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Printabledevilstwin said: There was a time when Prince seemed to be about to do something which would change the direction of Pop Music forever (a category to which he must belong due to his general blending of 'popular music styles') - after SOT, after Lovesexy, he seemed to be on course to produce a Massive Innovation (like the General Theory Of Relativity in music terms) Then suddenly,too suddenly, he lost his way. He took a backward step with Graffiti Bridge. Then another with Batman which sounds at times like him trying to make Lovesexy more 'rocky'. Suddenly he is self cannabalizing, mining ideas he has already had instead of plunging headlong in to the abyss. Everything since sounds like a rehash of somebody elses idea - queenlike operatic rock of The Symbol album, to poppy mainstream jazz of TRC. It is just not good enough for someone who wishes to be perceived as a Genius. He ceased to create the new, just to rehash the old.
He was on the edge of being a Genius, now he is just in the foothills of mediocrity Prince IS a genius. Noone can deny that. Anyone who can play as many instruments as he does and write the songs that he has cannot be considered anything but. If it hadn't been decided before that point in time, when Prince omitted the bass line in When Doves Cry he officially became a genius. That being said, yes the man has watered down the quality over the years. Part of that is because he burned so brightly early on, I believe, didn't give himself as many directions to go in because he had already accomplished so much so early. And the man can't market worth crap, even though it seems like he has learned something over the last couple of years about self-promotion (the man thing was just to expose himself to the masses and they would come to him---they just had to know that he wanted him.) You cannot lose genius, so establishing the man's musical intellect let me give you my theory of why I get disappointed in the man from time to time. Prince is like my Matt Damon in Good Will Hunting. I know what he can do. I know just how good he is when he pours his heart into a project and I know that he has unlimited potential. But sometimes I have been like the Ben Affleck character, wondering why the man was slumming around when he could have been soaring. As I said in another thread I had about diappointments in Prince's career, there is no reason or excuse that any Prince album should go less than Platinum and certainly not less than Gold. But when P. brings his C game instead of his A game, can I blame the crowd for not showing up? The end of Good Will, when Affleck goes to Damon' house and he is not there (in not so many words, Damon got off his ass and went and did something); that is how I feel when in Prince succeeds. That sense of pride knowing my mediocre ass could never accomplish anything close to the levels of success Prince can reach but that I'm backing a winning horse, someone who is worthy of the time I have spent defending and following and enjoying. Prince is and always will be a genius...but he will often disappoint because we know just how much he is capable of. All good things they say never last... | |
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sosgemini said: im not appreciating some of the attitude up on this thread...
the guys states his opinion and asks for a responce...why do people have to get all diffence and take the shit personal? just respond with your own views, welcome a new participant to the forum and *gasp* actually debate the validity of the comments.... sans the bullshit. you're still not quite in tune with this forum, sos. | |
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GottaLetitgo said: devilstwin said: There was a time when Prince seemed to be about to do something which would change the direction of Pop Music forever (a category to which he must belong due to his general blending of 'popular music styles') - after SOT, after Lovesexy, he seemed to be on course to produce a Massive Innovation (like the General Theory Of Relativity in music terms) Then suddenly,too suddenly, he lost his way. He took a backward step with Graffiti Bridge. Then another with Batman which sounds at times like him trying to make Lovesexy more 'rocky'. Suddenly he is self cannabalizing, mining ideas he has already had instead of plunging headlong in to the abyss. Everything since sounds like a rehash of somebody elses idea - queenlike operatic rock of The Symbol album, to poppy mainstream jazz of TRC. It is just not good enough for someone who wishes to be perceived as a Genius. He ceased to create the new, just to rehash the old.
He was on the edge of being a Genius, now he is just in the foothills of mediocrity Reading that back, I spotted about 10 typos in that post...I have to start previewing posts more before I send them! Prince IS a genius. Noone can deny that. Anyone who can play as many instruments as he does and write the songs that he has cannot be considered anything but. If it hadn't been decided before that point in time, when Prince omitted the bass line in When Doves Cry he officially became a genius. That being said, yes the man has watered down the quality over the years. Part of that is because he burned so brightly early on, I believe, didn't give himself as many directions to go in because he had already accomplished so much so early. And the man can't market worth crap, even though it seems like he has learned something over the last couple of years about self-promotion (the man thing was just to expose himself to the masses and they would come to him---they just had to know that he wanted him.) You cannot lose genius, so establishing the man's musical intellect let me give you my theory of why I get disappointed in the man from time to time. Prince is like my Matt Damon in Good Will Hunting. I know what he can do. I know just how good he is when he pours his heart into a project and I know that he has unlimited potential. But sometimes I have been like the Ben Affleck character, wondering why the man was slumming around when he could have been soaring. As I said in another thread I had about diappointments in Prince's career, there is no reason or excuse that any Prince album should go less than Platinum and certainly not less than Gold. But when P. brings his C game instead of his A game, can I blame the crowd for not showing up? The end of Good Will, when Affleck goes to Damon' house and he is not there (in not so many words, Damon got off his ass and went and did something); that is how I feel when in Prince succeeds. That sense of pride knowing my mediocre ass could never accomplish anything close to the levels of success Prince can reach but that I'm backing a winning horse, someone who is worthy of the time I have spent defending and following and enjoying. Prince is and always will be a genius...but he will often disappoint because we know just how much he is capable of.  All good things they say never last... | |
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sosgemini said: im not appreciating some of the attitude up on this thread...
