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It's no just singing and dancing. Prince is a better piano player, a better bass player. he knows more about music theory than Hendrix. He is better at writing love verses. So there is lots of things that Prince does better than Hendrix too. As there is lots of things that Hendrix does better too. Prince is not Michael Jackson. Michael Jackson can only sing and dance better than Hendrix, Prince no, he has lot of abilities. It's not that I am biased toward Prince, but you say that our arguments are arguments that only Prince fans would defend, but you seem pretty fanatical about Hendrix, if everything you say is true he was the GOD, the start and end of all music. |
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skywalker said: "Jimi has mystified many and is still doing so long after his passing." Only because he died young. Prince and many others can NOW do what Jimi did on guitar--only because they have lived longer an followed Jimi. I mean, Santana and Clapton are probably better techniquewise than Jimi. Does that make them better or innovative? No. I was never arguing that Prince comes close to Hendrix in GUITAR influence or innovation. However, Prince is a better and more complete all around musician as well as a innovator in popular music. [Edited 2/28/05 13:30pm] People are trying to COPY what Jimi did on guitar and most including Prince have failed miserably. Jesse is closer to "it" than Prince. Prince being a "better and more complete all around musician" is a matter of opinion. Do you mean a more complete multi-instrumentalist? Guitar players are musicians and I don't believe Prince is more complete than Jimi was. This goes back to what I have posted before about fans trying to make Prince out to be better than he is. I've read silly statements like "he's mastered soul, jazz and rock". No he hasn't. He doesn't reign superior in any of those styles - maybe to the uninformed, but not in reality. He BLENDS those styles well to get his sound. That's not to say that he's not good at these styles, but mastered? Nah. I know VERY FEW (only obsessed Prince drones) people who would declare Prince a great soul singer. He's not. As someone pointed out earlier that Jimi doesn't rock harder than say...Pantera; Prince's hardest rock isn't even all that hard in my opinion. Prince has always been more of a blues-rocker, and Prince doesn't rock as hard as Jimi did. He's certainly not neo-classical. Speaking of classical, Prince is no Mozart. Anyone who knows Mozart's work would agree. Most of the Princeheads making those types of statments are just regurgitating media blurbs. But back to Prince and Jimi. How many books, tapes, videos are there analyizing Jimi's works? You think Jimi is only revered as great because he died young? The Big Bopper died young. Frankie valens died young. Nobody calls them the great innovators, although they get props for their work. This conversation is over. You can't possibly be sane. Nobody's making books about Prince's guitar playing. Why? Because it would be a short ass book. There are tapes on hella guitarists; go to any music store (not record store) and you'll see REH instructional tapes and tapes with titles like "Play Like Steve Vai" or Stevie Ray Vaughn (who was also closer to Jimi than Prince on guitar, btw) or great guitarists like Frank Gambale who release instructional series of their own. You can't rationalize someone into greatness. Prince is not the guitarist Jimi was. PERIOD. Prince already has his place in history for other things. Stop trying to big him up above other great artists. He'll NEVER have Jimi's spot for what Jimi did and no one in their right mind is going to give Prince props over Jimi in that respect. As to whose the greater artist? We could go back & forth forever on that, but when asked who has contributed the most to music history overall, the answer is Jimi. | |
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People are trying to COPY what Jimi did on guitar and most including Prince have failed miserably. Jesse is closer to "it" than Prince.
Can you tell me when Prince failed miserably trying to copy Hendrix?. I dont think Prince emulates Hendrix or tries to, on the guitar. Name songs please. Prince was always more of a cliche player than Hendrix, i never saw him trying to put out a little wing, or anything that made me feel he was tryign to copy hendrix. (Besides the covers that were just jams) Prince being a "better and more complete all around musician" is a matter of opinion. Do you mean a more complete multi-instrumentalist? Guitar players are musicians and I don't believe Prince is more complete than Jimi was. I believe. It's just matter of opinion. It's not liek were are comparing Chopin to Kurt CObain, We are comparing two of the most talented popular artists of our time. It is just opinion. This goes back to what I have posted before about fans trying to make Prince out to be better than he is. Or Hendrix fans trying to make him better than he was. (As he was a great singer or more ecletic than he really was) I've read silly statements like "he's mastered soul, jazz and rock". No he hasn't. He doesn't reign superior in any of those styles - maybe to the uninformed, but not in reality. He BLENDS those styles well to get his sound. And he is the better at doing this, others tried to copy him, including Jesse Johnson, but failed miserably. That's not to say that he's not good at these styles, but mastered? Nah. I know VERY FEW (only obsessed Prince drones) people who would declare Prince a great soul singer. He's not. As someone pointed out earlier that Jimi doesn't rock harder than say...Pantera; Prince's hardest rock isn't even all that hard in my opinion. Prince has always been more of a blues-rocker, and Prince doesn't rock as hard as Jimi did. And Jimi does not rock as hard as Pantera, Does that mean something about their talent? NO! He's certainly not neo-classical. Speaking of classical, Prince is no Mozart. Anyone who knows Mozart's work would agree. Most of the Princeheads making those types of statments are just regurgitating media blurbs. People when compare them are not tryign to say Prince does classical music as good as mozart, its that Prince is as good at POP music than mozart in classical music, and they both are masters at what they try to do. Keeping each one proportions But back to Prince and Jimi. How many books, tapes, videos are there analyizing Jimi's works? There is lots of Iron Maidens videos too. And books, analyzing their work. 
