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Bob George on Lovesexy tour Why do you think Prince choose to preform Bob George on the lovesexy tour? Since he scratched the whole Black album because it was "evil" and the "devil's work" or whatever he felt about it, it just seems like an odd choice to do this song so soon after he aborted the album on his tour. Don't get me wrong-I love Bob George I think it is a cool song it is kinda scary but cool-I just find it interesting he choose to preform it. | |
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I imagine he performed that,Superfunkicalifragisexi and other explicit songs to show the audience where the carnal road would take them.The character in Bob George went to the point of no return. After reaching the end his rope Prince/Camille realises that only God can fill the void in his life.That's what made the performances of Anna Stesia that followed it even more powerful. | |
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sitruk7 said: I imagine he performed that,Superfunkicalifragisexi and other explicit songs to show the audience where the carnal road would take them.The character in Bob George went to the point of no return. After reaching the end his rope Prince/Camille realises that only God can fill the void in his life.That's what made the performances of Anna Stesia that followed it even more powerful.
Wow! Interesting theory. I never thought of that before.  | |
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I don't think Prince hated the songs on the Black album. After all, he's played Bob/George and Superfunkcalifragisexy on the Lovesexy tour, and 2 Nigs United 4 West Compton on the ONA Live aftershow disc, When 2 R in Love is on the Lovesexy album, and he's just put Cindy C up in the Glam Slam room of NPGMC!
He just didn't think the album was representative of where he was at that point. It was like his dark side and he decided he'd rather be seen by Lovesexy his light, spiritual side. In the context of the tour, the first half was about lust and debauchery, so the Black album songs fitted nicely into that - the second half was about spiritual redemption, hence more of the Lovesexy songs. Really he should have released Lovesexy and The Black album as a 2 disc set but maybe he was worried he couldn't control the journey, some people would have started on the light side and headed towards the dark side instead! | |
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metalorange said: I don't think Prince hated the songs on the Black album. After all, he's played Bob/George and Superfunkcalifragisexy on the Lovesexy tour, and 2 Nigs United 4 West Compton on the ONA Live aftershow disc, When 2 R in Love is on the Lovesexy album, and he's just put Cindy C up in the Glam Slam room of NPGMC!
He just didn't think the album was representative of where he was at that point. It was like his dark side and he decided he'd rather be seen by Lovesexy his light, spiritual side. In the context of the tour, the first half was about lust and debauchery, so the Black album songs fitted nicely into that - the second half was about spiritual redemption, hence more of the Lovesexy songs. Really he should have released Lovesexy and The Black album as a 2 disc set but maybe he was worried he couldn't control the journey, some people would have started on the light side and headed towards the dark side instead! Interesting comment. But to say something about your quote in bold, I think that releasing The Black Album and LoveSexy would've been a great idea, because I enjoy them both, but if Prince was worried about people listening to it from right-to-wrong, or, light-to-dark, if you will, my original thought would be for Prince to put both album's material onto one disc and make it one track, that way it'd be a 16 song, 1-track CD (like LoveSexy was minus the other 7 tracks) (and of course, When 2 R In Love was only counted once), but I counted the times, and that idea went nowhere because the entire thing would run 83 minutes, so it'd have to be on 2 seperate discs, so why not release both albums as a double disc (like Sign O' The Times) but in the booklet, write to the consumer that the album was meant to be listened to left-to-right, or, like I said, dark-to-light (sexual debauchery-to-spiritual redemption), like he wrote in the Chaos booklet: "Intended 4 private use only". Man, that was a long sentence! | |
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Wow. So many interesting comments so far. But if Prince has gone from dark to light in his life/work during 87-88 isn't it kinda odd that he seemed ot go way back to sexual debautry/materialism/leading a barley spiritual lifestyple during the diamonds & Pearls-  era? I mean Gangsta Glam anyone? Rolling around in big cars, nightclubbing with the game boys is not what I call enlighting or introspective. It is werid how right after Grafitti Bridge which is pretty spiritual-he did a complete 180 and went super mainstreem. | |
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Prince said it was a tale of redemption.
The show was clearly two distinctive parts. The Fall of the character from Erotic City through to Bob George. The narative in the first half was about money and lust ("I'll give you anything your heart desires baby!"). Eventually, he is killed in Bob George, and we get a heavenly ending with Annastasia. But the alternative route is Lovesexy. Beginning with "Cross the Line". The feeling you get when you fall in love, not with a boy or a girl but the heavens above! . |
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metalorange said: Really he should have released Lovesexy and The Black album as a 2 disc set but maybe he was worried he couldn't control the journey, some people would have started on the light side and headed towards the dark side instead!
