowadays is not the fact that they talk about sex or rely on "sexiness" it's the fact that in most cases, it's all that artist has to offer.


Apparently we were both typing at the same time and you beat me to the punch. I'm jealous. lol By the way, very well said.
Andy is a four letter word.
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Reply #7 posted 04/15/05 6:29am

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OdysseyMiles said:

Krystal, I think you may be missing Prince's point.
Sure, Prince has been extremely explicit throughout his career, BUT that wasn't all he had to offer. The guy always had something to say and brought some substance to the table.
His complaint about artists nowadays is not the fact that they talk about sex or rely on "sexiness" it's the fact that in most cases, it's all that artist has to offer.
One of the main reasons Prince has been around so long is because he's always had something relevant to say or discuss. Sure, the subjects of love and sex were there, but so was the social, racial, economic and political.
When you look at everything going on in the world today, and all an artist has to offer is "everybody in the club gettin' tipsy", that wears thin pretty quick.

and there it is.
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Reply #8 posted 04/15/05 6:29am

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OdysseyMiles said:

vainandy said:

I agree with Prince. Prince was nasty as hell but he also had talent. If sex helped to sell Prince's talent, then so be it. Most of today's artists have absolutely no talent and strictly rely on sex to sell their weak music.


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Reply #9 posted 04/15/05 6:34am

OdysseyMiles

vainandy said:

OdysseyMiles said:

Krystal, I think you may be missing Prince's point.
Sure, Prince has been extremely explicit throughout his career, BUT that wasn't all he had to offer. The guy always had something to say and brought some substance to the table.
His complaint about artists nowadays is not the fact that they talk about sex or rely on "sexiness" it's the fact that in most cases, it's all that artist has to offer.


Apparently we were both typing at the same time and you beat me to the punch. I'm jealous. lol By the way, very well said.


Dude, I was thinking the same thing!
We were definitely "in sync" there. lol
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Reply #10 posted 04/20/05 8:28am

Krystal666

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Are we forgeting in 3 chains of gold there was full bush? HE-LL-OOO!!!! I'm sorry but in this instance Prince comes off as a hypocrite!
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Reply #11 posted 04/20/05 8:56am

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Krystal666 said:

Prince really just comes off as an aging artist who can't pull off the overt sexiness thing so he just starts bitching...


If thats what you believe then why are you here?
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Reply #12 posted 04/20/05 1:08pm

Krystal666

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thedoorkeeper said:

Krystal666 said:

Prince really just comes off as an aging artist who can't pull off the overt sexiness thing so he just starts bitching...


If thats what you believe then why are you here?


Uh...because I love his music. Just because he is my favorite artist does that mean I have to agree with everything he says???
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Reply #13 posted 04/20/05 1:22pm

OdysseyMiles

Krystal666 said:

Are we forgeting in 3 chains of gold there was full bush? HE-LL-OOO!!!! I'm sorry but in this instance Prince comes off as a hypocrite!


You're right, there was nudity in the video. So what? Was full bush all "3 Chains O' Gold" had to offer? Was it all about naked chicks? You're seriously missing the point about what Prince has said about "sexiness".
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Reply #14 posted 04/20/05 1:26pm

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OdysseyMiles said:

Krystal666 said:

Are we forgeting in 3 chains of gold there was full bush? HE-LL-OOO!!!! I'm sorry but in this instance Prince comes off as a hypocrite!


You're right, there was nudity in the video. So what? Was full bush all "3 Chains O' Gold" had to offer? Was it all about naked chicks? You're seriously missing the point about what Prince has said about "sexiness".


No but he sure paved the way for those type of videos!
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Reply #15 posted 04/20/05 1:37pm

OdysseyMiles

Krystal666 said:

OdysseyMiles said:



You're right, there was nudity in the video. So what? Was full bush all "3 Chains O' Gold" had to offer? Was it all about naked chicks? You're seriously missing the point about what Prince has said about "sexiness".


No but he sure paved the way for those type of videos!


Maybe, but those artists are missing the point big time if they don't have anything else to bring to the table.
They've got the booty shakin' and the champagne poppin' down to a science, but they still ain't sayin' a damn thang. That's the difference. Sure, they may be making a quick buck, but I know I won't be bumpin' their tunes 10 years from now. I ain't even bumpin' em' now! lol
I don't think people would complain about today's music so much if more of these "racy" artists had something to say, something to add to the visual.
Most of the time, the song is a direct reflection of the video, or vice versa. If a has chicks shakin' it in the club, chances are, that's all the song is about. If a song has cars and cash flyin' around like a frickin' lottery show, chances are the song is all about having money and material things.
Sure, I can relate to that confused .
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Reply #16 posted 04/20/05 1:37pm

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Krystal666 said:

OdysseyMiles said:



You're right, there was nudity in the video. So what? Was full bush all "3 Chains O' Gold" had to offer? Was it all about naked chicks? You're seriously missing the point about what Prince has said about "sexiness".