That does not mean a shit. They suck. A guy like Nuno bettencourt play circles around them and i never saw books and videos about him You think Jimi is only revered as great because he died young? The Big Bopper died young. Frankie valens died young. Nobody calls them the great innovators, although they get props for their work. This conversation is over. You can't possibly be sane. Nobody's making books about Prince's guitar playing. Why? Because it would be a short ass book. There are tapes on hella guitarists; go to any music store (not record store) and you'll see REH instructional tapes and tapes with titles like "Play Like Steve Vai" or Stevie Ray Vaughn (who was also closer to Jimi than Prince on guitar, btw) or great guitarists like Frank Gambale who release instructional series of their own. Hendrix is better than Prince at guitar. And more inovative, Hendrix was the most important guitar player of all times. Period. But He is not GOD, and Prince has qualities that Hendrix didnt have You can't rationalize someone into greatness. Prince is not the guitarist Jimi was. PERIOD. Prince already has his place in history for other things. Stop trying to big him up above other great artists. He'll NEVER have Jimi's spot for what Jimi did and no one in their right mind is going to give Prince props over Jimi in that respect. As to whose the greater artist? We could go back & forth forever on that, but when asked who has contributed the most to music history overall, the answer is Jimi. YEah he contributed the most. But that does not make him the best artist. Let's suppose Hendrix was not sucessful and we discovered his albums exactaly as they are ina record shop in seattle today. Would he be less of an artist? Just because he was not recognized? NO! he would be the same man, with the same talents, the fact that an artist is recognized has more to do with the public in general than with him. Nirvana is very influential too, but thei music suck ass. Its much worse than Alice in chanis or soundgarden. Who was more important and who contributed the most to music history? among the seattle alternative bands? Nirvana and Kurt Cobain. Who was the most talented of the guys? Chris Cornell from Soundgarden and Jerry Cantrel from AIC. I am not saying this is the case with Hendrix, but your arguments are poor. Cause we can use the same arguments to say how great is Cobain and Dave Murray form Iron Maiden. And it fails. [Edited 3/1/05 11:04am] |
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With all your attempts to make counterpoints and attempts to call my arguements weak, when all is said and done without all of the hypotheticals, semantics and etc., Jimi reigns over Prince in music history in terms of contributions. That is fact. | |
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7salles said: It's no just singing and dancing. Prince is a better piano player, a better bass player. he knows more about music theory than Hendrix. He is better at writing love verses. So there is lots of things that Prince does better than Hendrix too. As there is lots of things that Hendrix does better too. Prince is not Michael Jackson. Michael Jackson can only sing and dance better than Hendrix, Prince no, he has lot of abilities. It's not that I am biased toward Prince, but you say that our arguments are arguments that only Prince fans would defend, but you seem pretty fanatical about Hendrix, if everything you say is true he was the GOD, the start and end of all music.
Hmmm, Prince MAY be a better keyboard player than hendrix (though hendrix's keyboard parts are hard to hear a lot of the time), but I think it's debatable who was a better bass player: most people who can play guitar can play bass and vice versa. In terms of music theory, I'm not so sure about that either. Prince doesn't lknow how to read music and was never formally trained or educated in it, nor was hendrix, so that's pretty much a draw as far as I'm concerned, and I'm sure hendrix knew as much about meter, dynamics, arrangement etc. as prince. I'm not quite sure what you mean by "love verses" but I find hendrix's lyrics to be just as interesting and his love songs just as moving. No Prince is not michael jackson (although that's not necessarily a bad thing), No Hendrix is not god, and yes prince can do things hendrix cannot and vice versa, I just don't think Prince is the superior artist and so many of the respects that prince fans try to argue that he is are completely fallacious or subjective. | |
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"With all your attempts to make counterpoints and attempts to call my arguements weak, when all is said and done without all of the hypotheticals, semantics and etc., Jimi reigns over Prince in music history in terms of contributions. That is fact."
That is OK. Kurt Cobain reigns over Eric Johnson too, in music history in terms of contributions. That means what?  |
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Blackknight::: Over half a thread you and I have gone back and forth. I never said that Prince was going to take Jimi's place in history, or that he was even a better guitar player. I do think that Prince is a better overall musician than Hendrix. You seem to think that Prince has not in any way transcened his influences, but in many ways he has. It's not just hard core Prince fans that think so-some of the most accomplished musicians and music critics/historians in the world think so as well: Jimmy Jam-" He does everything well. Greatest guitar player? You might say Jimi Hendrix, but you'd have to put Prince in the Top 5 of a bunch of categories -- songwriting, performing, musicianship. Maybe he's not No. 1 in any of those, but if you put all that stuff together, he is No. 1. Besides all that, he's a visionary, the way he fused music and film in "Purple Rain" or the way he put his stage shows together or his concepts for things like the Time. All those facets, he does better than anyone else; but somehow it's all in one package. I don't think anybody's done that better." Wow, so is his opinion more expert than yours and mine? Yes. Maybe it doesn't count because he's Prince's friend. Well, Jimmy Jam is also one of the most successful musical forces ever. You said Prince isn't a great soul singer, here is a quote from someone who knows more than you and I about soul singing: Al Green- "His contributions have been tremendous. He's a super artist. To me, Prince don't have as many blemishes as a lot of other super-superstars with these different elements that they get themselves into. Prince has got a space in here and it's just for him and can't nobody take it. Just like you can't take the Four Tops' space, you can't take Al's space, you can't take Aretha's space, Prince has got a piece of this puzzle." and another Anita Baker- "People don't even realize what he's done. There's such depth to who he is as a businessman, as an artist, as a producer. When you look at him, he's like this amazing hybrid. It's like James Brown with a guitar, it's Jimi Hendrix, the swagger of Jim Morrison, he's just this amazing hybrid of every artist who ever influenced him. He takes his own outrageousness and sets it on top of those influences -- and then there's the businessman on top of that." Only Prince fans thinks he has transcended his influences huh? Now I never ever claimed that Prince or Pantera rocked harder than Jimi. However, thanks so much for giving me your opinion anyways. Here is someone who