New topic
Printable| Author | Message |
prince find hard to sing and play guitar the same way prince do sometimes prince says something while he plays solo on guitar.
that is extremely hard. i always wonder how prince plays that great rhythm guitar on 1+1+1=3 and ion the same time,he is talking and he never misses a bit. you ever noticed that? you ever wondered how he do that stuff? | |
- E-mail - orgNote -  Report post to moderator |
thebanishedone said: sometimes prince says something while he plays solo on guitar.
that is extremely hard. i always wonder how prince plays that great rhythm guitar on 1+1+1=3 and ion the same time,he is talking and he never misses a bit. you ever noticed that? you ever wondered how he do that stuff? I would imagine it would be hard for anyone to multi-task at things that are already hard, such as guitar playing and singing, and still complete them to perfection. That's a very unnoticed aspect of Prince. | |
| - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |
The man's talented.....but I don't see how it is so hard. Maybe is because he has sung the song so many times or he knows the song so well (he should he wrote it) that it's just there. So while he's playing guitar, he might only be concentrating on playing that guitar but the song he is supposed to be singing, he's singing....it just comes out. Like Alicia Keys, how she can play piano and sing (very well I might add) whatever she is supposed to be singing... So I guess it's just all about the determination and will of the person I guess.
But you have to be good at both in order to try and attempt to do them at the same time..this is just my opinion  don't hurt me.....[Edited 3/9/05 20:15pm] ------;;;;;' | |
| - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |
It's just like trying to play the piano with both hands for the first time. It is really difficult but when your brain adjusts it is perfectly natural. I taught myself the guitar recently and it took a while to sing at the same time but it was only a matter of weeks. I'd imagine Prince doesn't find it too much of a challenge by now (nor does any other singer/guitarist).
By the way, what is the title of this thread saying? | |
| - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |
In fact, prince often has difficulty playing rhythm guitar and singing. for example, on 1+1+1=3, If you watch and listen closely, he often stops playing when he begins to sing or he will change his rhythm lick from a complex pattern to a much simpler one i.e. perhaps just scratch muting his strings in time with the whole groove. it is during the lyrical phrases where he gets deeper on the guitar i.e "i a'int really that hard to please"...{complex groove).."1+1+1=3".. You'll never know a girl called Nikki and you'll never find Erotic City | |
| - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |
....yeah, it took B a minute 2 get that play & sing thing: took longer 2 sing & play piano than with guitar....when i was workin' on it i asked this friend of mine (a renowned jazz percussionist who i saw play drums/keyboard & sing all @ the same time) what is the secret of such a feat? "...its all about the breathing!" was his reply~tho' he offered no specific clue; i figured it out 4 myself later on n a most curious manner...
....Prince got it down n highschool...perhaps the pause or hesitation come n when a random thought rambles through his mind...when i'm n the zone, if i stop 2 think 'what chord comes next or what r the words here or who is that over there lookin' @ B?' i totally lose my place & havta regroup....no one gives an exemplary live performance like Prince tho'....don't u agree?  | |
| - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |
thebanishedone said: sometimes prince says something while he plays solo on guitar.
that is extremely hard. i always wonder how prince plays that great rhythm guitar on 1+1+1=3 and ion the same time,he is talking and he never misses a bit. you ever noticed that? you ever wondered how he do that stuff? multitrack. | |
| - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |
PRNelson said: In fact, prince often has difficulty playing rhythm guitar and singing. for example, on 1+1+1=3, If you watch and listen closely, he often stops playing when he begins to sing or he will change his rhythm lick from a complex pattern to a much simpler one i.e. perhaps just scratch muting his strings in time with the whole groove. it is during the lyrical phrases where he gets deeper on the guitar i.e "i a'int really that hard to please"...{complex groove).."1+1+1=3"..
