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PurpleKnight

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Chaos & Disorder-Prince's most misunderstood gem.

This album gets panned almost as much as the awful NPS, and I just don't get that.

This album is a raw, bitter, angry, passionate gem of a pure rock album.

Chaos and Disorder-A great opener that effectively introduces you to Prince's frustrations with the current scene at the time. The anger felt in the chorus is great.

I Like It There-This...song...rocks! This is a classic Prince rock song. Full of sexual energy and with a great hook and flow to it.

Dinner With Delores-Very lyrically clever, with a great melody. You can just feel the bitterness oozing out of this song. Incredibly catchy little song.

The Same December-This song has such life to it! The chorus is so full of energy and passion, you can't help but move your head to it. Addictively fun and rebellious.

Right The Wrong-Not many like this song, but I think it's another well-crafted song that's really catchy. Very melodic.

Zannalee-This song is a bluesy rock classic. Great stuff.

I Rock, Therefore I Am-Very disappointing for sure. It's got a killer bassline and really attitude filled lyrics, but all the rapping just tarnishes it completely.

Into The Light-A beautifully enchanting ballad.

I Will-I love the way it continues from Into The Light. Also, this song is so gentle, it's like the soft caress of a lover. Very subtle, inspiring strength in it too that can be applied to anyone's struggle.

Dig U Better Dead-A little repetitive, but enjoyable enough. At least the passion is there.

Had U-A perfect closer to this album. A chilling, hurt-filled message set to wonderfully haunting, ominous background music.


What I really love about this album overall is the great flow to it. It's not just a random collection of songs. It truly is a cohesive work. All the songs blend together well and make sense within their place on the tracklisting.

It also has great guitar all throughout it, and most importantly, you can hear just how much Prince believes in what he's saying on this album. He truly put his heart into this. Plus, it's one of his few 90's albums that isn't the least bit overproduced.

It's a great album to play when you're in a real "fuck you!" mood.
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Reply #1 posted 03/12/05 5:02pm

OnionJuice

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I understood it sucked.
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Reply #2 posted 03/12/05 5:07pm

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I play it all the time.
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Reply #3 posted 03/12/05 5:12pm

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Chaos And Disorder rocks!! headbang nod
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Reply #4 posted 03/12/05 5:40pm

monte

it rocks for sure!!!

it would rock ten fold if, I rock therefore and Dig you better dead didn't exist
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Reply #5 posted 03/12/05 6:50pm

GottaLetitgo

Chaos is a lazy lazy record. From the piss pour cover art to the half thought- out songs, I think it is obvious these are just songs that P was messing around with. The songs were not intended for the public for a reason---because they either weren't finished or shouldn't have been started. "I Rock..." makes "Jughead" seem funky. "Dinner with Delores" may have the dumbest lyrics of any Prince song (even though I like the music and wish it was attached to a better song). And "Right the Wrong" may be one of the worst songs P ever had any connection with. It's popular to hate this album for a reason...because for most, this album is a sign of uglier times. It's contract filler; it's an f.u. to the record company but its also an f.u. to the fans. If he didn't care enough to make an album for public consumption, why should we have cared enough to consume it?
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Reply #6 posted 03/12/05 7:31pm

thebige

PurpleKnight said:

This album gets panned almost as much as the awful NPS, and I just don't get that.

This album is a raw, bitter, angry, passionate gem of a pure rock album.

Chaos and Disorder-A great opener that effectively introduces you to Prince's frustrations with the current scene at the time. The anger felt in the chorus is great.

I Like It There-This...song...rocks! This is a classic Prince rock song. Full of sexual energy and with a great hook and flow to it.

Dinner With Delores-Very lyrically clever, with a great melody. You can just feel the bitterness oozing out of this song. Incredibly catchy little song.

The Same December-This song has such life to it! The chorus is so full of energy and passion, you can't help but move your head to it. Addictively fun and rebellious.

Right The Wrong-Not many like this song, but I think it's another well-crafted song that's really catchy. Very melodic.

Zannalee-This song is a bluesy rock classic. Great stuff.

I Rock, Therefore I Am-Very disappointing for sure. It's got a killer bassline and really attitude filled lyrics, but all the rapping just tarnishes it completely.

Into The Light-A beautifully enchanting ballad.

I Will-I love the way it continues from Into The Light. Also, this song is so gentle, it's like the soft caress of a lover. Very subtle, inspiring strength in it too that can be applied to anyone's struggle.

Dig U Better Dead-A little repetitive, but enjoyable enough. At least the passion is there.

Had U-A perfect closer to this album. A chilling, hurt-filled message set to wonderfully haunting, ominous background music.


What I really love about this album overall is the great flow to it. It's not just a random collection of songs. It truly is a cohesive work. All the songs blend together well and make sense within their place on the tracklisting.