knows about hard rock and his opinion: Robert Plant- "I think Prince is stunning and one of the cornerstones of contemporary music. I could never be what he is-he's an absolute Genius." Paul Stanley of Kiss- "Prince has been an innovator and a groundbreaker. From that early album with "I Wanna Be Your Lover" on it, he's somebody I've watched. First time I saw him was in a club in New York in like 1979. The music and the show just blew me away." Lars Ulrich of Metallica- " I've always had a tremendous amount of respect for Prince first and foremost because he challenges the status quo. Anyone who plays by his own rules, that's great. I relate to his individuality. He's not part of a scheme, not part of a wave, not part of a fashion, not part of a trend. He's his own damn thing. That's absolutely cool." Well those three don't seem to think that Prince is "standing on the shoulders of his influences", or "failing miserably at trying to copy Hendrix" do they? Did I ever say Prince is better than Jimi on guitar? No. More important than Jimi? No. I said Prince is a more accomplished musician. Listen, I've given you sources, quotes from legitimate and accomplished music experts and musicians about Prince's place in music history. He is right up there with Stevie, Jimi, James, The Beatles, The Stones, Sly, George, etc. I never said he was more important than any of them. However, is not just an imitator as you seem to think. Now, you have yet to prove that Jimi is a more accomplished overall musician than Prince. Show me Jimi playing drums, keyboards, bass guitar. Show me Jimi Producing, arranging, composing, and performing all the songs on an album. Show me his charts success, show me him dancing, show me quotes from musicians/critics regarding his all time greatness other than on guitar or as a cultural figure. You want this conversation to be over then it is. You think I am insane for thinking Prince is among the all time greats? Well, I am in good company. I leave you with a quote from Jon Bream's article (a well respected MPLS music historian/critic who has been harsh to Prince at times.) March 2004- "Prince is the most complete rock star ever. That might sound like a preposterous overstatement that begs for some qualifier. But none is necessary. He is singular in stature. That's why the Twin Cities' most famous musicmaker will be inducted Monday into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in his first year of eligibility. Who else in pop history could sing, write, arrange and produce music in a variety of styles; play a wide range of instruments with remarkable skill; shine onstage and on screen -- and create an alluring mystique while being a visionary musically, visually and commercially? Back in 1980 when he was a rising R&B star, he wore bikini underwear and a trenchcoat while singing deliciously catchy rock songs about incest and oral sex. This year, he donned a conservative (for him) purple suit to open the Grammy Awards with a rousing medley from "Purple Rain," upstaging his 22-year-old duet partner, Beyoncé. In that brief moment with pop's It Girl, Prince reminded us that he's the most dazzling performer of his generation, more so than Bruce Springsteen, Michael Jackson or Madonna. "I'm always floored every time I've seen him live," says Hall of Famer David Bowie, also a revolutionary on stage. "There's very few people to touch him." Ask anyone from John Mellencamp (who didn't get elected to the Hall of Fame this year) to OutKast (who will join Alicia Keys in giving induction speeches for Prince on Monday), and they will tell you that Prince is arguably the most widely respected musician of the past 25 years. "To see without all the trappings of the imaging and see him as a pure musician, it's my greatest thrill ever," said Jimmy Jam, a Prince protégé who went on to work with such Hall of Famers as Michael Jackson, Sting and Aretha Franklin. Prince's gifts are once in a generation. "He's a rare individual touched by a higher power," says Ron McCurdy, a trumpeter and chairman of jazz studies at the University of Southern California who spent the 1990s at the University of Minnesota. "I would put him up there with Duke Ellington and Miles Davis. "I always measure greatness by staying power. The Stevie Wonders, the Billy Joels, who are able to write songs that stick, that people remember, that touch people's soul. And certainly Prince will be one of them." "Where Dylan forged the role of the modern singer/song writer, Prince set standards for musicianship, stagecraft and business innovation. He created spectacular arena tours and broke all modern records for prolificacy, cranking out albums faster than Warner Bros. could (or would) release them, all the while spinning off side projects and helping neglected heroes get a new start." [Edited 3/1/05 13:25pm] "New Power slide...." |
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7Salles: That was a horrible analogy you used. Kurt wasn't blending and borrowing from Eric Johnson to come up with his sound. Do better with the analogies next time, k? Skywalker: Dude, I can find similiar comments about people like Kanye West, Puff Daddy and Teddy Riley. Celebs always pump up other celebs; especially when they're hot at the moment or when they've worked with them. Whether or not they mean what they say to a reporter is another thing. I wouldn't place too much weight in quotes. There are just as many about Jimi if not more. The difference? He's dead. People don't have to speak of him at all, but they do. Why do people fanatically take everything said that is anything short of worship as an attack on Prince? I think he's a great artist. Prince fans can't seem to accept that other people don't think of Prince as the end-all-be-all of music. I like Jimi, but he had his shortcomings as well. I'm not denying that. I never said Prince didn't surpass Jimi in some aspects. I did say that Prince is not the guitarist that Jimi was and unless you can find a qoute from the Lord Himself, I'm sticking to that. There is nothing you or a list of ex-druggie stars can say to change that. Just because someone is famous, that does not make their opinion more valid. btw, I never called Prince an imitator. I said he has gone down in history for things other than what Jimi had. Fans here seem to love to name off the people Prince has influenced, but hate to acknowledge Prince's influences unless its in some sort of condecending "he's surpassed them" type of manner. Do I put Prince in the top five greatest artists in history? HELL NO. He's bad, but come on. When I think of all the jazz & classical artists as well as some of the lesser known artists IN HISTORY, I'd be a fool and a liar to say such a thing. There are cats that actually play 26+ instruments WELL that don't have record deals. Rank Prince over them? No. Prince is a great artist, but far from the only artist. I respect him and what he has done, but I'm not going to elevate him over others who are more talented just because I may like his songs better, or because he's more popular or has sold more records, etc. Nothing has changed. This is pointless. I'm out. | |
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Blaqueknite, the fact that YOU assume Prince borrows from Hendrix has nothing to do with the fact that changing the musical world has more to do with the world and what they want to hear than with the talent of the artist. I agree with you in some aspects of what you say. But me and skywalker are not saying and never said that HEndrix is a better guitar player than Prince or a more inovative artist. The discussion begined because me and him thinks that Prince is an overall better artist then hendrix, and jacktheimprovident thinks he is not. It is just this. nothign more than that. |
