rudeboynpg said:

wtf? chill out with the pics!

Good for Mani and Prince if they have a baby, but who the hell cares if they don't. Plenty of beatiful and brilliant people don't feel the need. I felt sad for him when his and Mayte's baby passed away. That's it.
People have asked me about me Prince. It's not that important, let the music do the talking. Kids have no guarantee of talent passing down. And kids don't people obsessing about them.

rudeboynpg said:

who the hell did that? lol...

klhk said:

What a fucked up thread.

TheOrgerFormerlyKnownAs said:

Why? Is it the abnormal subject matter or the f'ed up pics? Cause they are f'ed up ya know!

AsianBoi777 said:

OH SHIT DUDE! That aint right homie

I just realized that he has slave written on his face. LOL
[Edited 3/31/05 20:31pm]

7lovesymbol7 said:

The subject matter isn't abnormal, it's typical here. BUT, just imagine YOU were him, you had lost a child, folks keep bringing the subject up which is WAY fucking personal. etc., all while under the guise of love and respect for the man as a musician but yet gossiping about his very personal life. Just bugs me is all. Carry on.

TheOrgerFormerlyKnownAs said:

Handsclaps feels that way too. I very seriously doubt Prince reads this forum or I wouldn't post such personal stuff. I totally would want to respect the pain that he went through losing his child. I know it's kind of personal and a bit wierd, but isn't it wierd that we all spend countless hours at our computers talking about Prince. I mean really, is this healthy? One thing about it is there is no guise. I do love and respect Prince and that's why I brought it up. Like I told handsclaps, it's just some subject matter for us totally obsessed Prince fans. I mean nothing more by it, but I respect your opinion. Thanks

TheOrgerFormerlyKnownAs said:

wrong

Shorty said:

Hey shorty. Whaddya mean?

TheOrgerFormerlyKnownAs said:

I can only speak for myself but I know that when this subject matter comes up..it is of general love, respect and concern for Prince....No guise! I was kinda offended by that statement actually

Shorty said:

I didn't mean to offend you or anyone else. I just don't think this is a respectful topic when we don't know this person on a personal level and I feel this is none of our business.

Shorty said:

I wonder if Prince ever feels offended by total strangers (fans, yes. But still strangers who do not "know" him as a person) discussing and speculating about such a personal and intimate part of his life such as his childbearing/parental status - especially in light of the tragedy of what happened with his child with Mayte.

I think it would be creepy and bizarre to know people who don't have a real clue about what goes on in 98% of my life - my PERSONAL life - discussing and proferring opinions (as if they have some kind of legitimate basis to eveb make such opinions) on if I will or won't ever have a child, or if it's "a shame" that I don't have a child, or anything pertaining to my reproductive life and how that affects my life as a whole.

If I didn't know someone well enough so that TO THEIR FACE I'd start in asking them about why they haven't yet had kids and informing them how "sad" it is they haven't yet reproduced, etc etc, I would certainly think that person would find it creepy and not my place to be remarking on such a personal issue. I know this is just a message board but sometimes the things I read really make me wonder about the mindset of some fans and how much they think they truly "know" their idol. I wonder how many of them would say to Prince's face how shameful or sad it is he hasn't had another child or tell him what a waste of his genes it is not to have one soon. Prince would likely be very freaked out to have a total stranger say those type of things to him. Heck, if a *relative* started saying those things, most people would be put out and offended.

Sometims I wonder if many of the people who make certain remarks about Prince not having children or how he "should" have them, or about what a "shame" it is he doens't have any are people who, themselves, have children (usually rather new parents) and feel anybody who doesn't have kids is living empty, unfulfilled lives because they've not yet experienced the joy of procreation. lol

KaleidoscopeEyes said:

I agree with most of this.

KaleidoscopeEyes said:

considering the dude who started the thread said himself he had no children I guess your theory would be wrong.
by the way you made it sound...sure...Prince probably would be "very freaked out" but if he reads the actual post that started this...I'm guessing he might take it as the compliment it was. You are making just as many assumtions about someone you don't know either so...your point is weak.