No but he sure paved the way for those type of videos!


Oh come on. You're giving Prince a little more credit than he deserves for the current state of today's videos. The evolution of SOCIETY, and its general attitude & acceptance about sex and sexuality paved the way for today's explicit, sex-drenched/obsessed videos - and that involves a LOT more than Prince or even just music. Other forms of art, cinema, fashion, moral trends, etc...they all played a much bigger part in how accepted nudity and sex is in the mainstream than some obscure vid Prince made 10 years ago.

Besides, 3 Chains O' Gold came out when? '94? You think there weren't videos put out by other musical artists (videos obviously not intended for MTV) that didn't feature nudity *before* or at that same point in time?

As others have already pointed out to you, Prince's music has always HAD MORE TO IT THAN JUST THE SEX/SHOCK VALUE. Today's music, generally speaking, relies too greatly on just that and offers nothing else. THAT is what Prince - and many others - are tired of.
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Reply #17 posted 04/20/05 1:47pm

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OdysseyMiles said:

Krystal666 said:



No but he sure paved the way for those type of videos!


Maybe, but those artists are missing the point big time if they don't have anything else to bring to the table.
They've got the booty shakin' and the champagne poppin' down to a science, but they still ain't sayin' a damn thang. That's the difference. Sure, they may be making a quick buck, but I know I won't be bumpin' their tunes 10 years from now. I ain't even bumpin' em' now! lol
I don't think people would complain about today's music so much if more of these "racy" artists had something to say, something to add to the visual.
Most of the time, the song is a direct reflection of the video, or vice versa. If a has chicks shakin' it in the club, chances are, that's all the song is about. If a song has cars and cash flyin' around like a frickin' lottery show, chances are the song is all about having money and material things.
Sure, I can relate to that confused .


Ummm..you do remember the Gangster Glam video right? Or how about the Gett Off video, or how about the Continental...or how about...I mean how deep are those songs???
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Reply #18 posted 04/20/05 2:05pm

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Krystal666 said:


Ummm..you do remember the Gangster Glam video right? Or how about the Gett Off video, or how about the Continental...or how about...I mean how deep are those songs???


Even on songs that are ehem.."less deep?" he still writes, plays, produces, yadda, yadda, yadda, and he actually utilizes methaphor, symbolism, and the human imagination to create.

Also, he has something else to sell besides sex or profanity.
I think thats what the main point is. Take away some current celebrities'
sexy bodies and fancy producers and whats left?

Stale bread neutral
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Reply #19 posted 04/20/05 2:12pm

OdysseyMiles

Krystal666 said:

OdysseyMiles said:



Maybe, but those artists are missing the point big time if they don't have anything else to bring to the table.
They've got the booty shakin' and the champagne poppin' down to a science, but they still ain't sayin' a damn thang. That's the difference. Sure, they may be making a quick buck, but I know I won't be bumpin' their tunes 10 years from now. I ain't even bumpin' em' now! lol
I don't think people would complain about today's music so much if more of these "racy" artists had something to say, something to add to the visual.
Most of the time, the song is a direct reflection of the video, or vice versa. If a has chicks shakin' it in the club, chances are, that's all the song is about. If a song has cars and cash flyin' around like a frickin' lottery show, chances are the song is all about having money and material things.
Sure, I can relate to that confused .



Ummm..you do remember the Gangster Glam video right? Or how about the Gett Off video, or how about the Continental...or how about...I mean how deep are those songs???


You'd be exactly right in your conclusion about Prince IF those were in fact the only kinds of songs he ever recorded. We both know that's not the case.
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Reply #20 posted 04/20/05 2:12pm

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thekidsgirl said:

Krystal666 said:


Ummm..you do remember the Gangster Glam video right? Or how about the Gett Off video, or how about the Continental...or how about...I mean how deep are those songs???


Even on songs that are ehem.."less deep?" he still writes, plays, produces, yadda, yadda, yadda, and he actually utilizes methaphor, symbolism, and the human imagination to create.

Also, he has something else to sell besides sex or profanity.
I think thats what the main point is. Take away some current celebrities'
sexy bodies and fancy producers and whats left?

Stale bread neutral



Exactly. nod

Prince's music, even if the particular song is not "deep", is almost always INTERESTING and has some element to it that makes it clever, or unique, or intelligent or thoughtful or *something*. Im sorry but so many of today's songs all sound formulaic, unimaginative, over-produced and are almost completely forgettable, the 'artist' has no real musical ability and can't do much other than look good and pose, preen and posture in their expensive clothes, and rely too heavily on visual representation to get anywhere - chicks with barely any clothes, the same tired dance moves, bling, etc. BORING.
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Reply #21 posted 04/20/05 4:47pm

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KaleidoscopeEyes said:

thekidsgirl said:



Even on songs that are ehem.."less deep?" he still writes, plays, produces, yadda, yadda, yadda, and he actually utilizes methaphor, symbolism, and the human imagination to create.