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skywalker said: Blackknight::: Over half a thread you and I have gone back and forth. I never said that Prince was going to take Jimi's place in history, or that he was even a better guitar player. I do think that Prince is a better overall musician than Hendrix. You seem to think that Prince has not in any way transcened his influences, but in many ways he has. It's not just hard core Prince fans that think so-some of the most accomplished musicians and music critics/historians in the world think so as well: Jimmy Jam-" He does everything well. Greatest guitar player? You might say Jimi Hendrix, but you'd have to put Prince in the Top 5 of a bunch of categories -- songwriting, performing, musicianship. Maybe he's not No. 1 in any of those, but if you put all that stuff together, he is No. 1. Besides all that, he's a visionary, the way he fused music and film in "Purple Rain" or the way he put his stage shows together or his concepts for things like the Time. All those facets, he does better than anyone else; but somehow it's all in one package. I don't think anybody's done that better." Wow, so is his opinion more expert than yours and mine? Yes. Maybe it doesn't count because he's Prince's friend. Well, Jimmy Jam is also one of the most successful musical forces ever. You said Prince isn't a great soul singer, here is a quote from someone who knows more than you and I about soul singing: Al Green- "His contributions have been tremendous. He's a super artist. To me, Prince don't have as many blemishes as a lot of other super-superstars with these different elements that they get themselves into. Prince has got a space in here and it's just for him and can't nobody take it. Just like you can't take the Four Tops' space, you can't take Al's space, you can't take Aretha's space, Prince has got a piece of this puzzle." and another Anita Baker- "People don't even realize what he's done. There's such depth to who he is as a businessman, as an artist, as a producer. When you look at him, he's like this amazing hybrid. It's like James Brown with a guitar, it's Jimi Hendrix, the swagger of Jim Morrison, he's just this amazing hybrid of every artist who ever influenced him. He takes his own outrageousness and sets it on top of those influences -- and then there's the businessman on top of that." Only Prince fans thinks he has transcended his influences huh? Now I never ever claimed that Prince or Pantera rocked harder than Jimi. However, thanks so much for giving me your opinion anyways. Here is someone who knows about hard rock and his opinion: Robert Plant- "I think Prince is stunning and one of the cornerstones of contemporary music. I could never be what he is-he's an absolute Genius." Paul Stanley of Kiss- "Prince has been an innovator and a groundbreaker. From that early album with "I Wanna Be Your Lover" on it, he's somebody I've watched. First time I saw him was in a club in New York in like 1979. The music and the show just blew me away." Lars Ulrich of Metallica- " I've always had a tremendous amount of respect for Prince first and foremost because he challenges the status quo. Anyone who plays by his own rules, that's great. I relate to his individuality. He's not part of a scheme, not part of a wave, not part of a fashion, not part of a trend. He's his own damn thing. That's absolutely cool." Well those three don't seem to think that Prince is "standing on the shoulders of his influences", or "failing miserably at trying to copy Hendrix" do they? Did I ever say Prince is better than Jimi on guitar? No. More important than Jimi? No. I said Prince is a more accomplished musician. Listen, I've given you sources, quotes from legitimate and accomplished music experts and musicians about Prince's place in music history. He is right up there with Stevie, Jimi, James, The Beatles, The Stones, Sly, George, etc. I never said he was more important than any of them. However, is not just an imitator as you seem to think. Now, you have yet to prove that Jimi is a more accomplished overall musician than Prince. Show me Jimi playing drums, keyboards, bass guitar. Show me Jimi Producing, arranging, composing, and performing all the songs on an album. Show me his charts success, show me him dancing, show me quotes from musicians/critics regarding his all time greatness other than on guitar or as a cultural figure. You want this conversation to be over then it is. You think I am insane for thinking Prince is among the all time greats? Well, I am in good company. I leave you with a quote from Jon Bream's article (a well respected MPLS music historian/critic who has been harsh to Prince at times.) March 2004- "Prince is the most complete rock star ever. That might sound like a preposterous overstatement that begs for some qualifier. But none is necessary. He is singular in stature. That's why the Twin Cities' most famous musicmaker will be inducted Monday into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in his first year of eligibility. Who else in pop history could sing, write, arrange and produce music in a variety of styles; play a wide range of instruments with remarkable skill; shine onstage and on screen -- and create an alluring mystique while being a visionary musically, visually and commercially? Back in 1980 when he was a rising R&B star, he wore bikini underwear and a trenchcoat while singing deliciously catchy rock songs about incest and oral sex. This year, he donned a conservative (for him) purple suit to open the Grammy Awards with a rousing medley from "Purple Rain," upstaging his 22-year-old duet partner, Beyoncé. In that brief moment with pop's It Girl, Prince reminded us that he's the most dazzling performer of his generation, more so than Bruce Springsteen, Michael Jackson or Madonna. "I'm always floored every time I've seen him live," says Hall of Famer David Bowie, also a revolutionary on stage. "There's very few people to touch him." Ask anyone from John Mellencamp (who didn't get elected to the Hall of Fame this year) to OutKast (who will join Alicia Keys in giving induction speeches for Prince on Monday), and they will tell you that Prince is arguably the most widely respected musician of the past 25 years. "To see without all the trappings of the imaging and see him as a pure musician, it's my greatest thrill ever," said Jimmy Jam, a Prince protégé who went on to work with such Hall of Famers as Michael Jackson, Sting and Aretha Franklin. Prince's gifts are once in a generation. "He's a rare individual touched by a higher power," says Ron McCurdy, a trumpeter and chairman of jazz studies at the University of Southern California who spent the 1990s at the University of Minnesota. "I would put him up there with Duke Ellington and Miles Davis. "I always measure greatness by staying power. The Stevie Wonders, the Billy Joels, who are able to write songs that stick, that people remember, that touch people's soul. And certainly Prince will be one of them." "Where Dylan forged the role of the modern singer/song writer, Prince set standards for musicianship, stagecraft and business innovation. He created spectacular arena tours and broke all modern records for prolificacy, cranking out albums faster than Warner Bros. could (or would) release them, all the while spinning off side projects and helping neglected heroes get a new start." [Edited 3/1/05 13:25pm] This is all well and good, and I'd seen most ohese quotes before BUT I don't think prince ranks above, or even QUITE on the same tier as Jimi, Stevie, the Beatles, James, Sly, George etc. at least not in historical importance and not necessarily in proficiency or overall musicianship either. I love Prince, he's easily one of my top ten favorite artists, but to say he's a greater artist than hendrix is just plain wrong, to say he's even as much of a paradigm shifter or that he's a greater overall musician by virtue of his better singing voice or his proclivity towards playing every instrument is also not entirely fair. | |