the guys states his opinion and asks for a responce...why do people have to get all diffence and take the shit personal? just respond with your own views, welcome a new participant to the forum and *gasp* actually debate the validity of the comments.... sans the bullshit. Calm down. It is just because there have been 7 billion topics before like this one. Sometimes we would like something  !Il n'y a pas de sentiment plus exaltant que celui d'appartenir à une nation si diverse, si libre et si douée pour le bonheur. | |
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sosgemini said: im not appreciating some of the attitude up on this thread...
the guys states his opinion and asks for a responce...why do people have to get all diffence and take the shit personal? just respond with your own views, welcome a new participant to the forum and *gasp* actually debate the validity of the comments.... sans the bullshit. I thought that's what folks have pretty much been doing. The Mistress the ultimate oh motherfucker she's so motherfucking bad machine | |
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People sometimes under value what I think 'Genius' means - to me it means that you shape future directions taked by other people in the future. If you like, you legislate for the future direction of music. To me Prince has not achieved that. But he may still be able to . | |
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Handclapsfingasnapz said: sosgemini said: im not appreciating some of the attitude up on this thread...
the guys states his opinion and asks for a responce...why do people have to get all diffence and take the shit personal? just respond with your own views, welcome a new participant to the forum and *gasp* actually debate the validity of the comments.... sans the bullshit. you're still not quite in tune with this forum, sos. i dont care...just cause some of you all have been here before the jurrasic era doesnt justify being asses....you can make the same point in a way that encourages others to actually feel welcome. Space for sale... | |
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GottaLetitgo said:[quote]GottaLetitgo said:[quote]
Reading that back, I spotted about 10 typos in that post...I have to start previewing posts more before I send them! I meant typos in my post, not in devilsown...aww, forget it. All good things they say never last... | |
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sosgemini said: Handclapsfingasnapz said: you're still not quite in tune with this forum, sos. i dont care...just cause some of you all have been here before the jurrasic era doesnt justify being asses....you can make the same point in a way that encourages others to actually feel welcome.  | |
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im not appreciating some of the attitude up on this thread... the guys states his opinion and asks for a responce...why do people have to get all diffence and take the shit personal? just respond with your own views, welcome a new participant to the forum and *gasp* actually debate the validity of the comments.... sans the bullshit. Thanks, I'm not saying that Prince hasn't been brilliant, he has, I just feel a little let down. It's like he hasn't fulfilled his promise... yet | |
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sosgemini said: Handclapsfingasnapz said: you're still not quite in tune with this forum, sos. i dont care...just cause some of you all have been here before the jurrasic era doesnt justify being asses....you can make the same point in a way that encourages others to actually feel welcome. Wow, sos. Who's being an ass? The guy comes on with a valid question, sure, although he's clearly trying to bait people one way or the other, and so far we haven't had anyone name-calling, or saying "you're stupid if you don't think Prince is the most genius of all geniuses!" etc. Why are you jumping in and calling people asses? The Mistress the ultimate oh motherfucker she's so motherfucking bad machine | |
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devilstwin said: People sometimes under value what I think 'Genius' means - to me it means that you shape future directions taked by other people in the future. If you like, you legislate for the future direction of music. To me Prince has not achieved that. But he may still be able to .
