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PrintableIts not MY insecurity .....lol, i see people here who tend to 'claim' Prince for his race, and i think thats ridicolous...
He himselve never made a big point of that, in contrary, untill most of his career Prince was all about breaking boundaries and expressing freedom, so why should you? you better give him praise for not being narrowminded... THATS what i am try to say...simple | |
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Yes, of course he has. Little Red Corvette was a deliberate attempt to gain a larger white audience. At that time in American history a large white audience meant propelling your career in ways the black audience couldn't sustain-at least in sheer numbers. Today, a "Black" audience or "White" audience doesn't quite meant he same thing. Rap music, which alot of people would say caters to a "black" audience is primarily bought by white teenage men. But I do feel Prince started to rediscover "his blackness" (whatever that means), around LoveSexy and thereafter. Prince circa, 1984 would never have dreamed of "When will We be Paid" as a single of his anymore than today's Prince would tolerate music videos where only white women are given lead love interest roles. I don't think he was being "Racist" in any of those periods. In the early 80's, it was about reaching the largest audience possible--nowadays, it's about making statements and paying homage to his "roots". Me thinks. | |
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AsianBomb777 said: Yes, of course he has. Little Red Corvette was a deliberate attempt to gain a larger white audience. At that time in American history a large white audience meant propelling your career in ways the black audience couldn't sustain-at least in sheer numbers. Today, a "Black" audience or "White" audience doesn't quite meant he same thing. Rap music, which alot of people would say caters to a "black" audience is primarily bought by white teenage men. But I do feel Prince started to rediscover "his blackness" (whatever that means), around LoveSexy and thereafter. Prince circa, 1984 would never have dreamed of "When will We be Paid" as a single of his anymore than today's Prince would tolerate music videos where only white women are given lead love interest roles. I don't think he was being "Racist" in any of those periods. In the early 80's, it was about reaching the largest audience possible--nowadays, it's about making statements and paying homage to his "roots". Me thinks.  Very Well Said. | |
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oh listen to ATWNAD....j/k I so glad us black folk don't listen to nuthin' but african drums cuz i's show can't stand all dem guitaras. Ya'll need to stop this maddness!!!!! Black folks bought that damn cd and hell, its one of my favs. Stop it ya'll Prince plays music. oh...Prince is Asian, Riverpoet. Just in case you didn't get the lasted memo on Prince's race.  | |
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AsianBomb777 said: Yes, of course he has. Little Red Corvette was a deliberate attempt to gain a larger white audience. At that time in American history a large white audience meant propelling your career in ways the black audience couldn't sustain-at least in sheer numbers. Today, a "Black" audience or "White" audience doesn't quite meant he same thing. Rap music, which alot of people would say caters to a "black" audience is primarily bought by white teenage men. But I do feel Prince started to rediscover "his blackness" (whatever that means), around LoveSexy and thereafter. Prince circa, 1984 would never have dreamed of "When will We be Paid" as a single of his anymore than today's Prince would tolerate music videos where only white women are given lead love interest roles. I don't think he was being "Racist" in any of those periods. In the early 80's, it was about reaching the largest audience possible--nowadays, it's about making statements and paying homage to his "roots". Me thinks. How are you in the position to say that LRC was a "deliberate" attempt to gain a larger white audience? What, in your opinion was Prince attempting to accomplish by creating songs such as "When you were mine"? This is a song on an album that included cuts such as "Head". I see songs such as Little Red Corvette doing well with white audiences, not because Prince manufactured the song to appeal to this particular ethnic group, but because it was a damn good song that simply appealed to many. If anything, the "white audience" that you referred to crossed over to him, rather than Prince making a calculated, deliberate attempt to draw a particular ethnic group. | |
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Rhondab said: oh...Prince is Asian, Riverpoet. Just in case you didn't get the lasted memo on Prince's race.  | |
