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Reply #30 posted 03/13/05 4:04pm

PurpleMusiq8

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I like you PurpleMusiq8.


lol. Your favorite era too?

Seriously, Come was really dark and like a vortex, it just sucked you in, and The Black Album was extremely dirty and funky. The Gold Experience could've been really commercial, because of things like Endorphinmachine and Gold, and it kicks ass, and Chaos for the things I mentioned already. Well, I guess the whole 94-96 thing stops in early 96, because I have Emancipation, but it kinda fell short for me and is too damn soft and lovey-dovey on Mayte's part. But the rest of this era lives forever.
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Reply #31 posted 03/13/05 4:46pm

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thebige said:

PurpleKnight said:

This album gets panned almost as much as the awful NPS, and I just don't get that.

This album is a raw, bitter, angry, passionate gem of a pure rock album.

Chaos and Disorder-A great opener that effectively introduces you to Prince's frustrations with the current scene at the time. The anger felt in the chorus is great.

I Like It There-This...song...rocks! This is a classic Prince rock song. Full of sexual energy and with a great hook and flow to it.

Dinner With Delores-Very lyrically clever, with a great melody. You can just feel the bitterness oozing out of this song. Incredibly catchy little song.

The Same December-This song has such life to it! The chorus is so full of energy and passion, you can't help but move your head to it. Addictively fun and rebellious.

Right The Wrong-Not many like this song, but I think it's another well-crafted song that's really catchy. Very melodic.

Zannalee-This song is a bluesy rock classic. Great stuff.

I Rock, Therefore I Am-Very disappointing for sure. It's got a killer bassline and really attitude filled lyrics, but all the rapping just tarnishes it completely.

Into The Light-A beautifully enchanting ballad.

I Will-I love the way it continues from Into The Light. Also, this song is so gentle, it's like the soft caress of a lover. Very subtle, inspiring strength in it too that can be applied to anyone's struggle.

Dig U Better Dead-A little repetitive, but enjoyable enough. At least the passion is there.

Had U-A perfect closer to this album. A chilling, hurt-filled message set to wonderfully haunting, ominous background music.


What I really love about this album overall is the great flow to it. It's not just a random collection of songs. It truly is a cohesive work. All the songs blend together well and make sense within their place on the tracklisting.

It also has great guitar all throughout it, and most importantly, you can hear just how much Prince believes in what he's saying on this album. He truly put his heart into this. Plus, it's one of his few 90's albums that isn't the least bit overproduced.

It's a great album to play when you're in a real "fuck you!" mood.



I like you PurpleKnight.


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Uh, thanks. lol
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Reply #32 posted 03/13/05 10:24pm

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PurpleMusiq8 said:

Amen to that. Chaos is definitely misunderstood. As a matter of fact, it's my favorite Prince album (and I have been a fan for a long while, so don't let the date of my registration fool you) and one of the two that I actually listen to daily and carry around with my in my CD carrier, along with Dirty Mind.

I bought the album after I saw the video/heard the song Zannalee on Housequake, and checked it out on Amazon. Sounded like a killer rock record to me, and I wasn't disappointed. I tell you, on my first listen to the entire CD, I was loving it. Every single track was configured just right, and the flow of the album was effortless, and the feeling and passion was all there.

The title track is a slamming opener to any rock album, complete with some awesome drumming and screaming. I Like It There is another great song. Dinner With Delores, even with the brontosaurus line, has some level of rock sophistication to it, atop a floaty melody. The Same December is my favorite song, because it seemlessly crosses genres within the 3-4 it plays; it starts off as a rock opera-esque song, builds up some momentum, and goes straight into a classic, folk-rock chorus through and through until it turns bluesy in the end. I love it! Right The Wrong I wasn't digging at first, but when the chorus came blasting, I was hooked. Really catchy. Zannalee was the track that turned me on... some classic blues wah-wah guitar work on here. I Rock... has a solid bassline and a catchy verse/chorus to it, and although I can't always understand what it being said in the raps, I still love it. At this point, this album is banging, but then it tones down with Into The Light and I Will, and even though these songs feature sensitive piano playing and high-pitched singing, they still seem to blend with the other songs. And you can't say that Into The Light isn't one of the most beautiful ballads Prince has ever written. A lot of people don't like Dig U Better Dead, but that synth-bass melody is intoxicating and the song is quite catchy, and finally Had U leaves a brilliant touch to the whole album. A truly haunting song that stays with you even when the CD has stopped.