Also, he has something else to sell besides sex or profanity.
I think thats what the main point is. Take away some current celebrities'
sexy bodies and fancy producers and whats left?

Stale bread neutral



Exactly. nod

Prince's music, even if the particular song is not "deep", is almost always INTERESTING and has some element to it that makes it clever, or unique, or intelligent or thoughtful or *something*. Im sorry but so many of today's songs all sound formulaic, unimaginative, over-produced and are almost completely forgettable, the 'artist' has no real musical ability and can't do much other than look good and pose, preen and posture in their expensive clothes, and rely too heavily on visual representation to get anywhere - chicks with barely any clothes, the same tired dance moves, bling, etc. BORING.



Yeah, and ten years from now we won't even remember the artists, let alone the songs. The nonsense they are filling the airwaves with aren't even things they actually do. Their songs don't remotely represent who these people truly are. It's just a bunch of reprocessed junk that the Corporate Machine keeps grinding out and trying to force feed us. (Bite Me! Clear Channel)

Prince is sexy! Not just physically, but mentally, emotionally, spiritually, every ounce of him! Sexiness had to be in his music, it's who he is! It wasn't there just for the hell of it. Like it is in today's music.
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Reply #22 posted 04/20/05 4:53pm

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Evidently Prince is trying to grow old with some dignity.


Which is fine, but does it have to be HIM who wags his fngers at the yong un's? You didn't se Mick Jagger preaching to anyone about being proper.

Prince has become those two old men muppets in the balcony. Yes both. And ...and sucking on lemons while in the balcony.
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Reply #23 posted 04/20/05 4:58pm

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Prince has become Tipper Gore. The circle is now complete.
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Reply #24 posted 04/20/05 4:59pm

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DiamondGirl said:

Prince has become those two old men muppets in the balcony. Yes both. And ...and sucking on lemons while in the balcony.



"Damn it Larry move yo' head! I can't see and I think she just flashed a nipple"
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Reply #25 posted 04/20/05 5:02pm

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DiamondGirl said:

Prince has become those two old men muppets in the balcony. Yes both. And ...and sucking on lemons while in the balcony.



"Damn it Larry move yo' head! I can't see and I think she just flashed a nipple"


Hell, it appears that even THEY can still get it up without feeling guilty for it.
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Reply #26 posted 04/21/05 2:49am

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thekidsgirl said:

DiamondGirl said:

Prince has become those two old men muppets in the balcony. Yes both. And ...and sucking on lemons while in the balcony.



"Damn it Larry move yo' head! I can't see and I think she just flashed a nipple"

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Reply #27 posted 04/21/05 2:57am

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On the one hand I do see his point, because it's true that most of the artists nowadays who use sex to sell their product really don't have much else to offer, while Prince has substance to go along with all the sex.

On the other hand, it does also come across as hypocritical. Regardless of how he feels about it now, Prince did help create a pop culture that accepts -even expects -such blatant, in-your-face sexuality. One of his catchphrases he said in damn near every interview last year was (paraphrasing) "I pushed the envelope right off the table and onto the floor. There's nowhere else for it to go."

You said it yourself, P. You were the one who pushed the envelope, who opened the door to what you now perceive as excessive sex. Don't bitch about your monster, Frankenstein, unless you're willing to offer up a solution.
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Reply #28 posted 04/21/05 8:27am

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meow85 said:

On the one hand I do see his point, because it's true that most of the artists nowadays who use sex to sell their product really don't have much else to offer, while Prince has substance to go along with all the sex.

On the other hand, it does also come across as hypocritical. Regardless of how he feels about it now, Prince did help create a pop culture that accepts -even expects -such blatant, in-your-face sexuality. One of his catchphrases he said in damn near every interview last year was (paraphrasing) "I pushed the envelope right off the table and onto the floor. There's nowhere else for it to go."

You said it yourself, P. You were the one who pushed the envelope, who opened the door to what you now perceive as excessive sex. Don't bitch about your monster, Frankenstein, unless you're willing to offer up a solution.



worship You kick ass! biggrin
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Reply #29 posted 04/23/05 2:56pm

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Krystal666 said:

meow85 said:

On the one hand I do see his point, because it's true that most of the artists nowadays who use sex to sell their product really don't have much else to offer, while Prince has substance to go along with all the sex.

On the other hand, it does also come across as hypocritical. Regardless of how he feels about it now, Prince did help create a pop culture that accepts -even expects -such blatant, in-your-face sexuality. One of his catchphrases he said in damn near every interview last year was (paraphrasing) "I pushed the envelope right off the table and onto the floor. There's nowhere else for it to go."

You said it yourself, P. You were the one who pushed the envelope, who opened the door to what you now perceive as excessive sex. Don't bitch about your monster, Frankenstein, unless you're willing to offer up a solution.



worship You kick ass! biggrin


Why thank you! smile
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