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Thread started 03/03/05 6:00pm

thebanishedone

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is prince still making jehovah witness propaganda?

on one nite alone tour during encore peformances of anna stasia ,
prince was saying his fans to trust him and to check the new world translation of bible.

but i haven't noticed that he was doing that kind of marketing,
on the musicology tour,
or maybe he did?

is his role in jehovah witness cult to preach to the masses on his concerts?
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Reply #1 posted 03/03/05 6:07pm

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I heard that he handed out a few Watchtower pamphlets at at least a few Musicology shows after the final encore of Purple Rain.
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Reply #2 posted 03/03/05 6:14pm

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yeah, he handed out some watchtowers after some shows during the musicology tour. that, and he put a little schpiel in about the bible during "purple rain" at all the shows, but he at least kept his sermon open-ended, not like he was shopping JW specifically. i think he kept his dogma on a leash with the last tour, but you know prince - he hadda bust loose a few times. lol
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Reply #3 posted 03/04/05 2:23am

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Anxiety said:

yeah, he handed out some watchtowers after some shows during the musicology tour. that, and he put a little schpiel in about the bible during "purple rain" at all the shows, but he at least kept his sermon open-ended, not like he was shopping JW specifically. i think he kept his dogma on a leash with the last tour, but you know prince - he hadda bust loose a few times. lol


I think he made an edffort to keep the dogma to a minimum this tour, seeing as how it was supposed to be mainstream-friendly. Any amount of religion-specific preachiness might've cost him $$$
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Reply #4 posted 03/04/05 7:00am

Anxiety

meow85 said:

Anxiety said:

yeah, he handed out some watchtowers after some shows during the musicology tour. that, and he put a little schpiel in about the bible during "purple rain" at all the shows, but he at least kept his sermon open-ended, not like he was shopping JW specifically. i think he kept his dogma on a leash with the last tour, but you know prince - he hadda bust loose a few times. lol


I think he made an edffort to keep the dogma to a minimum this tour, seeing as how it was supposed to be mainstream-friendly. Any amount of religion-specific preachiness might've cost him $$$


i think he got it all out of his system with the ONA tour, so he was able to tone it down for the bigger, mainstream-friendly tour.
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Reply #5 posted 03/04/05 9:29am

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meow85 said:

Anxiety said:

yeah, he handed out some watchtowers after some shows during the musicology tour. that, and he put a little schpiel in about the bible during "purple rain" at all the shows, but he at least kept his sermon open-ended, not like he was shopping JW specifically. i think he kept his dogma on a leash with the last tour, but you know prince - he hadda bust loose a few times. lol


I think he made an edffort to keep the dogma to a minimum this tour, seeing as how it was supposed to be mainstream-friendly. Any amount of religion-specific preachiness might've cost him $$$


But since when has P ever made his decisions based on money? He's lost a lot of money over the years by doing what he believed in and not what would make him the most money. Just a thought!
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Reply #6 posted 03/04/05 9:38am

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jenet8701 said:

meow85 said:



I think he made an edffort to keep the dogma to a minimum this tour, seeing as how it was supposed to be mainstream-friendly. Any amount of religion-specific preachiness might've cost him $$$


But since when has P ever made his decisions based on money? He's lost a lot of money over the years by doing what he believed in and not what would make him the most money. Just a thought!


i think he really had his sights set on mainstream acceptance last year (probably a safe bet, huh?) and didn't wanna do anything that would alienate a large audience - he did let some sermonizing creep into the show, but nothing that would alienate folks, and he didn't go as over the top with it as he did on the ONA tour. i have to wonder what he's gonna do next time around...
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Reply #7 posted 03/04/05 10:04am

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Jehovah's Witnesses are not a cult.
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Reply #8 posted 03/04/05 10:12am

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TheOrgerFormerlyKnownAs said:

Jehovah's Witnesses are not a cult.


i don't think it's a cult either, but you have to admit, it's a hard sell to witness to a mainstream audience and have the kind of success that he had last year. but you know prince - if anyone can have his cake and eat it too, he'll be the one to figure out how to do it.
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Reply #9 posted 03/04/05 12:41pm

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TheOrgerFormerlyKnownAs said:

Jehovah's Witnesses are not a cult.