This is why Chaos And Disorder is my favorite Prince album... over Purple Rain, LoveSexy, Parade, Sign O' The Times (although it's in my top 3), etc. It's the kind of Prince you wouldn't expect because it's so much darker and harder sounding than anything he has ever done (like Come and Gold, which is why my favorite era was 94-96) but at the same time, it's the same Prince you'd come to love. This is actually the first album I bought for a friend who is just getting into Prince. He heard a lot of Purple Rain stuff and saw the Sign O' The Times movie and the Rave DVD and kept hearing about Prince all last year. He likes a lot of metalcore music and hard stuff, and he asked me what kind of Prince to get. I told him anything between 94-96 is pretty cool, and I picked this up one day in the store thinking about him. He told me the next day he loved it, because he'd never think Prince could ever do something like this. He thought Prince was just that androgynous guy who wore heels all the time and danced around and screamed. But he said he loved the guitar work and is now hooked on Prince.

PurpleMusiq8 Beautifully Worded.. Thank u 4 expressing what I truly feel about C&D. I feel so much of what u have expressed because it is so different from all the other music he has written. C&D truly ROCKS thumbs up!
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Reply #33 posted 03/13/05 10:30pm

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It's ok. Some songs are cool and I like the rock vibe he had going on in the mid ninties but I'd still say I only like half the album but "Dinner with Delores" is a really cool song.
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Reply #34 posted 03/14/05 12:10am

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I love it, its one of my favourite albums
oh my lord, where did i hear that one before?
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Reply #35 posted 03/14/05 12:27am

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CHAOS & DISORDER IS A AWESOME CD, I HAVE BEEN SAYIN' THAT TO PEOPLE SINCE '96!
Goodnight, sweet Prince.
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Reply #36 posted 03/14/05 12:29am

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I have to say that I really like C&D. I am listening to it now. I saw this thread about two minutes after sitting down so I had to reply. There are obviously songs that pull you away from the flow of the cd, but that goes for just about every album he puts out. I mean music, especially P's, has the ability to be different things to different people. Therefore everyone takes away something different. Like it or not. It obviously isn't so good that nearly everyone agrees and takes something positive from it but it isn't so bad that no one does.
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Reply #37 posted 03/14/05 12:42am

IstenSzek

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I like to try this album out in different forms by burning
my own cdr version of it from time to time:

chaos and disorder
i like it there
dinner with delores
da bang
same december
calhoun sq.
hide the bone
zanalee
into the light
i will
dig u better dead
empty room
had u



I think it would have been one of his best albums, had he
included just a few more rockin' songs with more depth in
them than "right the wrong/i rock therefore" which take a
lot away from the album's flow and are just too silly to
be taken serious.

Furthermore, I'm sure a lot of people were secretly hopin
for "emptry room" [the 95 version] to be on this album as
it was announced.

Anywho. it's still a cool album in it's original form.

I just like to play around with selfmade versions of some
albums like this one or graffity bridge.
and true love lives on lollipops and crisps
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Reply #38 posted 03/14/05 2:56am

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It seems to be a very polarising album. You either love it or hate it. I love how people have completely different opinions of it, some people think it is raw and unfinished/unproduced sounding:

PurpleKnight - "This album is a raw, bitter, angry, passionate gem of a pure rock album"

GottaLetitgo - "The songs were not intended for the public for a reason - because they wither weren't finished or shouldn't have been started"

Others think it is overproduced:

gsh - "Prince ended up overproducing them due to his inability to leave well enough alone... It could have been a solid rock album if it wasn't so saturated in production"

And some people think it is full of rapping!