It also has great guitar all throughout it, and most importantly, you can hear just how much Prince believes in what he's saying on this album. He truly put his heart into this. Plus, it's one of his few 90's albums that isn't the least bit overproduced.

It's a great album to play when you're in a real "fuck you!" mood.



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Reply #7 posted 03/12/05 7:36pm

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OnionJuice said:

I understood it sucked.


lol lol

Actually I think that title is already taken by "Come" - THAT is a good album & often shat on mad
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Reply #8 posted 03/12/05 7:45pm

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I understand it sucked cause Prince was a WB slave. So, he gave them an album(s) that he tricked them into to thinking was "quality", so they wouldnt think it was a jibberish compilation and not release it.

I acutally like "Come" a whole lot more than "Choas..."
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Reply #9 posted 03/12/05 9:03pm

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PurpleKnight said:

[color=mediumpurple]This album gets panned almost as much as the awful NPS, and I just don't get that.



It's the shitty rapping sprinkled throughout the album that ruin it for me. Well that and Right The Wrong... crap song.
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Reply #10 posted 03/13/05 9:02am

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Ifsixwuz9 said:

PurpleKnight said:

This album gets panned almost as much as the awful NPS, and I just don't get that.



It's the shitty rapping sprinkled throughout the album that ruin it for me. Well that and Right The Wrong... crap song.


What rapping is there besides in I Rock...?
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Reply #11 posted 03/13/05 9:21am

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woot!

Chaos rocks.
Fuck the funk - it's time to ditch the worn-out Vegas horns fills, pick up the geee-tar and finally ROCK THE MUTHA-FUCKER!! He hinted at this on Chaos, now it's time to step up and fully DELIVER!!
woot!
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Reply #12 posted 03/13/05 9:25am

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muirdo said:

woot!

Chaos rocks.



I totally agree - Take out ' I rock' which makes me very ill, and it's very good indeed.

I like the fact that it sounds like a mish mash of f'O's to warner. I bet they hated it, cuz it was so not what they wanted. lol lol lol
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Reply #13 posted 03/13/05 9:48am

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its aight...

sad that prince got his fans involved in the whole wb fiasco...i wonder if anyone has ever called him on that...


it was just a pathetic thing to do.....
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Reply #14 posted 03/13/05 10:00am

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I don't think it's one of his better albums but it definitely doesn't deserve all the hate it gets in my opinion. It's a rockin' album!

the title track and Same December are my favorites!
It's goin' down y'all.
Like the wall o' Berlin!
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Reply #15 posted 03/13/05 10:18am

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GottaLetitgo said:

Chaos is a lazy lazy record.

I don't see any proof of that on the album. I'd hardly call the energy and passion in songs like The Same December or I Like It There "lazy". Nor would I call heartfelt songs like I Will or Had U "lazy" in any way.

From the piss pour cover art to the half thought- out songs, I think it is obvious these are just songs that P was messing around with.

I actually like the cover art. The smears of blood everywhere conveys Prince's anger at the time. Plus, those little shots of things like the needle with a dollar bill stuffed in it and the burning roses is cool and effective.

The songs were not intended for the public for a reason---because they either weren't finished or shouldn't have been started.

I think the songs sound rough and raw, and I think that's their charm. They're raw, rough, angry, rock out songs.


"I Rock..." makes "Jughead" seem funky.

The rapping all over it ruins it, but the song still has a killer bassline, and is nowhere near as embarassing or pointless as Jughead.

"Dinner with Delores" may have the dumbest lyrics of any Prince song (even though I like the music and wish it was attached to a better song).

Well, aside from the brontasaurus (sp?) line, I think the lyrics are actually quite interesting in the way it details his career. I think it's a clever allegory.

And "Right the Wrong" may be one of the worst songs P ever had any connection with.

Oh come on, there's no way this song belongs with shit like Arms of Orion or Hot Wit U. The chorus has a nice flow to it.

It's popular to hate this album for a reason...because for most, this album is a sign of uglier times.

It may have been an uglier time, but it created an album of passionate, attitude-filled, heartfelt music.

It's contract filler; it's an f.u. to the record company but its also an f.u. to the fans. If he didn't care enough to make an album for public consumption, why should we have cared enough to consume it?