The definition of genius is to have extraspecial intellectual or artistic abilities. There are plenty of geniuses that nobody will never know about. Miles davis in his book talks about the most amazing pianist he has ever listened to who died at the age of 25 in a bar in a shithole. Do you know the guy's name ? NO...But for Miles Davis he was an absolute genius. Now regarding prince's influence over music...uhm You should listen to Outkast, Gwen Stefani, Alicia Keys...I mean mostly all the artists who matter today...They do not even try to deny prince's influence. Il n'y a pas de sentiment plus exaltant que celui d'appartenir à une nation si diverse, si libre et si douée pour le bonheur. | |
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TheMistress said: sosgemini said: i dont care...just cause some of you all have been here before the jurrasic era doesnt justify being asses....you can make the same point in a way that encourages others to actually feel welcome. Wow, sos. Who's being an ass? The guy comes on with a valid question, sure, although he's clearly trying to bait people one way or the other, and so far we haven't had anyone name-calling, or saying "you're stupid if you don't think Prince is the most genius of all geniuses!" etc. Why are you jumping in and calling people asses? did you not see the "tit" comment? or the cute lil photoshop pics? those werent kneejerk responces? and just how is his initial statement bait? did he belittle others views for disagreeing? did he taunt those with an opposing view to speak up? did he make the topic personal by saying those who disagree are stupid? Space for sale... | |
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Prince IS a genius. Noone can deny that. Anyone who can play as many instruments as he does and write the songs that he has cannot be considered anything but. If it hadn't been decided before that point in time, when Prince omitted the bass line in When Doves Cry he officially became a genius. That being said, yes the man has watered down the quality over the years. Part of that is because he burned so brightly early on, I believe, didn't give himself as many directions to go in because he had already accomplished so much so early. And the man can't market worth crap, even though it seems like he has learned something over the last couple of years about self-promotion (the man thing was just to expose himself to the masses and they would come to him---they just had to know that he wanted him.) You cannot lose genius, so establishing the man's musical intellect let me give you my theory of why I get disappointed in the man from time to time.
Prince is like my Matt Damon in Good Will Hunting. I know what he can do. I know just how good he is when he pours his heart into a project and I know that he has unlimited potential. But sometimes I have been like the Ben Affleck character, wondering why the man was slumming around when he could have been soaring. As I said in another thread I had about diappointments in Prince's career, there is no reason or excuse that any Prince album should go less than Platinum and certainly not less than Gold. But when P. brings his C game instead of his A game, can I blame the crowd for not showing up? The end of Good Will, when Affleck goes to Damon' house and he is not there (in not so many words, Damon got off his ass and went and did something); that is how I feel when in Prince succeeds. That sense of pride knowing my mediocre ass could never accomplish anything close to the levels of success Prince can reach but that I'm backing a winning horse, someone who is worthy of the time I have spent defending and following and enjoying. Prince is and always will be a genius...but he will often disappoint because we know just how much he is capable of. Yes Prince is incredibly gifted noone will dispute that but when people, if they do, listed to his music in the future, it will be down to the quality of the compositions, the freshness, the inspirational and creativity of them | |
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devilstwin said: sosgemini said:
im not appreciating some of the attitude up on this thread... the guys states his opinion and asks for a responce...why do people have to get all diffence and take the shit personal? just respond with your own views, welcome a new participant to the forum and *gasp* actually debate the validity of the comments.... sans the bullshit. Thanks, I'm not saying that Prince hasn't been brilliant, he has, I just feel a little let down. It's like he hasn't fulfilled his promise... yet When did P make a promise to you? Mine must have gotten lost in the mail.  | |
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OdysseyMiles said: devilstwin said: Thanks, I'm not saying that Prince hasn't been brilliant, he has, I just feel a little let down. It's like he hasn't fulfilled his promise... yet When did P make a promise to you? Mine must have gotten lost in the mail. he put it in someone else's box... | |
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sosgemini said: TheMistress said: Wow, sos. Who's being an ass? The guy comes on with a valid question, sure, although he's clearly trying to bait people one way or the other, and so far we haven't had anyone name-calling, or saying "you're stupid if you don't think Prince is the most genius of all geniuses!" etc. Why are you jumping in and calling people asses? did you not see the "tit" comment? or the cute lil photoshop pics? those werent kneejerk responces? and just how is his initial statement bait? did he belittle others views for disagreeing? did he taunt those with an opposing view to speak up? did he make the topic personal by saying those who disagree are stupid? I put up the first photoshop picture. I was poking fun, and if that's being an ass, so be it. The topic is worded very strongly, in a way designed to get attention from fans, most of whom regard Prince as a genius. Devilstwin then says he's merely asking a question, but the thread title is "Prince has lost the right to be called a genius." That's a strong statement, and you have to expect strong reactions. I don't think any of those reactions have justified saying we're behaving like asses. The Mistress the ultimate oh motherfucker she's so motherfucking bad machine | |
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sosgemini said: TheMistress said: Wow, sos. Who's being an ass? The guy comes on with a valid question, sure, although he's clearly trying to bait people one way or the other, and so far we haven't had anyone name-calling, or saying "you're stupid if you don't think Prince is the most genius of all geniuses!" etc. Why are you jumping in and calling people asses? did you not see the "tit" comment? or the cute lil photoshop pics? those werent kneejerk responces? and just how is his initial statement bait? did he belittle others views for disagreeing? did he taunt those with an opposing view to speak up? did he make the topic personal by saying those who disagree are stupid? sugarcoating won't help, either. | |
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devilstwin said: Thanks, I'm not saying that Prince hasn't been brilliant, he has, I just feel a little let down. It's like he hasn't fulfilled his promise... yet When did P make a promise to you? Mine must have gotten lost in the mail. He did say 'What's the use of money if ain't gonna break the mold' That mold is still stuck to him pretty tight | |
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devilstwin said: He did say 'What's the use of money if ain't gonna break the mold'
That mold is still stuck to him pretty tight that ain't a promise, it's a mere lyric... | |
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Handclapsfingasnapz said: OdysseyMiles said: When did P make a promise to you? Mine must have gotten lost in the mail. he put it in someone else's box...