Ifsixwuz9 - "It's the shitty rapping sprinkled thoughout the album that ruin it for me"

Personally I think it is produced just right - retaining raw rock energy in songs like 'Chaos & Disorder' and 'I Rock Therefore I Am' while retaining simplicity in songs like 'Had U'. If they sound unfinished, well, it's amazing how many fans usually have an unquenchable thirst for unfinished, raw outtakes and demos. I've heard the original versions of these songs and while it's refreshing to hear them in a new, even rawer, way, I still think the production Prince added was necessary and certainly didn't ruin the songs outright.

I love the album, but what lets it down in most fans eyes is 'Dinner with Delores' - the brontosaur line which is pretty cheesy, 'Right the Wrong' which most people see as 'flippant' but I personally love because it shows Prince's sense of humour while subversively underneath dealing with serious subect matter. And of course 'I Rock Therefore I Am' which should have been a great song - but just somehow isn't, and it's not just the rapping. For a song talking about rock, there just isn't enough actual 'rock' in it.
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Reply #39 posted 03/14/05 10:54am

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PurpleKnight said:

Ifsixwuz9 said:




It's the shitty rapping sprinkled throughout the album that ruin it for me. Well that and Right The Wrong... crap song.


What rapping is there besides in I Rock...?
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I remember there being at least two songs with rapping, one with some corney line about about Kirby Puckett and then another one. I could be wrong, then again I haven't listened to the album in about two years.
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Reply #40 posted 03/14/05 12:01pm

MidnightFunk

a great CD
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Reply #41 posted 03/14/05 3:31pm

ALLMACK

"Dig U" is a disgrace. Otherwise, an OK album.
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Reply #42 posted 03/14/05 3:45pm

neontelephone

love the album.....enough said
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Reply #43 posted 03/14/05 5:32pm

kinke

I REALLY LIKED THAT SONG, DINNER WITH DELORIS. WHOEVER SHE WAS?
REMEMBER IN THE CREDITS IT SAID THAT I WAS FOR PERSONNEL USE ONLY.
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Reply #44 posted 03/14/05 5:33pm

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Fucking great album. Definitely misunderstood and underrated. And I will defend to the death the greatness of it. nod
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Reply #45 posted 03/14/05 9:33pm

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PurpleMusiq8 said:

thebige said:

I like you PurpleMusiq8.


lol. Your favorite era too?

Seriously, Come was really dark and like a vortex, it just sucked you in, and The Black Album was extremely dirty and funky. The Gold Experience could've been really commercial, because of things like Endorphinmachine and Gold, and it kicks ass, and Chaos for the things I mentioned already. Well, I guess the whole 94-96 thing stops in early 96, because I have Emancipation, but it kinda fell short for me and is too damn soft and lovey-dovey on Mayte's part. But the rest of this era lives forever.

You can't really say that The Black Album was a part of this 94-96 era just because it was released in the calendar year of 1994. Musically, of course, it belongs in the era in which it was recorded, the SOTT/Lovesexy era. It's heads & shoulders above the other releases around it. Come and even TGE don't even begin to compare to the energy on this record!!! Ahh, the good ol' days.... LOL!
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Reply #46 posted 03/14/05 10:26pm

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I dig it. biggrin
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Reply #47 posted 03/14/05 11:03pm

teoalcantara

Hi yall!

I'm a newbie here but long time Prince fam. C, what I think it's his greatest quality is 2 generate so many different opinions bout only one work (either a single song or a whole album).

4 example: The song I like the best in Chaos is the one almost every1 here hated: I Rock Therefore I Am.

I also loved all songs from the "Come" album, the only xceptions being "Endorphinmachine" and "Loose".

On the other hand, I didn't like almost anything on the "Love Symbol" album. It's true it has some good songs (at least in my opinion), such as "And God Created Woman" and "The Morning Papers", but the rest...

And what about MUSICOLOGY? I didn't like the title song either, but L-O-V-E-D "Dear Mr. Man".