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"Dude, I can find similiar comments about people like Kanye West, Puff Daddy and Teddy Riley. " Really? You can find quotes from Jimmy Jam, Robert Plant, Al Green, etc about Kanye, P. Diddy, and Teddy Riley??? Find them then. You said that only Prince fans say that Prince is one of the best in popular music-ever. I just found a bunch of true musical legends opinion's about Prince to prove you wrong. So I challenge you to go ahead and find me where Robert Plant calls Puffy an "absolute Genius." Not once did you offer proof that Jimi was a better all around musician than Prince. You never showed me how many songs he wrote compared to Prince, you never gave me the title of an album that he produced,arranged,composed and performed everything , you never pointed me to pictures or video of Jimi playing the bass, the keyboards, or drums. In short, you tried to claim that Jimi was a "better all around musician/performer" than Prince, but you had no backup-just your opinion. " There are just as many(quotes) about Jimi if not more. " Quotes about his musicianship other than guitar? About his performance skills? Show me them then. I gave you a slew of shit to back up my claims that Prince had Jimi beat in overall musician skills-you gave me nothing. " I never said Prince didn't surpass Jimi in some aspects. I did say that Prince is not the guitarist that Jimi was and unless you can find a qoute from the Lord Himself, I'm sticking to that." No you said "People are trying to COPY what Jimi did on guitar and most including Prince have failed miserably." I never argued that Jimi was not the man on guitar. You never said that Prince was a better musician than Jimi, but you have not proved other wise. [Edited 3/1/05 18:46pm] "New Power slide...." |
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"Hmmm, Prince MAY be a better keyboard player than hendrix (though hendrix's keyboard parts are hard to hear a lot of the time), but I think it's debatable who was a better bass player: most people who can play guitar can play bass and vice versa. In terms of music theory, I'm not so sure about that either. Prince doesn't lknow how to read music and was never formally trained or educated in it, nor was hendrix, so that's pretty much a draw as far as I'm concerned, and I'm sure hendrix knew as much about meter, dynamics, arrangement etc. as prince. I'm not quite sure what you mean by "love verses" but I find hendrix's lyrics to be just as interesting and his love songs just as moving. No Prince is not michael jackson (although that's not necessarily a bad thing), No Hendrix is not god, and yes prince can do things hendrix cannot and vice versa, I just don't think Prince is the superior artist and so many of the respects that prince fans try to argue that he is are completely fallacious or subjective. Bottom line is that what you are say about Jimi's skills are all speculation- " I think it's debatable who was a better bass player: most people who can play guitar can play bass and vice versa. In terms of music theory, I'm not so sure about that either. Prince doesn't lknow how to read music and was never formally trained or educated in it, nor was hendrix, so that's pretty much a draw as far as I'm concerned, and I'm sure hendrix knew as much about meter, dynamics, arrangement etc. as prince. I'm not quite sure what you mean by "love verses" but I find hendrix's lyrics to be just as interesting and his love songs just as moving. " YOU think it's debatable about whose better on bass. YOU are not sure about either. It's a draw as fare as YOU are concerned. YOU find Hendrix's lyrics to be just as moving. "I'm sure hendrix knew as much about meter, dynamics, arrangement etc. as prince.." You are sure??? Have you observed Prince and Hendrix in the studio and discussed music theory???? Jimi's arrangements are simply not as complex as Prince's nor was he a studio wizard. Jimi never had a song as complexly arranged as "Joint to Joint" or "Batdance". I just showed you what a bunch of musical heavyweights think-not just me. Opinions aside-I have proof of Prince workin' the bass video/audio. I have proof that Prince's keyboard parts are not hard to hear, furthermore the whole world has seen him play the keys. Show me a picture-anything of Jimi playing keys, drums, bass. You claim that Prince's skills as a musician aren't up to Jimi's just because you don't think so. You have yet to give any evidence to prove to the contrary. "This is all well and good, and I'd seen most ohese quotes before BUT I don't think prince ranks above, or even QUITE on the same tier as Jimi, Stevie, the Beatles, James, Sly, George etc. at least not in historical importance and not necessarily in proficiency or overall musicianship either. I love Prince, he's easily one of my top ten favorite artists, but to say he's a greater artist than hendrix is just plain wrong, to say he's even as much of a paradigm shifter or that he's a greater overall musician by virtue of his better singing voice or his proclivity towards playing every instrument is also not entirely fair. " I know YOU don't think that Prince is on the same tier as Jimi, Stevie, The Beatles, James, Sly and George. That doesn't make it true. I just gave you quotes from actual musicians who know what the hell they are talking about saying that Prince is indeed in the same class as those guys. Fuck, Stevie, George, James, and McCartney have said so themselves not to mention a slew of others. What I have proved to you was that YOU feeling that Prince isn't up with those other artists is an opinon that doesn't agree with people who really have lived/know popular music. [Edited 3/1/05 18:52pm] "New Power slide...." |
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skywalker said: BlaqueKnight---
"Dude, I can find similiar comments about people like Kanye West, Puff Daddy and Teddy Riley. " Really? You can find quotes from Jimmy Jam, Robert Plant, Al Green, etc about Kanye, P. Diddy, and Teddy Riley??? Find them then. You said that only Prince fans say that Prince is one of the best in popular music-ever. I just found a bunch of true musical legends opinion's about Prince to prove you wrong. So I challenge you to go ahead and find me where Robert Plant calls Puffy an "absolute Genius." Dude, READ. I said I could find similar quotes ABOUT artists, I said nothing about them being by THOSE artists (JJ &TL, RP, AG, etc.); this only applies if you buy into media ego stroking, which I DON'T. I addressed this already. Go back and READ. Not once did you offer proof that Jimi was a better all around musician than Prince.