Batum-tsh!! | |
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Handclapsfingasnapz said: sosgemini said: did you not see the "tit" comment? or the cute lil photoshop pics? those werent kneejerk responces? and just how is his initial statement bait? did he belittle others views for disagreeing? did he taunt those with an opposing view to speak up? did he make the topic personal by saying those who disagree are stupid? sugarcoating won't help, either. 
i posted a comment and it didnt go through..errr anyways, short version is this: if you think a topic has been done to death why post on it? it just bumps the thread..why not just let it die fast in the hell called second page? or is it that you prefer being arses? you cant resist to make yourself feel better by putting someone down? come on? which is it?  [Edited 2/24/05 12:46pm] Space for sale... | |
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sosgemini said: Handclapsfingasnapz said: sugarcoating won't help, either.
i posted a comment and it didnt go through..errr anyways, short version is this: if you think a topic has been done to death why post on it? it just bumps the thread..why not just let it die fast in the hell called second page? or is it that you prefer being arses? you cant resist to make yourself feel better by putting someone down? come on? which is it?
[Edited 2/24/05 12:46pm] I don't like this. It's like Jesus versus God.  | |
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Number23 said: I don't like this. It's like Jesus versus God.
sez the cat with the jesus avvie...btw, why do you still have your santa hat on?  | |
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sosgemini said: Handclapsfingasnapz said: sugarcoating won't help, either.
i posted a comment and it didnt go through..errr anyways, short version is this: if you think a topic has been done to death why post on it? it just bumps the thread..why not just let it die fast in the hell called second page? or is it that you prefer being arses? you cant resist to make yourself feel better by putting someone down? come on? which is it?
[Edited 2/24/05 12:46pm] But that's my point: for the most part, folks are staying on topic instead of putting the guy down. The Mistress the ultimate oh motherfucker she's so motherfucking bad machine | |
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Handclapsfingasnapz said: Number23 said: I don't like this. It's like Jesus versus God.
sez the cat with the jesus avvie...btw, why do you still have your santa hat on? 
A coupla reasons, D. The first being I'm smitten with the visual oxymoron it conveys so cheekily, such as a picture of Muhammed wearing lipstick and a feather boa. The second being, I'm very lazy. Anyway, you'd both be banned nowif I was a mod. Keep your beef to orgnotes in the future.
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TheMistress said: sosgemini said:
i posted a comment and it didnt go through..errr anyways, short version is this: if you think a topic has been done to death why post on it? it just bumps the thread..why not just let it die fast in the hell called second page? or is it that you prefer being arses? you cant resist to make yourself feel better by putting someone down? come on? which is it?
[Edited 2/24/05 12:46pm] But that's my point: for the most part, folks are staying on topic instead of putting the guy down. ohhh, so calling him a "tit" isnt a put down? and what about the pics you and dansa posted? can you remove yourself from the situation for a second and see how those comments could be considered rude? Space for sale... | |
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Number23 said: Handclapsfingasnapz said: sez the cat with the jesus avvie...btw, why do you still have your santa hat on?
A coupla reasons, D. The first being I'm smitten with the visual oxymoron it conveys so cheekily, such as a picture of Muhammed wearing lipstick and a feather boa. The second being, I'm very lazy. Anyway, you'd both be banned nowif I was a mod. Keep your beef to orgnotes in the future.
By the way, will you be around in a few minutes? I'm hoping to debut my new avatar tonight. Puleese. dansa, my org powers dont work here..can you ban this guy? FOREVER!!!!! Space for sale... | |
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sosgemini said: TheMistress said: But that's my point: for the most part, folks are staying on topic instead of putting the guy down. ohhh, so calling him a "tit" isnt a put down? and what about the pics you and dansa posted? can you remove yourself from the situation for a second and see how those comments could be considered rude? Yeah, sure I can. But so what? Not to be a dickhead, but we're often rude. It's nothing new, it's all in good fun, and it's nothing to get all panty-twisted over. The Mistress the ultimate oh motherfucker she's so motherfucking bad machine | |
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