Word is bond, I have thought that for several years, and even wrote a paper in college about Manichean thought and the potential concept of Lovesexy and Black as a dual album. I think it would have been the apex of his conceptual struggle with the profound and the profane, the spiritual and the sexual. That was his calling card during the 80's, his most successful period. But he wouldn't have done it, and WB would have likely balked at the thought of a 3rd double album in 6 years. Great post. Good night, sweet Prince | 7 June 1958 - 21 April 2016
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Krystal666 said: sitruk7 said: I imagine he performed that,Superfunkicalifragisexi and other explicit songs to show the audience where the carnal road would take them.The character in Bob George went to the point of no return. After reaching the end his rope Prince/Camille realises that only God can fill the void in his life.That's what made the performances of Anna Stesia that followed it even more powerful.
Wow! Interesting theory. I never thought of that before. Well, that was the whole concept of the Lovesexy Tour. The first half was to show where he was with sin and all, and then came the redemption, the second half. | |
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Krystal666 said: Wow. So many interesting comments so far. But if Prince has gone from dark to light in his life/work during 87-88 isn't it kinda odd that he seemed ot go way back to sexual debautry/materialism/leading a barley spiritual lifestyple during the diamonds & Pearls-
era? I mean Gangsta Glam anyone? Rolling around in big cars, nightclubbing with the game boys is not what I call enlighting or introspective. It is werid how right after Grafitti Bridge which is pretty spiritual-he did a complete 180 and went super mainstreem.That's a really good point. You could argue he abandoned spirtuality and only re-found it in recent years - but really, I would prefer to think that as a musician and artist he didn't let his spirituality lead him into a musical dead end where he forbid himself to create a certain type of song, he took on new challenges and explored new themes. I mean, Sign O The Times wasn't exactly a spiritual-filled follow up to Lovesexy, was it? When you think about it, Lovesexy wasn't completely spiritual either, you have Alphabet St. and Glam Slam which are quite lustful songs. There was a definite exploration/indulgence of his ego during the whole Diamonds & Pearls/Symbol album, with songs like Daddy Pop, My Name Is Prince and Sexy MF, but at the same time there has always been more spiritual songs like Live 4 Love and 7. I think the result of the dark/light period was in learning to live more healthily with both those sides to his nature - producing albums that were both a little bit Lovesexy and a little bit Black album. [Edited 2/27/05 3:46am] | |
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metalorange said: That's a really good point. You could argue he abandoned spirtuality and only re-found it in recent years - but really, I would prefer to think that as a musician and artist he didn't let his spirituality lead him into a musical dead end where he forbid himself to create a certain type of song, he took on new challenges and explored new themes. I mean, Sign O The Times wasn't exactly a spiritual-filled follow up to Lovesexy, was it?
Don't you mean the Batman soundtrack? And no, it wasn't completely spiritual. When you think about it, Lovesexy wasn't completely spiritual either, you have Alphabet St. and Glam Slam which are quite lustful songs.
Yes, but I think I read somewhere (?) or saw in an interview (I think the Beautiful Strange one with Mel B. of the former Spice Girls) that Prince said nothing was completely spiritual or sexual. He said he always wanted to fuse the two because those were both important elements in life. So on the matter of LoveSexy, it's true that the whole thing wasn't spiritual, but at the same time, not every song professed sex. But the overall messge to the album was to love God. Personally, I think Prince changes his mind too much. I saw in the Chris Rock interview that he said he thought he would never belong to any organized religion, and this was back in 1997. Now look at him. And on the subject of what he said above... look at his music nowadays. Nothing even remotely sexual, taken over by not spirituality, but overdone with religiousity. I really did like the music more and respect Prince more when he fused the two, but that's just me. | |
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metalorange said: Krystal666 said: Wow. So many interesting comments so far. But if Prince has gone from dark to light in his life/work during 87-88 isn't it kinda odd that he seemed ot go way back to sexual debautry/materialism/leading a barley spiritual lifestyple during the diamonds & Pearls-
era? I mean Gangsta Glam anyone? Rolling around in big cars, nightclubbing with the game boys is not what I call enlighting or introspective. It is werid how right after Grafitti Bridge which is pretty spiritual-he did a complete 180 and went super mainstreem.That's a really good point. You could argue he abandoned spirtuality and only re-found it in recent years - but really, I would prefer to think that as a musician and artist he didn't let his spirituality lead him into a musical dead end where he forbid himself to create a certain type of song, he took on new challenges and explored new themes. I mean, Sign O The Times wasn't exactly a spiritual-filled follow up to Lovesexy, was it? When you think about it, Lovesexy wasn't completely spiritual either, you have Alphabet St. and Glam Slam which are quite lustful songs. There was a definite exploration/indulgence of his ego during the whole Diamonds & Pearls/Symbol album, with songs like Daddy Pop, My Name Is Prince and Sexy MF, but at the same time there has always been more spiritual songs like Live 4 Love and 7. I think the result of the dark/light period was in learning to live more healthily with both those sides to his nature - producing albums that were both a little bit Lovesexy and a little bit Black album. [Edited 2/27/05 3:46am]  Well thought out AND well said! | |
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PurpleMusiq8 said:[quote] metalorange said: That's a really good point. You could argue he abandoned spirtuality and only re-found it in recent years - but really, I would prefer to think that as a musician and artist he didn't let his spirituality lead him into a musical dead end where he forbid himself to create a certain type of song, he took on new challenges and explored new themes. I mean, Sign O The Times wasn't exactly a spiritual-filled follow up to Lovesexy, was it?