I said a guitarist is a musician and Prince is not a better guitarist than Jimi was. Just because you play various styles doesn't make you more accomplished. You never showed me how many songs he wrote compared to Prince, you never gave me the title of an album that he produced,arranged,composed and performed everything , you never pointed me to pictures or video of Jimi playing the bass, the keyboards, or drums. In short, you tried to claim that Jimi was a "better all around musician/performer" than Prince, but you had no backup-just your opinion. [/b]
Proof is in the music, not on paper. How can you possibly question Jimi's performance/showman skills when one of the most famous clips of Jimi is him grinding the guitar against the amp (which Prince has done early in his career) and after performing, lighting the guitar on fire. Nobody was doing the things Jimi was onstage back then. How old are you? 12? This footage has been shown a zillion times, even in commercials. Come on, stop playing. And while you're at it, name one COMMERCIALLY RELEASED ALBUM where Prince played everything on every song. " There are just as many(quotes) about Jimi if not more. " Quotes about his musicianship other than guitar? About his performance skills? Show me them then. I gave you a slew of shit to back up my claims that Prince had Jimi beat in overall musician skills-you gave me nothing.
Read an old Rolling Stone. Pick up a Jimi biography. You seem to think a legend like Jimi needs defending. I'm not the one. I'm not going to Google for quotes. It seems everybody in the known world but people here already know how great Jimi was and how he's influenced Prince as well. You seem to be living under the illusion that Prince didn't borrow from Jimi. Keep deceiving yourself. Even the quotes from the performers YOU posted mention Jimi. If you truly want to know, "do the work." No you said "People are trying to COPY what Jimi did on guitar and most including Prince have failed miserably."
I never argued that Jimi was not the man on guitar. You never said that Prince was a better musician than Jimi, but you have not proved other wise.[/b] Every cover of Jimi's that Prince has done has sucked in comparison IMO. You're not the only one with live performanves, bootlegs, etc. Prince has tried to do Jimi covers. Machine Gun, Red House, etc. | |
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All I can say is that Prince is the last great musician this planet has ever seen (there maybe others in the future, but I can't tell the future) and the only one to have emerged from the 80s. Whether he surpassed his predecesors or not is all arguable (this thread is proof of that). I tend to think he has... but that's just my opinion. Good morning Ladies & Gentlemen,
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Dude, READ. I said I could find similar quotes ABOUT artists, I said nothing about them being by THOSE artists (JJ &TL, RP, AG, etc.); this only applies if you buy into media ego stroking, which I DON'T. I addressed this already. Go back and READ.
Dude, find me a quote from anyone saying about Jimi what they say about Prince.Prince does things Jimi couldn't and vice versa. I only used the quotes because you said only hardcore Prince fans think about him in terms of one of the "all time greats" and "taking it beyond his predecessors" which is not true, people (who know more about music/history than you and I) also say these things about Prince----Media stroking or not. "I said a guitarist is a musician and Prince is not a better guitarist than Jimi was. Just because you play various styles doesn't make you more accomplished." Not just various styles, various instruments and styles very successfully. That makes one more accomplished. Proof is in the music, not on paper. How can you possibly question Jimi's performance/showman skills when one of the most famous clips of Jimi is him grinding the guitar against the amp (which Prince has done early in his career) and after performing, lighting the guitar on fire. Nobody was doing the things Jimi was onstage back then. I never questioned Jimi's greatness as a performer. Of course he did things no had done before. Just like Prince is doing things RIGHT NOW onstage that no one (not even Jimi) has done before. Not so completely in one package. Again, not saying Prince is more important/innovative than Jimi-just as talented and a more accomplished and varied musician/performer. Dude, Prince lived to fucking be twice Henrix's age nearly-of course he is more accomplished. He had more time to expand. Not to mention he was already being mentioned with Jimi and other all time greats he was in his 20's. "And while you're at it, name one COMMERCIALLY RELEASED ALBUM where Prince played everything on every song." Prince did it right away on his 1st album "for You. Your turn, name one COMMERCIALLY RELEASED ALBUM (can you find one song?) that Jimi played everything on it. Pick up a Jimi biography. You seem to think a legend like Jimi needs defending. I think he needs defending?? You are the one carrying it on through out the thread. I never once dissed Jimi or undermined what he has done. You seem to be living under the illusion that Prince didn't borrow from Jimi. I never said anything remotely close to that. I'm thankful for Jimi. Read an old Rolling Stone.If you truly want to know, "do the work." I have read countless Rolling Stone articles on Hendrix-new and old. I've read biographies, magazines, documentaries,etc. Nowhere do they every mention that Jimi Hendrix skills were primarily as a multi genre crosser, multi instrumentalist, one man producing,composing, arranging,performing, singer,dancer, movie star, award winner, chart topper, Batdancing, oscar winning, performer/musician. Again, I love Hendrix-but he is not as skilled of an overall musician/performer as Prince. Guitarist? Yes. Innovator? Yes. Cultural Icon? Yes. Every cover of Jimi's that Prince has done has sucked in comparison IMO. You're not the only one with live performanves, bootlegs, etc. Prince has tried to do Jimi covers. Machine Gun, Red House, etc. Again "sucked" is your opinion. I doubt Prince would say his covers were "better" than Jimi's originals.Some might say Hendrix's cover of "all along the watchtower" suck also. Would they be right? No- it's their opinion. Hypothetical-how successful would Jimi be at covering "Pussy Control"? [Edited 3/1/05 21:09pm] "New Power slide...." |
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skywalker said: jacktheimprovident----
"Hmmm, Prince MAY be a better keyboard player than hendrix (though hendrix's keyboard parts are hard to hear a lot of the time), but I think it's debatable who was a better bass player: most people who can play guitar can play bass and vice versa. In terms of music theory, I'm not so sure about that either. Prince doesn't lknow how to read music and was never formally trained or educated in it, nor was hendrix, so that's pretty much a draw as far as I'm concerned, and I'm sure hendrix knew as much about meter, dynamics, arrangement etc. as prince. I'm not quite sure what you mean by "love verses" but I find hendrix's lyrics to be just as interesting and his love songs just as moving. No Prince is not michael jackson (although that's not necessarily a bad thing), No Hendrix is not god, and yes prince can do things hendrix cannot and vice versa, I just don't think Prince is the superior artist and so many of the respects that prince fans try to argue that he is are completely fallacious or subjective. Bottom line is that what you are say about Jimi's skills are all speculation- " I think it's debatable who was a better bass player: most people who can play guitar can play bass and vice versa. In terms of music theory, I'm not so sure about that