Prince has something 4 every1. And though I don't like his most recent work as much as the material released up until the Sign O' The Times era, he's still my favorite artist.

Some1 said above - and I totally agree - he'd be better off without the Tony M's and Larry Grahams etc... but I kinda miss "The Revolution" though.

One last thing - There seems 2 b only one consense: "JUGHEAD" SUCKS MAJORLY!!!!!

Regards from Brazil,

Teo
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Reply #48 posted 03/15/05 2:21am

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teoalcantara said:

I also loved all songs from the "Come" album, the only xceptions being "Endorphinmachine" and "Loose".

eek - EM is from Gold!!! (altho prob'ly intended for the original version of Come) and it's one of P's greatest songs ever.

I think that C&D gets a bad rap 4 3 main reasons -

1. the liner notes that say these trax were 4 private use only. I personally think that's just a dig at WB, and meant 2 confuse audiences which it has: cf the above thread!!!

2. the underwhelming promotion - P made it feel like he wasn't interested in the albums success and gave lacklustre promotion such as that Tofay Show performance, I think. It was panned by the critics, partly as a result of this, and partly coz they couldn't pigeonhole it (and partly coz critics r sheep). I think this influenced fans, in 2 ways: either they thought P didn't like the album, or they were influenced by the critics.

3. it fits in 2 a troubling era, and I think many fans were also disppointed by what WASN'T on the album (just like w Come and TGE), especially at a time when every1 was waiting 4 The Dawn. (I've never understood why he put in Zannalee and not The Ride, which is way better IMO).

I loved C&O when it came out, mainly coz I'd sorta lost touch with the P universe, and here was an album that rocked, and surprised. Unfortunately, it hasn't really stood the test of time 4 me - listened 2 it a lot when released and then put away more or less 4ever.
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Reply #49 posted 03/15/05 2:28am

Anji

wasitgood4u said:

I loved C&O when it came out, mainly coz I'd sorta lost touch with the P universe, and here was an album that rocked, and surprised.
It's C&D, and it does make a difference.
Eye dig it, especially Eye Rock, There4 Eye Am.

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Reply #50 posted 03/15/05 8:46am

teoalcantara

wasitgood4u said:

teoalcantara said:

I also loved all songs from the "Come" album, the only xceptions being "Endorphinmachine" and "Loose".

eek - EM is from Gold!!! (altho prob'ly intended for the original version of Come) and it's one of P's greatest songs ever.



Ur absolutely right,wasitgood4u! EM is from GOLD EXPERIENCE, not from Come - my mistake. Still, I don't like it! I got confused bcuz of the "Beautiful Experience" short movie, which mas made mainly of COME material and some songs (E.M. and The Most Beautiful Girl ITW) that ended up in "The Gold Experience". But also bcuz eye have a copy of what is supposed 2 b "a inicial test pressing of COME", and it has E.M. on it.

Regards,

Teo
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Reply #51 posted 03/15/05 9:16am

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soulyacolia said:

Chaos And Disorder rocks!! headbang nod


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Reply #52 posted 03/15/05 9:35am

Universaluv

Can't say it's a gem.

Still my reaction when I first heard C&D was dancing jig he picked up his guitar again! Which is almost always a good thing. About half the album is good (but not great), half is filler.
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Reply #53 posted 03/15/05 9:37am

kisscamille

I've always like this cd. I wouldn't say it's a gem, but it does have some rockin tunes on it.
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Reply #54 posted 03/16/05 12:46pm

neontelephone

teoalcantara said:[quote]Hi yall!

I'm a newbie here but long time Prince fam. C, what I think it's his greatest quality is 2 generate so many different opinions bout only one work (either a single song or a whole album).

4 example: The song I like the best in Chaos is the one almost every1 here hated: I Rock Therefore I Am.

I also loved all songs from the "Come" album, the only xceptions being "Endorphinmachine" and "Loose".

On the other hand, I didn't like almost anything on the "Love Symbol" album. It's true it has some good songs (at least in my opinion), such as "And God Created Woman" and "The Morning Papers", but the rest...