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MorehouseMan said: AsianBomb777 said: Yes, of course he has. Little Red Corvette was a deliberate attempt to gain a larger white audience. At that time in American history a large white audience meant propelling your career in ways the black audience couldn't sustain-at least in sheer numbers. Today, a "Black" audience or "White" audience doesn't quite meant he same thing. Rap music, which alot of people would say caters to a "black" audience is primarily bought by white teenage men. But I do feel Prince started to rediscover "his blackness" (whatever that means), around LoveSexy and thereafter. Prince circa, 1984 would never have dreamed of "When will We be Paid" as a single of his anymore than today's Prince would tolerate music videos where only white women are given lead love interest roles. I don't think he was being "Racist" in any of those periods. In the early 80's, it was about reaching the largest audience possible--nowadays, it's about making statements and paying homage to his "roots". Me thinks. How are you in the position to say that LRC was a "deliberate" attempt to gain a larger white audience? What, in your opinion was Prince attempting to accomplish by creating songs such as "When you were mine"? This is a song on an album that included cuts such as "Head". I see songs such as Little Red Corvette doing well with white audiences, not because Prince manufactured the song to appeal to this particular ethnic group, but because it was a damn good song that simply appealed to many. If anything, the "white audience" that you referred to crossed over to him, rather than Prince making a calculated, deliberate attempt to draw a particular ethnic group. I don't know much about WHen U were Mine or Dirty Mind in general. LRC used a white status symbol and the tune is definately a cross over tune--maybe by today's standards not--but back when it was released, it was a cross over tune. He's done stylistic things of this nature a few times. U Got The Look was a deliberate attempt to sound like someone else, blah blah blah. The point is, Prince isn't imune to market influences. He will, from time-to-time, cater to a certain audience or demographic, while still making the sound "Prince". I don't think his LRC move was a sellout by any means--It helped propell him to the status that he enjoys now. | |
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AsianBoi777 said: MorehouseMan said: How are you in the position to say that LRC was a "deliberate" attempt to gain a larger white audience? What, in your opinion was Prince attempting to accomplish by creating songs such as "When you were mine"? This is a song on an album that included cuts such as "Head". I see songs such as Little Red Corvette doing well with white audiences, not because Prince manufactured the song to appeal to this particular ethnic group, but because it was a damn good song that simply appealed to many. If anything, the "white audience" that you referred to crossed over to him, rather than Prince making a calculated, deliberate attempt to draw a particular ethnic group. I don't know much about WHen U were Mine or Dirty Mind in general. LRC used a white status symbol and the tune is definately a cross over tune--maybe by today's standards not--but back when it was released, it was a cross over tune. He's done stylistic things of this nature a few times. U Got The Look was a deliberate attempt to sound like someone else, blah blah blah. The point is, Prince isn't imune to market influences. He will, from time-to-time, cater to a certain audience or demographic, while still making the sound "Prince". I don't think his LRC move was a sellout by any means--It helped propell him to the status that he enjoys now. my daughters father drove a silver corvette....that's why I lovedededd him so much | |
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Rhondab said: AsianBoi777 said: I don't know much about WHen U were Mine or Dirty Mind in general. LRC used a white status symbol and the tune is definately a cross over tune--maybe by today's standards not--but back when it was released, it was a cross over tune. He's done stylistic things of this nature a few times. U Got The Look was a deliberate attempt to sound like someone else, blah blah blah. The point is, Prince isn't imune to market influences. He will, from time-to-time, cater to a certain audience or demographic, while still making the sound "Prince". I don't think his LRC move was a sellout by any means--It helped propell him to the status that he enjoys now. my daughters father drove a silver corvette....that's why I lovedededd him so much That's great. I'm a hung asian. [Edited 4/27/05 17:40pm] | |
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AsianBomb777 said: I don't think he was being "Racist" in any of those periods. In the early 80's, it was about reaching the largest audience possible--nowadays, it's about making statements and paying homage to his "roots". Me thinks. Me thinks, too! 