I don't know if they are seen as a cult in the USA, but in Europe they are seen as a cult
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Reply #10 posted 03/04/05 1:13pm

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TheOrgerFormerlyKnownAs said:

Jehovah's Witnesses are not a cult.



Jehovah Witnesses believe that they alone are the one true religion.
They believe God only revealed the truth to them.
They are discouraged from befriending non-Jehovah Witnesses .
They rely completely on their elders and the Watchtower to teach them God's Word instead of The Holy Spirit.
They go to an average of 3-5 meetings a week and are looked down on if they don't. (God forbid they start thinking for themselves and become deprogrammed)
They think blood transfusions are forbidden in Scripture according to their twisted version of the Bible.Something that has been responsible for who knows how many deaths.
They view all government officials,cops,etc. as of Satan's kingdom.
They blindly believe anything their elders or the Watchtower tells them without question and if they do question it they are told to wait for Jehovah to show them that it is true.(In other words, they will believe everything they are told with enough time and constant programming,3-5 meetings a week will do that)
Playing musical instruments is wrong when praising Jehovah in worship according to them. Although its quite alright for entertainment purposes(no logic behind that one at all)
They have given many prophecies over the years,all have failed.

Do I need to go on,because I can. Yet this still doesnt constitute being a cult? Just because they may not go wacky with guns or hold themselves up in a compound doesnt mean they are not spiritually and mentally deceived and wolves in sheeps clothing. Read about the Pharisees in the Bible and see if the similarities between them and the Jehovah Witnesses are almost identical. The Pharisees wanted to stone Jesus for claiming He and the Father were One. The JW's will do the same to those who believe this about Jesus and the Father as well.
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Reply #11 posted 03/04/05 1:18pm

FunkMistress

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jujubeans said:

TheOrgerFormerlyKnownAs said:

Jehovah's Witnesses are not a cult.



Jehovah Witnesses believe that they alone are the one true religion.
They believe God only revealed the truth to them.
They are discouraged from befriending non-Jehovah Witnesses .
They rely completely on their elders and the Watchtower to teach them God's Word instead of The Holy Spirit.
They go to an average of 3-5 meetings a week and are looked down on if they don't. (God forbid they start thinking for themselves and become deprogrammed)
They think blood transfusions are forbidden in Scripture according to their twisted version of the Bible.Something that has been responsible for who knows how many deaths.
They view all government officials,cops,etc. as of Satan's kingdom.
They blindly believe anything their elders or the Watchtower tells them without question and if they do question it they are told to wait for Jehovah to show them that it is true.(In other words, they will believe everything they are told with enough time and constant programming,3-5 meetings a week will do that)
Playing musical instruments is wrong when praising Jehovah in worship according to them. Although its quite alright for entertainment purposes(no logic behind that one at all)
They have given many prophecies over the years,all have failed.

Do I need to go on,because I can. Yet this still doesnt constitute being a cult? Just because they may not go wacky with guns or hold themselves up in a compound doesnt mean they are not spiritually and mentally deceived and wolves in sheeps clothing. Read about the Pharisees in the Bible and see if the similarities between them and the Jehovah Witnesses are almost identical. The Pharisees wanted to stone Jesus for claiming He and the Father were One. The JW's will do the same to those who believe this about Jesus and the Father as well.


How does all of that make them a cult? Seems like if you change a few details, you could have been describing any organized religion whatsoever.
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Reply #12 posted 03/04/05 1:29pm

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jujubeans said:

TheOrgerFormerlyKnownAs said:

Jehovah's Witnesses are not a cult.



Jehovah Witnesses believe that they alone are the one true religion.
They believe God only revealed the truth to them.
They are discouraged from befriending non-Jehovah Witnesses .
They rely completely on their elders and the Watchtower to teach them God's Word instead of The Holy Spirit.
They go to an average of 3-5 meetings a week and are looked down on if they don't. (God forbid they start thinking for themselves and become deprogrammed)
They think blood transfusions are forbidden in Scripture according to their twisted version of the Bible.Something that has been responsible for who knows how many deaths.
They view all government officials,cops,etc. as of Satan's kingdom.
They blindly believe anything their elders or the Watchtower tells them without question and if they do question it they are told to wait for Jehovah to show them that it is true.(In other words, they will believe everything they are told with enough time and constant programming,3-5 meetings a week will do that)
Playing musical instruments is wrong when praising Jehovah in worship according to them. Although its quite alright for entertainment purposes(no logic behind that one at all)
They have given many prophecies over the years,all have failed.