It was just an f.u. to WB, not his fans. I just see it as an incredibly fun, fascinating look at his inner anger, bitterness and hurt towards WB and music in general. The good thing is that it's accessible to be applied to anyone's problems when they're really angry. Songs like I Will and Had U are so easily relateable when you feel hurt or bitter.
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Reply #16 posted 03/13/05 10:32am

gsh

All this business about the album being only tracks "meant for private listening" and a FU to WB is bollocks. Zanalee and The Same December were definitely slated for release at one time - videos were made for these tracks in 94/95. If not for WB not allowing Prince to release albums as often as he liked and in a configuration of his choosing (2/3 cd) those two tracks would definitely have seen the light of day earlier.
The main problem with C&D is that some of the songs sat around for too long and Prince ended up overproducing them due to his inability to leave well enough alone - much the same fate as Come. The tracks from 93-96 that I have heard in their pre-release versions are much better than the versions that ended up being released. It could have been a solid rock album if it wasn't so saturated in production (poxy sirens and voiceover in Zanalee being the prime example).
Oh, plus I Rock.. and Dig U .. are awful and out of place on the album.
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Reply #17 posted 03/13/05 10:36am

PurpleKnight

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gsh said:

All this business about the album being only tracks "meant for private listening" and a FU to WB is bollocks. Zanalee and The Same December were definitely slated for release at one time - videos were made for these tracks in 94/95. If not for WB not allowing Prince to release albums as often as he liked and in a configuration of his choosing (2/3 cd) those two tracks would definitely have seen the light of day earlier.
The main problem with C&D is that some of the songs sat around for too long and Prince ended up overproducing them due to his inability to leave well enough alone - much the same fate as Come. The tracks from 93-96 that I have heard in their pre-release versions are much better than the versions that ended up being released. It could have been a solid rock album if it wasn't so saturated in production (poxy sirens and voiceover in Zanalee being the prime example).
Oh, plus I Rock.. and Dig U .. are awful and out of place on the album.


I think the little sirens and stuff just convey the effect of "chaos and disorder" that is the album's main theme. At least there's no Kirky J drum programming or glossy sound to the songs.
The world is a comedy for those who think and a tragedy for those who feel.

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Reply #18 posted 03/13/05 11:48am

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When this CD first came out I totally thought it sucked until people here on the org. had me give it another try. I'm glad I did. I really like it and it deserves another listen 2 by those who do not like it. C&D is a cool rock song that I appreciate more 2day than yesterday. wink
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Reply #19 posted 03/13/05 12:05pm

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I like it !
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Reply #20 posted 03/13/05 12:12pm

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muirdo said:

woot!

Chaos rocks.


Choas crack-rocks.
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Reply #21 posted 03/13/05 12:13pm

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I think C&D is a very enjoyable Prince record, although certainly not his best.
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Reply #22 posted 03/13/05 12:31pm

RazzBeret

I love the lyrics in the title track.
Love the instrumentals in Dinner with Delores.
Love everything in The Same December.
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Reply #23 posted 03/13/05 12:56pm

Octavius

gsh said:

All this business about the album being only tracks "meant for private listening" and a FU to WB is bollocks. Zanalee and The Same December were definitely slated for release at one time - videos were made for these tracks in 94/95. If not for WB not allowing Prince to release albums as often as he liked and in a configuration of his choosing (2/3 cd) those two tracks would definitely have seen the light of day earlier.
The main problem with C&D is that some of the songs sat around for too long and Prince ended up overproducing them due to his inability to leave well enough alone - much the same fate as Come. The tracks from 93-96 that I have heard in their pre-release versions are much better than the versions that ended up being released. It could have been a solid rock album if it wasn't so saturated in production (poxy sirens and voiceover in Zanalee being the prime example).
Oh, plus I Rock.. and Dig U .. are awful and out of place on the album.

Absolutely! You've hit the proverbial nail on the head, gsh.
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Reply #24 posted 03/13/05 2:13pm

pumpkin71

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I understood it sucked.



Negative. It had some definite hits on it.But never got airplay. confused
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Reply #25 posted 03/13/05 2:59pm

Pagey

PurpleKnight said:

This album gets panned almost as much as the awful NPS, and I just don't get that.

This album is a raw, bitter, angry, passionate gem of a pure rock album.

Chaos and Disorder-A great opener that effectively introduces you to Prince's frustrations with the current scene at the time. The anger felt in the chorus is great.

I Like It There-This...song...rocks! This is a classic Prince rock song. Full of sexual energy and with a great hook and flow to it.

Dinner With Delores-Very lyrically clever, with a great melody. You can just feel the bitterness oozing out of this song. Incredibly catchy little song.

The Same December-This song has such life to it! The chorus is so full of energy and passion, you can't help but move your head to it. Addictively fun and rebellious.

Right The Wrong-Not many like this song, but I think it's another well-crafted song that's really catchy. Very melodic.

Zannalee-This song is a bluesy rock classic. Great stuff.

I Rock, Therefore I Am-Very disappointing for sure. It's got a killer bassline and really attitude filled lyrics, but all the rapping just tarnishes it completely.

Into The Light-A beautifully enchanting ballad.