either. Prince doesn't lknow how to read music and was never formally trained or educated in it, nor was hendrix, so that's pretty much a draw as far as I'm concerned, and I'm sure hendrix knew as much about meter, dynamics, arrangement etc. as prince. I'm not quite sure what you mean by "love verses" but I find hendrix's lyrics to be just as interesting and his love songs just as moving. " YOU think it's debatable about whose better on bass. YOU are not sure about either. It's a draw as fare as YOU are concerned. YOU find Hendrix's lyrics to be just as moving. "I'm sure hendrix knew as much about meter, dynamics, arrangement etc. as prince.." You are sure??? Have you observed Prince and Hendrix in the studio and discussed music theory???? Jimi's arrangements are simply not as complex as Prince's nor was he a studio wizard. Jimi never had a song as complexly arranged as "Joint to Joint" or "Batdance". I just showed you what a bunch of musical heavyweights think-not just me. Opinions aside-I have proof of Prince workin' the bass video/audio. I have proof that Prince's keyboard parts are not hard to hear, furthermore the whole world has seen him play the keys. Show me a picture-anything of Jimi playing keys, drums, bass. You claim that Prince's skills as a musician aren't up to Jimi's just because you don't think so. You have yet to give any evidence to prove to the contrary. "This is all well and good, and I'd seen most ohese quotes before BUT I don't think prince ranks above, or even QUITE on the same tier as Jimi, Stevie, the Beatles, James, Sly, George etc. at least not in historical importance and not necessarily in proficiency or overall musicianship either. I love Prince, he's easily one of my top ten favorite artists, but to say he's a greater artist than hendrix is just plain wrong, to say he's even as much of a paradigm shifter or that he's a greater overall musician by virtue of his better singing voice or his proclivity towards playing every instrument is also not entirely fair. " I know YOU don't think that Prince is on the same tier as Jimi, Stevie, The Beatles, James, Sly and George. That doesn't make it true. I just gave you quotes from actual musicians who know what the hell they are talking about saying that Prince is indeed in the same class as those guys. Fuck, Stevie, George, James, and McCartney have said so themselves not to mention a slew of others. What I have proved to you was that YOU feeling that Prince isn't up with those other artists is an opinon that doesn't agree with people who really have lived/know popular music. [Edited 3/1/05 18:52pm] Sure it's just my opinion, just like it's just YOUR opinion that Jimi wasn't as good a bass or keyboard player. Prince has more prominently displayed his keyboard skills but they really aren't that fantastic (jimi's piano and harpsichord parts are pretty solid if not totally virtuoso), nor is his bass playing. Jimi is quite good on bass and Ladlyand is pretty good evidence of that (btw when has prince ever played flute or any other wind instruments). His arrangements aren't as complex? he's not as much of a studio wizard? Hendrix pioneered complex arranging and production more than anyone except Zappa, brian wilson and the beatles. Joint 2 Joint may have a complex/morphing arrangement but Merman and 3rd stone from the sun and at least a few others are far more sublime and are just as complicated. Hell listen to all the weird guitar tones and aural collages and tape effects (EXP, and the gods made love, all throughout axis and ladyland really) jimi used and tell me he wasn't a studio wizard. Batdance is merely an album sampler pastiche using a technique that didn't exist yet in jimi's time, and it would never be considered one of prince's greater songs or arrangements. As far as music theory, when have YOU ever discussed music theory with EITHER of them, that's a completely irrelevant argument since no one has or could. once again, Prince is great, prince is a suitable heir to the great artists of the past, but he's not necessarily their better or even their equal. Prince has made similar comments about his predecessors and some of his successors even in regards to how great or inspiring or amazing they were. Praise among ones' peers is just that; an expression of respect not a "proof" of one's superiority. Prince has abilities that hendrix didn't have, but the reverse is true and prince is not unequivocally better than hendrix in the capacities that you and so many other people have cited. | |
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"just like it's just YOUR opinion that Jimi wasn't as good a bass or keyboard player."
Right, but my opinion is based on the fact that Prince has been seen and heard over and over again diplaying his talents on other instruments. Jimi-not as much you have to dig to find it. Again, maybe it's a product of Jimi dying young. "Prince is great, prince is a suitable heir to the great artists of the past, but he's not necessarily their better or even their equal." Yes. However, who is to say that Prince isn't their equal--when many of them say it themselves? Just lip service??? Did you find an album/song of Jimi's in which he played all he instruments? A dance song? A Rap song? See, that is why I think Prince is more accomplished, overall, as a musician. We got to see more evidence/music variety and success from Prince With Jimi-it is hard to prove because you only have 4 years to pick from. However, Prince in 4 year period could definitely run with Jimi. Pass him (yes, in my opinion) depending on the years. I guess the main crux of this debate ultimately comes down to Dr. J versus Jordan, Ali vs. Tyson, and Woods vs. Palmer. As long as you recogize Prince is right up there with Jimi, Stevie, The Beatles,James,etc.-- I can respect that Hendrix means more to you and yours than Prince does to me and mine. Thanks for the debate-no hard feelings, I hope. [Edited 3/1/05 21:58pm] "New Power slide...." |
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Prince did NOT play everything on "For You". Prince and Andre did. Andre sued over this in the 80s. Andre played on All three of Prince's first records AND on a couple of songs on "Controversy". He who has the deal controls the liner notes, so they don't always tell the whole truth. AGAIN, for the ten thousandth time - WB chose to market him as a one man band/the next Stevie Wonder. WTF is wrong with everyone these days? I'm sorry I can't retrofit my "time machine" with a digital camera and record every artist who records in the studio. Video was a lot more advanced in the 80s than the 60s. Excuuuusseeee me for not being able to change that. Many artists are multi-instrumentalists, but don't choose to do everything on their own or do and don't make a bloated point of it. Stanley Clarke is an example of a more proficient multi-instrumentalist than Prince who not only plays more instruments, but is on another level a few notches above Prince in the composing/arranging/playing dept. He's jazz and is primarily known for his bass playing, but if you collect his albums you'll see more instruments played by him than you will on any Prince CD. Was I there? Do I have video of it? No. Is it a known fact? Yes. The silly notion of needing video proof of everyone's ability to play in the studio is fucking retarded. Ain't gonna happen. Not everyone's ego is raging to the point that they need to exclaim to the world that they play multiple instruments. Some just do it because its necessary. You can't see the air you're breathing, but if you run out of it, you'll damn sure be gasping for it. Same for music. It gets recorded. It had to get there somehow. Not everyone makes it a point to videotape it or go on tour and try to prove it; some people JUST DO IT.