Do I need to go on,because I can. Yet this still doesnt constitute being a cult? Just because they may not go wacky with guns or hold themselves up in a compound doesnt mean they are not spiritually and mentally deceived and wolves in sheeps clothing. Read about the Pharisees in the Bible and see if the similarities between them and the Jehovah Witnesses are almost identical. The Pharisees wanted to stone Jesus for claiming He and the Father were One. The JW's will do the same to those who believe this about Jesus and the Father as well.


First off juju you need to chill. you have alot of pinned up hatred in your heart and I think you may need some couch time. Much of what you say isn true and grossly biased. Like FUnk Mistress said you could be describing any religion as far as your claims go.
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Reply #13 posted 03/04/05 1:31pm

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Serious said:

TheOrgerFormerlyKnownAs said:

Jehovah's Witnesses are not a cult.

I don't know if they are seen as a cult in the USA, but in Europe they are seen as a cult


Well as far as I've heard from my friends across the pond there is a backlash on religon perid over there so I guess anyone could be viewed that way.
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Reply #14 posted 03/04/05 2:19pm

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Soulchild82 said:


Well as far as I've heard from my friends across the pond there is a backlash on religon perid over there so I guess anyone could be viewed that way.


i don't think that's true. there might be a different approach to religion in different countries, but i certainly have never heard of a 'backlash'. if anything, i'd imagine there's more respect between people of different faiths 'across the pond' than there is here in the states, but i guess i could be wrong...
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Reply #15 posted 03/04/05 4:32pm

FIML

jujubeans said:

TheOrgerFormerlyKnownAs said:

Jehovah's Witnesses are not a cult.



Jehovah Witnesses believe that they alone are the one true religion.
They believe God only revealed the truth to them.
They are discouraged from befriending non-Jehovah Witnesses . They rely completely on their elders and the Watchtower to teach them God's Word instead of The Holy Spirit.
They go to an average of 3-5 meetings a week and are looked down on if they don't. (God forbid they start thinking for themselves and become deprogrammed)
They think blood transfusions are forbidden in Scripture according to their twisted version of the Bible.Something that has been responsible for who knows how many deaths.
They view all government officials,cops,etc. as of Satan's kingdom.
They blindly believe anything their elders or the Watchtower tells them without question and if they do question it they are told to wait for Jehovah to show them that it is true.(In other words, they will believe everything they are told with enough time and constant programming,3-5 meetings a week will do that)
Playing musical instruments is wrong when praising Jehovah in worship according to them. Although its quite alright for entertainment purposes(no logic behind that one at all)
They have given many prophecies over the years,all have failed.

Do I need to go on,because I can. Yet this still doesnt constitute being a cult? Just because they may not go wacky with guns or hold themselves up in a compound doesnt mean they are not spiritually and mentally deceived and wolves in sheeps clothing. Read about the Pharisees in the Bible and see if the similarities between them and the Jehovah Witnesses are almost identical. The Pharisees wanted to stone Jesus for claiming He and the Father were One. The JW's will do the same to those who believe this about Jesus and the Father as well.


How sad.. sad
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Reply #16 posted 03/04/05 4:40pm

Anxiety

jujubeans said:


They are discouraged from befriending non-Jehovah Witnesses .


this is SO not true. or else i know some downright heathens. lol
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Reply #17 posted 03/04/05 4:58pm

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Anxiety said:

jujubeans said:


They are discouraged from befriending non-Jehovah Witnesses .


this is SO not true. or else i know some downright heathens. lol
I'll give my JW friends the news straight away. sad
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Reply #18 posted 03/04/05 5:02pm

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jujubeans said:

TheOrgerFormerlyKnownAs said:

Jehovah's Witnesses are not a cult.



Jehovah Witnesses believe that they alone are the one true religion.
They believe God only revealed the truth to them.
They are discouraged from befriending non-Jehovah Witnesses .
They rely completely on their elders and the Watchtower to teach them God's Word instead of The Holy Spirit.
They go to an average of 3-5 meetings a week and are looked down on if they don't. (God forbid they start thinking for themselves and become deprogrammed)
They think blood transfusions are forbidden in Scripture according to their twisted version of the Bible.Something that has been responsible for who knows how many deaths.
They view all government officials,cops,etc. as of Satan's kingdom.
They blindly believe anything their elders or the Watchtower tells them without question and if they do question it they are told to wait for Jehovah to show them that it is true.(In other words, they will believe everything they are told with enough time and constant programming,3-5 meetings a week will do that)
Playing musical instruments is wrong when praising Jehovah in worship according to them. Although its quite alright for entertainment purposes(no logic behind that one at all)
They have given many prophecies over the years,all have failed.

Do I need to go on,because I can. Yet this still doesnt constitute being a cult? Just because they may not go wacky with guns or hold themselves up in a compound doesnt mean they are not spiritually and mentally deceived and wolves in sheeps clothing. Read about the Pharisees in the Bible and see if the similarities between them and the Jehovah Witnesses are almost identical. The Pharisees wanted to stone Jesus for claiming He and the Father were One. The JW's will do the same to those who believe this about Jesus and the Father as well.
No, you do not need to go on. When was the last time you were at a Hall? Well, I was at one recently and lo and behold, there was an instrument playing. Ya know what else? There are Witnesses that are cops! omg And hold on to your wig, but at the meetings I attended, we read straight from the BIBLE!! eek Everything one of the brothers said was backed up by holy scripture.

What faith are you? Maybe we could bash something else for a change around here. neutral
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Reply #19 posted 03/05/05 1:43am

Heiress

Anxiety said:

jujubeans said:


They are discouraged from befriending non-Jehovah Witnesses .


this is SO not true. or else i know some downright heathens. lol


wave Heathen over here!
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Reply #20 posted 03/05/05 1:46am

jn2

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I don't know if they are seen as a cult in the USA, but in Europe they (JW) are seen as a cult
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Reply #21 posted 03/05/05 1:48am

Heiress

jn2 said:

SexySerious said:


I don't know if they are seen as a cult in the USA, but in Europe they (JW) are seen as a cult
nod


Devout Catholics, for that matter, are seen as cultists in France.

My husband's cousin lost custody of her son for being a practicing Catholic, and not having a television... Her ex-husband is a druggie, but the judge saw nothing wrong with that ("it's reality, people take drugs," he said).

So France is no judge in this domain. neutral
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Reply #22 posted 03/05/05 1:58am

jn2

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Devout Catholics, for that matter, are seen as cultists in France._____
No( I don't know about your husband's cousin case) but right wing Catholics( violent anti abortion people, antisemitics ones..) are indeed considered as cultish.
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Reply #23 posted 03/05/05 2:42am

Heiress

jn2 said:

Heiress said:

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Devout Catholics, for that matter, are seen as cultists in France._____
No( I don't know about your husband's cousin case) but right wing Catholics( violent anti abortion people, antisemitics ones..) are indeed considered as cultish.


That's certainly a stereotype of old-school Catholicism.

Practicing Muslims are suspect as well, aren't they? If they weren't, there wouldn't have been this obvious sanction against wearing the veil in public school.

A friend of mine just became a certified teacher, and one of the girls in his class couldn't wear the veil anymore, so she shaved her head. eek He felt so horrible about that... really felt as if her freedom of conscience had been taken away.
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Reply #24 posted 03/05/05 4:10am

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If Prince had given out Watchtowers at the show I was at, I would have folded it up into a paper airplane and launched the fucker right into his eye.
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Reply #25 posted 03/05/05 8:53am

Anxiety

Heiress said:

Anxiety said:



this is SO not true. or else i know some downright heathens. lol


wave Heathen over here!


you're in good company!

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Reply #26 posted 03/05/05 8:54am

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EvilWhiteMale said:

If Prince had given out Watchtowers at the show I was at, I would have folded it up into a paper airplane and launched the fucker right into his eye.


classy! biggrin
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