It's usually a good idea to simplify rhythm parts during vocal phrases, so they don't get all the attention - instead allowing the listener to focus on the vocal. | |
| - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |
After all these years and with all his talent, believe me, P has NO problems isolating what he's doing. Look at a great drummer at work like Neil Peart or Manu Katche and you'll see four independent limbs doing their job. I think what some might interpret as a "mess up" is more likely an "clear out" so that he can bear down on a lyric or something else 100% intentional. JMHO, as a longtime drummer who dreams of that kind of control. | |
| - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |
RealMusician said: PRNelson said: In fact, prince often has difficulty playing rhythm guitar and singing. for example, on 1+1+1=3, If you watch and listen closely, he often stops playing when he begins to sing or he will change his rhythm lick from a complex pattern to a much simpler one i.e. perhaps just scratch muting his strings in time with the whole groove. it is during the lyrical phrases where he gets deeper on the guitar i.e "i a'int really that hard to please"...{complex groove).."1+1+1=3"..
It's usually a good idea to simplify rhythm parts during vocal phrases, so they don't get all the attention - instead allowing the listener to focus on the vocal. yes, very true. i am not sure that this is the only reason behind it though. You'll never know a girl called Nikki and you'll never find Erotic City | |
| - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |
Just imagine trying to steer with your right hand, change gear with your left hand, press the clutch with the left foot whilst the right foot applies the gas. At the same time listening to your mates talk rubbish over the radio that you are listening and singing along to. Not forgetting all the information your eyes are taking in as the scenery whizzes past you at 90 mph!
Just imagine trying to do ALL those things at the same time... Surely it cant be done without any conscious thought at all? | |
| - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |
PRNelson said: In fact, prince often has difficulty playing rhythm guitar and singing. for example, on 1+1+1=3, If you watch and listen closely, he often stops playing when he begins to sing or he will change his rhythm lick from a complex pattern to a much simpler one i.e. perhaps just scratch muting his strings in time with the whole groove. it is during the lyrical phrases where he gets deeper on the guitar i.e "i a'int really that hard to please"...{complex groove).."1+1+1=3"..
So you think one sec that Prince has problems playing rythmn guitar and singing at the same time. You must be joking. I have seen him right in front of my eyes playing the guitar with one hand, the keyboard with the other hand and sing at the same time. It was asolutely amazing to see how easy it was for him. It was like breathing. I know Prince has many defects but his synchronisation is absolutely fantastic. [Edited 3/15/05 7:28am] Il n'y a pas de sentiment plus exaltant que celui d'appartenir à une nation si diverse, si libre et si douée pour le bonheur. | |
| - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |
BeautifulFrance said:[quote] PRNelson said: In fact, prince often has difficulty playing rhythm guitar and singing. for example, on 1+1+1=3, If you watch and listen closely, he often stops playing when he begins to sing or he will change his rhythm lick from a complex pattern to a much simpler one i.e. perhaps just scratch muting his strings in time with the whole groove. it is during the lyrical phrases where he gets deeper on the guitar i.e "i a'int really that hard to please"...{complex groove).."1+1+1=3"..
So you think one sec that Prince has problems playing rythmn guitar and singing at the same time. You must be joking.
I have seen him right in front of my eyes playing the guitar with one hand, the keyboard with the other hand and sing at the same time. It was asolutely amazing to see how easy it was for him. It was like breathing. I know Prince has many defects but his synchronisation is absolutely fantastic. [Edited 3/15/05 7:28am] I don't question prince's ability as a musician. However, playing in UNISON with an overdriven guitar and a keyboard is not as difficult as it appears. i can do it, too. I don't see that as a boast because as i have stated, it is just not that hard a thing to accomplish. However, doing two activities which have no resemblence i.e playing a complicated guitar lick and singing a melody is far more complicated. I don't believe that Prince can't play rhythm guitar and sing at the same time period. but instead, that he often demonstartes difficulty in doing so. Check out numerous unoffical concert video recordings - watch how he quits playing his guitar as he sings or completely simplifies the guitar line as he concentrates on his vocals i.e perhaps he only plays on the 'one' of each bar. Prince is a phenomenal musician, i'd never deny that, its a reason i love him so much. Although, many are easily fooled by 'gimicks' into thinking that its harder than it is. playing a unison line or a hammer on on aguitar neck whilst giving a run across a pianos keys looks amazing but it relly isnt hard. Playing a complicated guitar riff and singing over it is arguably more complicated and often prince is incapable. [Edited 3/15/05 13:34pm] You'll never know a girl called Nikki and you'll never find Erotic City | |
| - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |
some people are just better at mulitasking  If you will, so will I | |
| - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |
PRNelson said:[quote] BeautifulFrance said: [Prince is a phenomenal musician, i'd never deny that, its a reason i love him so much. Although, many are easily fooled by 'gimicks' into thinking that its harder than it is. playing a unison line or a hammer on on aguitar neck whilst giving a run across a pianos keys looks amazing but it relly isnt hard. Playing a complicated guitar riff and singing over it is arguably more complicated and often prince is incapable. [Edited 3/15/05 13:34pm] I am from a family of professional musicians, some of them have played with the greatest musicians of the last century. One of them (my uncle => 35 fucking years of classic music) was with me at the aftershow where Prince played both instruments at the same time and you know what... he was amazed by Prince 's dexterity. As a musician myself (not great like you but still LOL), I can appreciate as well what is difficult to do or not. I do not need anyone to lecture me. Prince is a fantastic at rythm guitar (better than his solos work) and there are hundreds of opportunity to completely deny what you say. I was there also in Belgium in 1995 in Brussels and what he did on that night on rythm guitar and singing at the same time was FABULOUS. One sentence : CUT THE CRAP. Il n'y a pas de sentiment plus exaltant que celui d'appartenir à une nation si diverse, si libre et si douée pour le bonheur. | |
| - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |
BeautifulFrance said:[quote] PRNelson said: BeautifulFrance said: [Prince is a phenomenal musician, i'd never deny that, its a reason i love him so much. Although, many are easily fooled by 'gimicks' into thinking that its harder than it is. playing a unison line or a hammer on on aguitar neck whilst giving a run across a pianos keys looks amazing but it relly isnt hard. Playing a complicated guitar riff and singing over it is arguably more complicated and often prince is incapable. [Edited 3/15/05 13:34pm] I am from a family of professional musicians, some of them have played with the greatest musicians of the last century. One of them (my uncle => 35 fucking years of classic music) was with me at the aftershow where Prince played both instruments at the same time and you know what... he was amazed by Prince 's dexterity. As a musician myself (not great like you but still LOL), I can appreciate as well what is difficult to do or not. I do not need anyone to lecture me. Prince is a fantastic at rythm guitar (better than his solos work) and there are hundreds of opportunity to completely deny what you say. I was there also in Belgium in 1995 in Brussels and what he did on that night on rythm guitar and singing at the same time was FABULOUS. One sentence : CUT THE CRAP. i am suprised at your over-defensiveness of Prince, he's great but he has got limitations. Prince is a fabulous 'all-rounder', perhaps even the best. But he IS human and nobody on the planet is flawless. You stated that there are hundreads of oppurtunities to dis-prove what i say. However, i DIDNT say that Prince is TOTALLY incapable at playing rhythm guitar and singing at the same time, nor did i say that he wasn't fantastic. I claimed that he often experiences difficuilty. He makes mistakes like any musician, he occasionally hits wrong notes, misses cues and forgets lines to his own songs - thats not me putting Prince down, its just a rational observation by somebody who is not completely fazed by another human being (regardless of how famous they are). I don't profess to be a great musician, but i wouldn't lie about my capabilities. I am very competent on 3 instruments. Put simply, for a competent multi-instrumentalist - Playing an identical line on an effect drenched guitar and a synth simultaneously just isn't that hard or impressive. If this premise were true then it would suggest that the 'one man band' who plays in my town centre is a genius. I mean, he plays guitar, sings and bangs a kick drum at the same time! WOW, i am in awe. When he plays that harmonica aswell, it just flaws me. truly inspired! ALL this and he has a pretend monkey on his shoulder, too! Prince's flashness is'nt what makes him great, its his musicianship. The rest of it is just icing on the cake. Thing is, the cake taste great on its own and the icing - as pretty as it may be - can often be attributed to distracting people from Prince's fundamental musical brilliance. If you dont wanna see something that might shatter the illusion of Princes god-like staus then dont wath the livesexy video during 'lets go crazy'. He mimes the guitar solo. Don't argue, go watch it. He kneels down with his right hand on the floor, yet his guitar manages to rip into a roaring solo. Don't argue that he was simply 'hammering on' the notes with his left hand because i have studied the clip and it is'nt the case. besides, His face says it all when he realises that he has missed his 'cue'. want, further proof? my dad works on concert rigs and his best friend worked the lovesexy shows - he claimed that prince often mimed over pre-recorded guitar solo's in the show. Albiet, it was prince playing on the pre-recording. I got a Lovesexy Crew T-shirt too! One sentence: How d'ya like 'dem apples? [Edited 3/16/05 12:50pm] You'll never know a girl called Nikki and you'll never find Erotic City | |
| - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |
PRNelson said: BeautifulFrance said: I am from a family of professional musicians, some of them have played with the greatest musicians of the last century. One of them (my uncle => 35 fucking years of classic music) was with me at the aftershow where Prince played both instruments at the same time and you know what... he was amazed by Prince 's dexterity. As a musician myself (not great like you but still LOL), I can appreciate as well what is difficult to do or not. I do not need anyone to lecture me. Prince is a fantastic at rythm guitar (better than his solos work) and there are hundreds of opportunity to completely deny what you say. I was there also in Belgium in 1995 in Brussels and what he did on that night on rythm guitar and singing at the same time was FABULOUS. One sentence : CUT THE CRAP. i am suprised at your over-defensiveness of Prince, he's great but he has got limitations. Prince is a fabulous 'all-rounder', perhaps even the best. But he IS human and nobody on the planet is flawless. You stated that there are hundreads of oppurtunities to dis-prove what i say. However, i DIDNT say that Prince is TOTALLY incapable at playing rhythm guitar and singing at the same time, nor did i say that he wasn't fantastic. I claimed that he often experiences difficuilty. He makes mistakes like any musician, he occasionally hits wrong notes, misses cues and forgets lines to his own songs - thats not me putting Prince down, its just a rational observation by somebody who is not completely fazed by another human being (regardless of how famous they are). I don't profess to be a great musician, but i wouldn't lie about my capabilities. I am very competent on 3 instruments. Put simply, for a competent multi-instrumentalist - Playing an identical line on an effect drenched guitar and a synth simultaneously just isn't that hard or impressive. If this premise were true then it would suggest that the 'one man band' who plays in my town centre is a genius. I mean, he plays guitar, sings and bangs a kick drum at the same time! WOW, i am in awe. When he plays that harmonica aswell, it just flaws me. truly inspired! ALL this and he has a pretend monkey on his shoulder, too! Prince's flashness is'nt what makes him great, its his musicianship. The rest of it is just icing on the cake. Thing is, the cake taste great on its own and the icing - as pretty as it may be - can often be attributed to distracting people from Prince's fundamental musical brilliance. If you dont wanna see something that might shatter the illusion of Princes god-like staus then dont wath the livesexy video during 'lets go crazy'. He mimes the guitar solo. Don't argue, go watch it. He kneels down with his right hand on the floor, yet his guitar manages to rip into a roaring solo. Don't argue that he was simply 'hammering on' the notes with his left hand because i have studied the clip and it is'nt the case. besides, His face says it all when he realises that he has missed his 'cue'. want, further proof? my dad works on concert rigs and his best friend worked the lovesexy shows - he claimed that prince often mimed over pre-recorded guitar solo's in the show. Albiet, it was prince playing on the pre-recording. I got a Lovesexy Crew T-shirt too! One sentence: How d'ya like 'dem apples? [Edited 3/16/05 12:50pm] SHITE!! | |
| - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |
fartman said: PRNelson said: i am suprised at your over-defensiveness of Prince, he's great but he has got limitations. Prince is a fabulous 'all-rounder', perhaps even the best. But he IS human and nobody on the planet is flawless. You stated that there are hundreads of oppurtunities to dis-prove what i say. However, i DIDNT say that Prince is TOTALLY incapable at playing rhythm guitar and singing at the same time, nor did i say that he wasn't fantastic. I claimed that he often experiences difficuilty. He makes mistakes like any musician, he occasionally hits wrong notes, misses cues and forgets lines to his own songs - thats not me putting Prince down, its just a rational observation by somebody who is not completely fazed by another human being (regardless of how famous they are). I don't profess to be a great musician, but i wouldn't lie about my capabilities. I am very competent on 3 instruments. Put simply, for a competent multi-instrumentalist - Playing an identical line on an effect drenched guitar and a synth simultaneously just isn't that hard or impressive. If this premise