And what about MUSICOLOGY? I didn't like the title song either, but L-O-V-E-D "Dear Mr. Man".

Prince has something 4 every1. And though I don't like his most recent work as much as the material released up until the Sign O' The Times era, he's still my favorite artist.

Some1 said above - and I totally agree - he'd be better off without the Tony M's and Larry Grahams etc... but I kinda miss "The Revolution" though.

One last thing - There seems 2 b only one consense: "JUGHEAD" SUCKS MAJORLY!!!!!

Regards from Brazil,

Endorphine machine was on the gold experience and not on the come album (endorphine machine and loose are 2 really good songs)
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Reply #55 posted 03/16/05 1:12pm

EMattP

I really enjoyed Chaos and Disorder because I like Prince's dark side. His anger resonates on the guitar and the rawness of the album is very pleasing. smile
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Reply #56 posted 03/16/05 2:06pm

thanks2joniand
u

IstenSzek said:

I like to try this album out in different forms by burning
my own cdr version of it from time to time:

chaos and disorder
i like it there
dinner with delores
da bang
same december
calhoun sq.
hide the bone
zanalee
into the light
i will
dig u better dead
empty room
had u



I think it would have been one of his best albums, had he
included just a few more rockin' songs with more depth in
them than "right the wrong/i rock therefore" which take a
lot away from the album's flow and are just too silly to
be taken serious.

Furthermore, I'm sure a lot of people were secretly hopin
for "emptry room" [the 95 version] to be on this album as
it was announced.

Anywho. it's still a cool album in it's original form.

I just like to play around with selfmade versions of some
albums like this one or graffity bridge.




I love this configuration.
The problem I seem to have with some Prince albums is how inconsistant they can be.You're right,too...I Rock and Right The Wrong are really out of place for the album and really threaten the overall tone and mood.
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Reply #57 posted 03/19/05 11:18am

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Chaos and Disorder-A great opener that effectively introduces you to Prince's frustrations with the current scene at the time. The anger felt in the chorus is great.

I Like It There-This...song...rocks! This is a classic Prince rock song. Full of sexual energy and with a great hook and flow to it.

Dinner With Delores-Very lyrically clever, with a great melody. You can just feel the bitterness oozing out of this song. Incredibly catchy little song.

The Same December-This song has such life to it! The chorus is so full of energy and passion, you can't help but move your head to it. Addictively fun and rebellious.

Right The Wrong-Not many like this song, but I think it's another well-crafted song that's really catchy. Very melodic.

Zannalee-This song is a bluesy rock classic. Great stuff.

I Rock, Therefore I Am-Very disappointing for sure. It's got a killer bassline and really attitude filled lyrics, but all the rapping just tarnishes it completely.

Into The Light-A beautifully enchanting ballad.

I Will-I love the way it continues from Into The Light. Also, this song is so gentle, it's like the soft caress of a lover. Very subtle, inspiring strength in it too that can be applied to anyone's struggle.

Dig U Better Dead-A little repetitive, but enjoyable enough. At least the passion is there.

Had U-A perfect closer to this album. A chilling, hurt-filled message set to wonderfully haunting, ominous background music.


Agreed! I LOOOOOVE THIS ALBUM!!!!
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Reply #58 posted 03/19/05 11:23am

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I love the last two tracks.
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Reply #59 posted 03/19/05 3:32pm

whodknee

Ifsixwuz9 said:

PurpleKnight said:



What rapping is there besides in I Rock...?
[Edited 3/13/05 9:03am]



I remember there being at least two songs with rapping, one with some corney line about about Kirby Puckett and then another one. I could be wrong, then again I haven't listened to the album in about two years.



I think that Kirby Puckett line was on Emancipation or maybe that's on I Rock. I forget. I've learned to ignore the subpar rapping on Prince albums. smile

C&D is personally my favorite Prince album. I know it's not his best, but I find myself listening to this one more than any other Prince album. I Rock and Dig You Better Dead are guilty pleasures of mine. I wouldn't play them for a casual/non-fan/in public but I like 'em anyway.
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