That was basically what I was trying to say as well. "Are you my Caucasian?" - L.D. | |
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Hotlegs said: EvilWhiteMale said: I woulnd't mind so much if he had at least one good album every 5 years. But that's not even happening. I feel what your saying Evil baby. Prince has got to damn lazy over years and thats why we won't probably see a kick ass album from him. Furthermore, I must add that too many of his fans are not as honest as you an I and continue to kiss his ass even when his material sucks major ass.BTW, sometimes Prince's new materials (at least certain one) sucks major ass/arse because they lack THE all important element that really made him the artist that we once knew as Prince: Synthesizers!!!!  | |
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Hotlegs said: Riverpoet31 said: Hotlegs: can you explain to me why you are thinking that?
You 'want' him to be a black person?  Both of Prince parents were Black. So what the big fucking deal about everybody worrying about what race Prince is? Personally, I really could give two shits at the end of the day. Basically, I wonder why individuals like yourself are obsessed with race Riverpoet? Please explain your insecurity with race?I hear ya! For years, I, myself, used to think that Prince was biracial simply because Prince used to lead people to believe it in the early days. It was another factor that contributed to his mystery. Around 1985, I saw a picture of his father and he was black. It wasn't until the late 1990s, that I saw a picture of his mother and she was black also. I was like....."Oh well....big deal". The fact that a lot of people refuse to accept that Prince is black, proves that racism still exists and it can even be found deeply hidden in some people that claim to be so "liberal". Andy is a four letter word. | |
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TonyVanDam said: Hotlegs said: I feel what your saying Evil baby. Prince has got to damn lazy over years and thats why we won't probably see a kick ass album from him. Furthermore, I must add that too many of his fans are not as honest as you an I and continue to kiss his ass even when his material sucks major ass.BTW, sometimes Prince's new materials (at least certain one) sucks major ass/arse because they lack THE all important element that really made him the artist that we once knew as Prince: Synthesizers!!!! I hear ya dammitt! His music ain't never been as strong since he slacked up off those synths.  Andy is a four letter word. | |
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AsianBoi777 said: Rhondab said: my daughters father drove a silver corvette....that's why I lovedededd him so much That's great. I'm a hung asian. [Edited 4/27/05 17:40pm] OMG...you lie!! That's not possible....is it? Show me..... | |
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Rhondab said: what is the quickiest way to kill myself?
oh listen to ATWNAD....j/k I so glad us black folk don't listen to nuthin' but african drums cuz i's show can't stand all dem guitaras. Ya'll need to stop this maddness!!!!! Black folks bought that damn cd and hell, its one of my favs. Stop it ya'll Prince plays music. oh...Prince is Asian, Riverpoet. Just in case you didn't get the lasted memo on Prince's race.  The Normal Whores Club | |
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Yes, now he is catering to the black audience. (IMHO) He has to, because no matter where the money's at, an artist/performer/whatever can't alienate themselves from their own people for too long. It just doesn't work without that foundational support.
Now about which album/CD did best with which group I haven't a clue. Personally, I liked ATWIAD and Parade and a host of others, and I HATED/HATE the Black Album. I have always loved him because he does create whatever he feels like creating...  ...including the rave stuff. | |
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The truth is if people put more emphasis on what connects us, as what seperates us, we might get a bit further on this world maybe....
Music isnt about 'race' or 'etnicity', looking at music (or all other cultural expressions) is only contraproductive in my opinion. I have much respect for artists like NERD, David Byrne, Living Colour, Bjork, Peter Gabriel, Fishbone and....Prince.. who just try to create good music, and use influences from all windcorners.... I mean, whats the use of Chuck D dissing Elvis? or some redneck country singer defending the american flag..? | |
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I'm not a fan of affirmative action, but I liked it when he had a balaned group. "You need people like me so you can point your fuckin' fingers and say, "That's the bad guy." "
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Evil white male, i must admit your a sweet, not dangerous but charming puppy... | |
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vainandy said: I hear ya dammitt! His music ain't never been as strong since he slacked up off those synths. Hell Yeah! | |
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Riverpoet31 said: Evil white male, i must admit your a sweet, not dangerous but charming puppy...
 River, I can tell by that comment you must be a newbie and don't know Evil like I do.  | |
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He is a dangerous as a puppy, cool on the outside, sentimental on the inside...