I Will-I love the way it continues from Into The Light. Also, this song is so gentle, it's like the soft caress of a lover. Very subtle, inspiring strength in it too that can be applied to anyone's struggle.

Dig U Better Dead-A little repetitive, but enjoyable enough. At least the passion is there.

Had U-A perfect closer to this album. A chilling, hurt-filled message set to wonderfully haunting, ominous background music.


What I really love about this album overall is the great flow to it. It's not just a random collection of songs. It truly is a cohesive work. All the songs blend together well and make sense within their place on the tracklisting.

It also has great guitar all throughout it, and most importantly, you can hear just how much Prince believes in what he's saying on this album. He truly put his heart into this. Plus, it's one of his few 90's albums that isn't the least bit overproduced.

It's a great album to play when you're in a real "fuck you!" mood.


I always liked this album too. I love it when he rocks out...and the 1st half of the album is pretty rockin'. Awesome flow imo. It was a nice departure after all the bloatedness of the Symbol and Gold Era (even tho Gold Experience is awesome too). Its short, angry, and has great guitar on it. I don't know how any fan of Prince could hate I Like It There, Had U, or Same December. It's not one of his best, but its not near one of his worst.
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Reply #26 posted 03/13/05 3:23pm

PurpleMusiq8

Amen to that. Chaos is definitely misunderstood. As a matter of fact, it's my favorite Prince album (and I have been a fan for a long while, so don't let the date of my registration fool you) and one of the two that I actually listen to daily and carry around with my in my CD carrier, along with Dirty Mind.

I bought the album after I saw the video/heard the song Zannalee on Housequake, and checked it out on Amazon. Sounded like a killer rock record to me, and I wasn't disappointed. I tell you, on my first listen to the entire CD, I was loving it. Every single track was configured just right, and the flow of the album was effortless, and the feeling and passion was all there.

The title track is a slamming opener to any rock album, complete with some awesome drumming and screaming. I Like It There is another great song. Dinner With Delores, even with the brontosaurus line, has some level of rock sophistication to it, atop a floaty melody. The Same December is my favorite song, because it seemlessly crosses genres within the 3-4 it plays; it starts off as a rock opera-esque song, builds up some momentum, and goes straight into a classic, folk-rock chorus through and through until it turns bluesy in the end. I love it! Right The Wrong I wasn't digging at first, but when the chorus came blasting, I was hooked. Really catchy. Zannalee was the track that turned me on... some classic blues wah-wah guitar work on here. I Rock... has a solid bassline and a catchy verse/chorus to it, and although I can't always understand what it being said in the raps, I still love it. At this point, this album is banging, but then it tones down with Into The Light and I Will, and even though these songs feature sensitive piano playing and high-pitched singing, they still seem to blend with the other songs. And you can't say that Into The Light isn't one of the most beautiful ballads Prince has ever written. A lot of people don't like Dig U Better Dead, but that synth-bass melody is intoxicating and the song is quite catchy, and finally Had U leaves a brilliant touch to the whole album. A truly haunting song that stays with you even when the CD has stopped.

This is why Chaos And Disorder is my favorite Prince album... over Purple Rain, LoveSexy, Parade, Sign O' The Times (although it's in my top 3), etc. It's the kind of Prince you wouldn't expect because it's so much darker and harder sounding than anything he has ever done (like Come and Gold, which is why my favorite era was 94-96) but at the same time, it's the same Prince you'd come to love. This is actually the first album I bought for a friend who is just getting into Prince. He heard a lot of Purple Rain stuff and saw the Sign O' The Times movie and the Rave DVD and kept hearing about Prince all last year. He likes a lot of metalcore music and hard stuff, and he asked me what kind of Prince to get. I told him anything between 94-96 is pretty cool, and I picked this up one day in the store thinking about him. He told me the next day he loved it, because he'd never think Prince could ever do something like this. He thought Prince was just that androgynous guy who wore heels all the time and danced around and screamed. But he said he loved the guitar work and is now hooked on Prince.
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Reply #27 posted 03/13/05 3:34pm

PurpleMusiq8

...and on the subject of the "piss awful" cover... at least it looks better than that God damned contraction that looks like Musicology. I mean, a brick background, vines or barbed wire or whatever the hell it is and an oversized picture of Prince's head... yeah, that's something I want to buy.
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Reply #28 posted 03/13/05 3:38pm

eccotides

/\ Funny, I had the same reaction. lol

Chaos and Disorder is definitely an interesting album - Occassionally surpassing the heights over The Gold Experience, but that's the one problem - C&D hits just as often as it misses for me.

It's still a really nifty and distinct album though - I listen to it a lot.
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Reply #29 posted 03/13/05 3:57pm

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PurpleMusiq8 said:

...which is why my favorite era was 94-96...





I like you PurpleMusiq8.




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