TheOrgerFormerlyKnownAs said:

I wasn't really offended...just kinda
I hear what your saying..and I have seen disrepectful threads on this very topic...but I don't think this is one of them. Just my thoughts though...

Shorty said:

Which is why in my earlier post I specifically said "MANY of the people" who make certain remarks on Prince's reproductive life. "Many" is not an all-inclusive word. And I still say many of the folks who give opinions on others' childbearing or parental status are people who are parents themselves, and who think everybody needs to also experience the thrill of procreation.



I did that on purpose. It's rather irritating when folks who don't know you or your life or who you REALLY are make assumptions about you, your motivations or reasons behind some aspect of your life, or your life in general, ain't it?
[Edited 4/1/05 10:44am]

KaleidoscopeEyes said:

weak

Shorty said:

Whatever you say.

I think my point was made and you just don't like it or agree with it. That's okay.

KaleidoscopeEyes said:

no, I don't believe you "did that on purpose" at all...I think my point was valid and that was your escape.
I have no problem with disagreeing with someone's point...at all...so..once again..weak argument

Wow! I had no idea what a controversy I would stir up when I started this. I am very glad that some people understand where I'm coming from. It comes down to one thing: Prince is my hero. I love and respect what I know of him which I have interpreted from his music, interviews and from readings. I would never mention this to Prince to his face (only for fear of him taking it wrong, and rightfully so), but how many topics are brought up every day that we wouldn't dare bring up in a conversation with Prince. Maybe everyone is defensive because of the way this has been discussed in the past, but as Shorty said in my defense I mean this as a compliment. For those of you who feel that this is too personal, I'm sorry, but I would post it again because I have only the best intentions with it.

Shorty said:

You know, Shorty, you can believe anything you'd like.

The fact is, when I wrote what I did in my earlier comment and reread it before posting it, I totally recognized that I was making assumptions and pretty much figured you'd call me on it. I almost erased and rewrote my post at that point but then figured it'd be a good way to make my point if I left it as is. Don't believe me about that if you don't want, I don't really care. Doesn't change my life or the truth of the situation.

But I am intelligent enough to use forethought in regards to (most of) what I write online when I'm engaging in a discussion or debate and try to see where others might call me on something or where holes in my position may be, as I said, I pretty much figured you'd claim I was being a hypocrite and making assumptions(and I was. ) and I left my post the way it was for the sake of proving a point.

And I say again - it's irritating when people who don't know you make assumptions about things about you & your life that they don't know the full facts about, or when people you don't know feel they have the authority to speak on or about intimate, personal aspects of other people lives. Which is my stance on people gossiping and making weird opinions or remarks about Prince's reproductive life.


[Edited 4/1/05 11:26am]

KaleidoscopeEyes said:

This post http://www.prince.org/msg...sg_2396628 has kaleidescope discussing Prince and Mayte's failed marriage and making assumptions about the reasons for the failure and even mentions the death of their son. I guess all of that isn't as personal as this compliment I was trying to pay. I'm sorry kaleidescope but don't be a hypocrite. Once again, we are all here to talk about Prince.

KaleidoscopeEyes said:

Shorty said:

7lovesymbol7 said:

I was hardly being a hypocrite on that thread. I think you need to reread my TWO posts on that thread and point out to me where I was "discussing Prince and Mayte's failed marriage" and where I made assumptions for the the failure of their marriage. My one post on that thread was basically nothing more than a link to a recent study on the failure of marriages after the death of a child and how in the past the statistics for that were reached in a very unscientific way.

As for my mentioning the death of their son on that thread...um, that's a FACT. Sadly, their son did pass away due to birth defects.

However, I did not speculate on if that caused their marriage to fail, I did not say anything other than what was posted on Prince's old website about the use of fingernail polish and eating cheese causing birth defects "SEEMED" to be directed at Mayte.

I do not think what I wrote on that thread in any way goes against what I'm saying on this thread, nor does it cause me to be a hypocrite.

Sheesh.

Shorty said:[quote]

KaleidoscopeEyes said:

I think a fact is that you don't know how to properly quote on a message board.

Prince does have a child, and always will for eternity!

KaleidoscopeEyes said:

Don't be offended!