were true then it would suggest that the 'one man band' who plays in my town centre is a genius. I mean, he plays guitar, sings and bangs a kick drum at the same time! WOW, i am in awe. When he plays that harmonica aswell, it just flaws me. truly inspired! ALL this and he has a pretend monkey on his shoulder, too! Prince's flashness is'nt what makes him great, its his musicianship. The rest of it is just icing on the cake. Thing is, the cake taste great on its own and the icing - as pretty as it may be - can often be attributed to distracting people from Prince's fundamental musical brilliance. If you dont wanna see something that might shatter the illusion of Princes god-like staus then dont wath the livesexy video during 'lets go crazy'. He mimes the guitar solo. Don't argue, go watch it. He kneels down with his right hand on the floor, yet his guitar manages to rip into a roaring solo. Don't argue that he was simply 'hammering on' the notes with his left hand because i have studied the clip and it is'nt the case. besides, His face says it all when he realises that he has missed his 'cue'. want, further proof? my dad works on concert rigs and his best friend worked the lovesexy shows - he claimed that prince often mimed over pre-recorded guitar solo's in the show. Albiet, it was prince playing on the pre-recording. I got a Lovesexy Crew T-shirt too! One sentence: How d'ya like 'dem apples? [Edited 3/16/05 12:50pm] SHITE!! man, what a hypocrite Prince is then. back in the day he mimed shit, too. dayum. that kinda pisses me off. | |
| - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |
PRNelson said:[quote] BeautifulFrance said: His face says it all when he realises that he has missed his 'cue'. want, further proof? my dad works on concert rigs and his best friend worked the lovesexy shows - he claimed that prince often mimed over pre-recorded guitar solo's in the show. Albiet, it was prince playing on the pre-recording. I got a Lovesexy Crew T-shirt too! BHAHAHAHAHAH Now prince mimes his solos. Motherfucking LOL !!!!! Il n'y a pas de sentiment plus exaltant que celui d'appartenir à une nation si diverse, si libre et si douée pour le bonheur. | |
| - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |
and dont watch his appearance on jay leno with musicology. he reaches for his plektrum while the git is already playing. but ok, it was a tv promo show. | |
| - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |
he doesn't mime that. as stated in another thread. he would find it harder to mime that live solo with ten video cameras on him than play it. | |
| - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |
thebanishedone said: sometimes prince says something while he plays solo on guitar.
that is extremely hard. i always wonder how prince plays that great rhythm guitar on 1+1+1=3 and ion the same time,he is talking and he never misses a bit. you ever noticed that? you ever wondered how he do that stuff? | |
| - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |
Jon said: Just imagine trying to steer with your right hand, change gear with your left hand, press the clutch with the left foot whilst the right foot applies the gas. At the same time listening to your mates talk rubbish over the radio that you are listening and singing along to. Not forgetting all the information your eyes are taking in as the scenery whizzes past you at 90 mph!
Just imagine trying to do ALL those things at the same time... Surely it cant be done without any conscious thought at all? LOL...THANK U! edit: although in the US, switch rifght for left and left for right. Do U think that's easier, or harder?...LOL [Edited 3/22/05 9:46am] | |
| - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |
Anything Prince can do, I reckon I can do just as well (except keyboards) in terms of coordinating voice and guitar, etc. It's not that hard to be musically coordinated, if you take the time.
Not saying I'm as great a musician as Prince, but when it comes to talking/singing and playing guitar (yes lead & rhythm), I really don't find it hard at all. Same with drums and bass...piano I have more trouble with simply cause I'm not much of piano player. I know I sound bigheaded, but fuck it, it's true. And I'm sure some of you other org musicians and musicians around the world who haven't made it yet/don't live off your music can say the very same thing. 
. [Edited 3/22/05 23:47pm] [Edited 3/22/05 23:49pm] | |
| - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |
I don't care if he mimed during Lovesexy, which was a theatrical kind of thing anyway. Listen to any aftershow jam from that same era and you'll know what the guy is capable of on guitar. As for the multitasking: it's not so hard to sing and accompany yourself on guitar (almost every guitarist can do it). Guys like Sting can play complex bass lines and sing at the same time. It's really not so hard, because it's all within one rhythm anyway. The risk is that once you get carried away with the singing and stretch the rhythm in that, the guitar tends to suffer. P is very good at making sure this doesn't happen. | |
| - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |