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Thread started 03/02/05 7:00pm

Krystal666

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Did Emancipation have to be three CD's?

Seriously why did Prince put so many tracks on that album? I think alot of it was unnessary filler. Alot of the songs seem so lazy to me. It sounded like he just layed down a track and then put it on the album. I do like some songs on there though:

Jam of the Year
Let's have a baby
Betcha Bye Golly wow
Holy river
Somebody's Somebody
Sex in the summer
Emancipation
Sleep Around

Those are definatly keepers and I really do like those songs but all the other stuff I think was could of been scratched.
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Reply #1 posted 03/02/05 7:08pm

Anxiety

i made a version of it called "Abbreviation" that i cut down to 12 tracks, and i'm happy listening to that. every now and then i pull out the three disc set just to give some of the stuff a new chance...sometimes i'll find that i like a song or two a little better now than i did in the past.
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Reply #2 posted 03/02/05 8:09pm

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I really got the feeling that he had the idea to do a triple album with each CD being exactly 60 minutes long, and he recorded to fit. Almost like writing to fit a designated space if you're a copywriter.
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Reply #3 posted 03/02/05 10:48pm

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It's not even worth 1 CD
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Reply #4 posted 03/02/05 10:59pm

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'Did Emancipation have to be three CD's?'

No, but that was the point. he was free and could do whatever the fuck he wanted--including releasing a 3 disc album to a bunch of bitching and moaning fans who wouldn't realize that the album was still far and away a more dense, diverse, and well crafted "pop" album than most others would dare to release.

Emancipation is odd, because it went from ultra beloved (c'mon don't front most of you dug it HARD when it came out) to the hip thing to shit on. There are a bunch of great songs on that album. Songs that could run with any of what is considered "his best." Joint 2 Joint, Face Down, The Love We Make, Sex in the Summer,etc. Catchy, funky,inspired tunes are abound. I think if he'd have switched up some of the instruments he used on it (ie not Kirky J's programming) people would like it better. The actual songs are good-the production seems to let people down.

If he'd would've released it as a single disc and used the rest as b-sides etc, people would be falling over themselves with it.
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Reply #5 posted 03/02/05 11:29pm

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Doozer said:

I really got the feeling that he had the idea to do a triple album with each CD being exactly 60 minutes long, and he recorded to fit. Almost like writing to fit a designated space if you're a copywriter.


Exactly. There was something about a theme for the whole album, I think he mentioned this in a couple of interviews (although in a very cryptic way, as usual). It was something about Egypt, and about the pyramids - which are very symmetrically constructed, and somehow influenced the structure of the album.
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Reply #6 posted 03/03/05 12:05am

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skywalker said:

'Did Emancipation have to be three CD's?'

No, but that was the point. he was free and could do whatever the fuck he wanted--including releasing a 3 disc album to a bunch of bitching and moaning fans who wouldn't realize that the album was still far and away a more dense, diverse, and well crafted "pop" album than most others would dare to release.

Emancipation is odd, because it went from ultra beloved (c'mon don't front most of you dug it HARD when it came out) to the hip thing to shit on. There are a bunch of great songs on that album. Songs that could run with any of what is considered "his best." Joint 2 Joint, Face Down, The Love We Make, Sex in the Summer,etc. Catchy, funky,inspired tunes are abound. I think if he'd have switched up some of the instruments he used on it (ie not Kirky J's programming) people would like it better. The actual songs are good-the production seems to let people down.

If he'd would've released it as a single disc and used the rest as b-sides etc, people would be falling over themselves with it.


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Reply #7 posted 03/03/05 5:38am

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I think Emancipation was an amazing artistic success and I am constantly bemused by people's negative reactions to it.

What's even more bizarre is that over half the songs Krystal has listed as the "keepers" are actually, IMO, the weakest tracks on the album!!

You know, some "artists" only release 3 cds in their entire career, let alone as one single, new (ie not a greatest hits collection) release!
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Reply #8 posted 03/03/05 6:28am

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Emancipation was a statement of just how prolific Prince is. Personally, I love the whole album, with the exception of that one song with Scrap Doodle.
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Reply #9 posted 03/03/05 8:54am

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skywalker said:

'Did Emancipation have to be three CD's?'
If he'd would've released it as a single disc and used the rest as b-sides etc, people would be falling over themselves with it.


Problem was he couldn't release it as a single disc because he was still under contract with Warner Bros. If he had wanted to release it as a single disc WB would have had first rights to it.Thats one reason Emancipation is 3 discs. WB had no claim on a three disc set. A single disc yes - a triple disc no.
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Reply #10 posted 03/03/05 10:50am

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Krystal666 said:

Seriously why did Prince put so many tracks on that album? I think alot of it was unnessary filler. Alot of the songs seem so lazy to me. It sounded like he just layed down a track and then put it on the album. I do like some songs on there though:

Jam of the Year
Let's have a baby
Betcha Bye Golly wow
Holy river
Somebody's Somebody
Sex in the summer
Emancipation
Sleep Around

Those are definatly keepers and I really do like those songs but all the other stuff I think was could of been scratched.


If those are the only songs that you like from the album, then yeah, Prince should've made it 3 discs.
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Reply #11 posted 03/03/05 3:10pm

neontelephone

why complain about it being 3 cd for. There is only one throw away track and that is DA DA DA!!!!!
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Reply #12 posted 03/03/05 3:20pm

PurpleKnight

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Some songs are tainted or completely ruined by Kirky J's cold, plastic drum programming, while others sound like Prince quickly recorded them just to fill up the right amount of space on the album.

There are some real gems on it though, no doubt about it. Prince was really inspired in a lot of the songs.
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Reply #13 posted 03/03/05 3:39pm

Anxiety

neontelephone said:

why complain about it being 3 cd for. There is only one throw away track and that is DA DA DA!!!!!


i like 'da, da, da'. boxed

there's a LOT of it though - especially on disc II - that i don't like.
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Reply #14 posted 03/03/05 4:07pm

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Yes godd@!*#@!!! And its ALLLL beautiful!!! Except for WE GETS UP, most of DAMN IF I DO, BETCHA BY GOLLY WOW and maybe JAM OF THE YEAR! The rest is awesome so nah!!!
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Reply #15 posted 03/03/05 4:10pm

Anxiety

everyone always lists really different songs that they like and don't like from emancipation, i've noticed. i think that says really good things about the album overall, regardless of what we like and don't like on it.
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Reply #16 posted 03/03/05 4:16pm

endorphin74

I think I could bust it down to a 2 disc set, personally. But I will never complain about the release. that set had my head spinning for months after it's release. Joint 2 Joint remains one of my all-time fave tracks to this day nod
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Reply #17 posted 03/03/05 4:19pm

Anxiety

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I think I could bust it down to a 2 disc set, personally. But I will never complain about the release. that set had my head spinning for months after it's release. Joint 2 Joint remains one of my all-time fave tracks to this day nod


see, i didn't like that track at all until maybe last spring or last summer, when i gave it a listen with fresh ears and realized what an interesting track it was. i think there are all kinds of little time-release gems in prince's music for folks - it's just a matter of being receptive to them when you're ready to hear 'em. if that makes any sense.
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Reply #18 posted 03/03/05 4:24pm

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endorphin74 said:

I think I could bust it down to a 2 disc set, personally. But I will never complain about the release. that set had my head spinning for months after it's release. Joint 2 Joint remains one of my all-time fave tracks to this day nod


see, i didn't like that track at all until maybe last spring or last summer, when i gave it a listen with fresh ears and realized what an interesting track it was. i think there are all kinds of little time-release gems in prince's music for folks - it's just a matter of being receptive to them when you're ready to hear 'em. if that makes any sense.


Does that mean when I'm like 50 or something I may finally be able to appreciate Mr Happy? That scares me. I must throw away that CD before it happens.




Seriously, though. Different album, but I HATED "The Morning Papers" until about 3 years ago. Now I really dig that song. I love when that happens.
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Reply #19 posted 03/03/05 4:33pm

Pagey

I love Emancipation...however I do think it would've been a great 2 CD set...there are a few tunes that are pretty weak. Mr Happy, Get Yo Groove On, We Gets Up, Emancipation, Betcha By Golly, and a few others suck. But on the other hand there are some real classic moments on here too...Face Down, Joint 2 Joint, Holy River, Savior, The Love We Make, Sex In The Summer, Sleep Around, Right Back Here In My Arms...so many more.

It wouldn't have been as good as SOTT or 1999...but I think if he edited it down to a double CD...it would rank higher on my list than it currently sits.
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Reply #20 posted 03/03/05 4:48pm

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Anxiety said:

i made a version of it called "Abbreviation" that i cut down to 12 tracks...



lol


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Reply #21 posted 03/03/05 4:51pm

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Krystal666 said:

Seriously why did Prince put so many tracks on that album? I think alot of it was unnessary filler. Alot of the songs seem so lazy to me. It sounded like he just layed down a track and then put it on the album. I do like some songs on there though:

Jam of the Year
Let's have a baby
Betcha Bye Golly wow
Holy river
Somebody's Somebody
Sex in the summer
Emancipation
Sleep Around

Those are definatly keepers and I really do like those songs but all the other stuff I think was could of been scratched.


true enough, those are good cuts, but please take into account "the love we make", cos frankly, i think this is a fucking amazing cut

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Reply #22 posted 03/04/05 12:35am

DavidEye

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I love Emancipation...however I do think it would've been a great 2 CD set...there are a few tunes that are pretty weak. Mr Happy, Get Yo Groove On, We Gets Up, Emancipation, Betcha By Golly, and a few others suck.
It wouldn't have been as good as SOTT or 1999...but I think if he edited it down to a double CD...it would rank higher on my list than it currently sits.



I totally agree.A 2-CD set would have worked so much better.
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Reply #23 posted 03/04/05 12:36am

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neontelephone said:

why complain about it being 3 cd for. There is only one throw away track and that is DA DA DA!!!!!



So you actually like "We Gets Up"? confuse
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Reply #24 posted 03/04/05 12:44am

calin

Maybe some of the songs on Emancipation are too long but this is one of his best creations ever. IMHO.
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Reply #25 posted 03/04/05 8:19am

Novabreaker

I listened to it on Tuesday and it's amazing for the most part. I personally don't care for the surypy ballads but c'mon... the songwriting on that record is very strong overall. He's also experimenting on many tracks a great deal.
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Reply #26 posted 03/04/05 8:27am

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Anxiety said:

neontelephone said:

why complain about it being 3 cd for. There is only one throw away track and that is DA DA DA!!!!!


there's a LOT of it though - especially on disc II - that i don't like.


Oh c'mon, disc 2 is the best one!
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I don't mind that it was 3 CDs, something for everybody biggrin
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Reply #27 posted 03/04/05 8:37am

Pagey

thekidsgirl said:

Anxiety said:



there's a LOT of it though - especially on disc II - that i don't like.


Oh c'mon, disc 2 is the best one!
all that Mayte worship now thats love cloud9

I don't mind that it was 3 CDs, something for everybody biggrin


Disc 2 is my favorite too.
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Reply #28 posted 03/04/05 8:48am

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Pagey said:

thekidsgirl said:



Oh c'mon, disc 2 is the best one!
all that Mayte worship now thats love cloud9

I don't mind that it was 3 CDs, something for everybody biggrin


Disc 2 is my favorite too.


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Reply #29 posted 03/04/05 8:52am

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