Geeze....i walk around on this earth for 31 years, know alot about life, and Evil white males are temporalily isues... that simple it is | |
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Riverpoet31 said: He is a dangerous as a puppy, cool on the outside, sentimental on the inside...
Geeze....i walk around on this earth for 31 years, You 31 years nothing compared to my more than 31 years of life expereinces. Not all orgers are young teenagers. [Edited 4/28/05 16:25pm] | |
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vainandy said: I definately think so. Every, and I mean every black person I knew at the time was extremely pissed with "Around In The World In A Day" and furious with "Parade" and most of them dropped him after that. The white people I knew were not cool with it either but they could tolerate it more.
I understand that Prince has always been versitile in his music but the earlier rock style music was at least appealing to his black listeners. The work he did beginning with "Around The World In A Day", except for particular songs, was only appealing to a fraction of the long time fans that loved his music. Another thing that pissed many black people off was the timing of the whole thing. Prince waited until after the huge major crossover success of "Purple Rain" to completely change his style. He wasn't crazy. Had he released an album like "Around The World In A Day" or "Parade" when the majority of his listeners were black and he didn't have a large white pop audience to fall back on, he would have been tossed to the side and never even made it to the point of making a big success like "Purple Rain". Apparently it must have bothered him because then he comes up with "The Black Album". Even if it had been released when it was supposed to, the majority of his long time black fans weren't going to like this album. It was funk but it was not the type of funk they loved Prince for. Then he starts trying to get back some of the black audience by adding rap and hip hop to his music. This is when a lot of the white fans started feeling alienated. This wasn't working with the black fans either because they were an age group that didn't like rap, so he started picking up even more new fans. Whether Prince meant to do it or not, he alienated both sides at some time in his career. This was definetly me. The last vinyl I bought was ATWIAD. I did go see the movie Under the Cherry Moon. That nailed it shut for me. I didn't open that coffin for about 10 years. "Remember, one man's filler is another man's killer" -- Haystack | |
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Riverpoet31 said: He is a dangerous as a puppy, cool on the outside, sentimental on the inside...
Geeze....i walk around on this earth for 31 years, know alot about life, and Evil white males are temporalily isues... that simple it is  "You need people like me so you can point your fuckin' fingers and say, "That's the bad guy." "
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Riverpoet31 said: The truth is if people put more emphasis on what connects us, as what seperates us, we might get a bit further on this world maybe....
Music isnt about 'race' or 'etnicity', looking at music (or all other cultural expressions) is only contraproductive in my opinion. EXACTLY. prince has the right to say what he likes but imo some of his recent lyrics have been pretty divisive | |
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XxAxX said: Riverpoet31 said: The truth is if people put more emphasis on what connects us, as what seperates us, we might get a bit further on this world maybe....
Music isnt about 'race' or 'etnicity', looking at music (or all other cultural expressions) is only contraproductive in my opinion. EXACTLY. prince has the right to say what he likes but imo some of his recent lyrics have been pretty divisive but isn't music about expressing of what you feel, think and experience. So prince can never talk about race because some deem it divisive? Prince is a black man. I'm sure that he has experienced everything dealing with being short, in love, out of love, living in the midwest, etc including being black. Race doesn't separate if you understand and at least respect the experience of that person if they are expressing their rage, happiness, love, confusion that may come from being from a different culture, gender, race, etc. People are so busy trying to be colorblind that they blind themselves to sharing in the experiences of another. | |
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Rhondab said: People are so busy trying to be colorblind that they blind themselves to sharing in the experiences of another.
I want to put this on T-shirts, billboards...and some people's foreheads. The Normal Whores Club | |
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XxAxX said: Riverpoet31 said: The truth is if people put more emphasis on what connects us, as what seperates us, we might get a bit further on this world maybe....
Music isnt about 'race' or 'etnicity', looking at music (or all other cultural expressions) is only contraproductive in my opinion. EXACTLY. prince has the right to say what he likes but imo some of his recent lyrics have been pretty divisive | |
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