Don't you mean the Batman soundtrack? And no, it wasn't completely spiritual.
Duh, course it was, what was I thinking? Had Sign O The Times on the brain recently... though you would never think that Batman was the follow up to Lovsexy, they're so different, but then most Prince albums are to each other... When you think about it, Lovesexy wasn't completely spiritual either, you have Alphabet St. and Glam Slam which are quite lustful songs.
Yes, but I think I read somewhere (?) or saw in an interview (I think the Beautiful Strange one with Mel B. of the former Spice Girls) that Prince said nothing was completely spiritual or sexual. He said he always wanted to fuse the two because those were both important elements in life. So on the matter of LoveSexy, it's true that the whole thing wasn't spiritual, but at the same time, not every song professed sex. But the overall messge to the album was to love God.
Personally, I think Prince changes his mind too much. I saw in the Chris Rock interview that he said he thought he would never belong to any organized religion, and this was back in 1997. Now look at him. And on the subject of what he said above... look at his music nowadays. Nothing even remotely sexual, taken over by not spirituality, but overdone with religiousity. I really did like the music more and respect Prince more when he fused the two, but that's just me. I wouldn't say he doesn't put out anything remotely sexual - On The Couch from Musicology is a bit sexual, for example - but certainly he's reigned it in recently. Prince changes his mind all the time - but that also means it is likely the way he is now is not the way he will always remain... [Edited 2/27/05 12:08pm] | |
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metalorange said: I wouldn't say he doesn't put out anything remotely sexual - On The Couch from Musicology is a bit sexual, for example - but certainly he's reigned it in recently. Prince changes his mind all the time - but that also means it is likely the way he is now is not the way he will always remain...
That's true. But the line "I wanna go down south" in On The Couch he claimed to not mean a sexual innuendo. He claimed he wanted to go down somewhere in the southern U.S. (I forget the state, but I know I read it somewhere). | |
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metalorange said:[quote] PurpleMusiq8 said: Yes, but I think I read somewhere (?) or saw in an interview (I think the Beautiful Strange one with Mel B. of the former Spice Girls) that Prince said nothing was completely spiritual or sexual. He said he always wanted to fuse the two because those were both important elements in life. So on the matter of LoveSexy, it's true that the whole thing wasn't spiritual, but at the same time, not every song professed sex. But the overall messge to the album was to love God.
Personally, I think Prince changes his mind too much. I saw in the Chris Rock interview that he said he thought he would never belong to any organized religion, and this was back in 1997. Now look at him. And on the subject of what he said above... look at his music nowadays. Nothing even remotely sexual, taken over by not spirituality, but overdone with religiousity. I really did like the music more and respect Prince more when he fused the two, but that's just me. I wouldn't say he doesn't put out anything remotely sexual - On The Couch from Musicology is a bit sexual, for example - but certainly he's reigned it in recently. Prince changes his mind all the time - but that also means it is likely the way he is now is not the way he will always remain... [Edited 2/27/05 12:08pm] Hmmm..but didn't Prince say he thought lust/sex and spirtualiy was one in the same? Like he thought making love/orgasming with a woman was the closest way to share a spritual experince here on earth. I could of swore he said that. That he never seperated spirtuality and sexuality. | |
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PurpleMusiq8 said: metalorange said: I wouldn't say he doesn't put out anything remotely sexual - On The Couch from Musicology is a bit sexual, for example - but certainly he's reigned it in recently. Prince changes his mind all the time - but that also means it is likely the way he is now is not the way he will always remain...
That's true. But the line "I wanna go down south" in On The Couch he claimed to not mean a sexual innuendo. He claimed he wanted to go down somewhere in the southern U.S. (I forget the state, but I know I read it somewhere). He might say that in a jokey way to avoid the issue, but do you really believe it?! How about these lyrics from his most religious album, Mellow from The Rainbow Children: "If u desire I'll shed my attire Anything 2 get u wet... Can I sing 2 u while u bring urself 2 joy? I'll go slow at first, while u quench ur thirst Wet circles round the toy/While u bring urself 2 joy" | |
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