This has gone on long enough. We may as well agree to disagree. Prince reigns supreme on Prince,org as he should. In the real world there are other artists; some of them surpass Prince. [Edited 3/1/05 22:48pm] | |
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skywalker said: "just like it's just YOUR opinion that Jimi wasn't as good a bass or keyboard player."
Right, but my opinion is based on the fact that Prince has been seen and heard over and over again diplaying his talents on other instruments. Jimi-not as much you have to dig to find it. Again, maybe it's a product of Jimi dying young. "Prince is great, prince is a suitable heir to the great artists of the past, but he's not necessarily their better or even their equal." Yes. However, who is to say that Prince isn't their equal--when many of them say it themselves? Just lip service??? Did you find an album/song of Jimi's in which he played all he instruments? A dance song? A Rap song? See, that is why I think Prince is more accomplished, overall, as a musician. We got to see more evidence/music variety and success from Prince With Jimi-it is hard to prove because you only have 4 years to pick from. However, Prince in 4 year period could definitely run with Jimi. Pass him (yes, in my opinion) depending on the years. I guess the main crux of this debate ultimately comes down to Dr. J versus Jordan, Ali vs. Tyson, and Woods vs. Palmer. As long as you recogize Prince is right up there with Jimi, Stevie, The Beatles,James,etc.-- I can respect that Hendrix means more to you and yours than Prince does to me and mine. Thanks for the debate-no hard feelings, I hope. [Edited 3/1/05 21:58pm] No definitely no hard feelings, and you make some good points. Arguing for me is never personal, no matter how heated it gets  | |
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"Prince did NOT play everything on "For You". Prince and Andre did. Andre sued over this in the 80s. Andre played on All three of Prince's first records AND on a couple of songs on "Controversy". He who has the deal controls the liner notes, so they don't always tell the whole truth. AGAIN, for the ten thousandth time - WB chose to market him as a one man band/the next Stevie Wonder."
So did Andre win his lawsuit?? No. Did the linear notes change?? No. Promotion aside, the fact still remains that Prince plays more instruments on his albums than Jimi ever did--that is a fact. Andre maybe played on some songs (according to Andre and his sources) but that doesn't diminish the fact that Prince IS a one man band and has done it alone on many a song. "Stanley Clarke is an example of a more proficient multi-instrumentalist than Prince who not only plays more instruments, but is on another level a few notches above Prince in the composing/arranging/playing dept. He's jazz and is primarily known for his bass playing, but if you collect his albums you'll see more instruments played by him than you will on any Prince CD." Yeah, but has Stanely Clarke been as successful/well known as either Jimi or Prince?? No. Yeah, there is a shit ton of Jazz and classical musicians who could waste Prince's ass musically--but, we are talking about mainstream popular music here. Not comparing jazz musicians to mainstream popular music. WTF is wrong with everyone these days? I'm sorry I can't retrofit my "time machine" with a digital camera and record every artist who records in the studio. Video was a lot more advanced in the 80s than the 60s. Excuuuusseeee me for not being able to change that. Right, but there is a ton of footage and recordings an pictures of Jimi hat have been dug up and none of it points to him kicking ass on the drums/keyboards/dancing etc. It's not like there is a tape of Jimi playing drums like Prince does on "Sign o' the Times" that mysteriously got lost in a drug induced haze of the 60's and 70's. I'm sorry I can't go back in time a record who actually played what on "For You"---- anything you and I say past what is documented is just speculation. You HAVE documentation linear notes/video/etc. of Prince doing things that Jimi never did. Again, does that make Jimi less influencial, important or talented? No. I never his legacy was diminished or that he was overrated-you are the one who seems so upset. Not everyone makes it a point to videotape it or go on tour and try to prove it; some people JUST DO IT. All I am saying (again) is this--- We can only compare what Jimi did to what Prince did by looking at proof. Otherwise, it is just speculation. If you can point me to an album/video anything of say Jimi rockin' the bass then I'll say "Wow, Jimi was really good on the bass." I dig Hendrix, but I have yet to see him doing some of the things that Prince does This has gone on long enough. We may as well agree to disagree. Prince reigns supreme on Prince,org as he should. In the real world there are other artists; some of them surpass Prince. Right, there are many who surpass Prince's individual talents--I've always maintained this. However, none before him have been so talented (Jimi included) in so many areas at the same time and been as successful as Prince has. That is not just a raving Prince fan's opinion---it is a lot of schooled popular music scholars/musicians opinions. Ask Jimmy Jam, ask Robert Plant, ask Kurt Loder, etc. [Edited 3/2/05 10:48am] "New Power slide...." |
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jacktheimprovident said: Differences
Prince isn't as good, or at least as important a guitar player as hendrix Prince hasn't released three of the best albums in rock history (PR and SOTT aren't as good as any of the three hendrix albums IMO) Prince is arguably a more technically skilled vocalist, but his voice isn't as appealing as hendrix's Prince is often a one man band, whereas hendrix was a capable multi-instrumentalist who could've been a one man band but didn't want to lose the organic interplay between a real group. Prince doesn't have the uncanny ability to completely reinvent someone else's song the way hendrix had. Prince wasn't as convincing doing jazz as hendrix was IMO (this is also debatable) Prince is a better dancer than hendrix (then again I've never seen hendrix dance) Hendrix rocks harder than prince, though they're equally eclectic Prince used a lot more synthesizers in his music. Prince produced and wrote songs for other artists, Hendrix has been covered more than almost anybody else Prince produced himself from day one, Hendrix wasn't fully in charge of production until his third album Prince has hundreds of unreleased songs he's withheld, hendrix has hundreds of unreleased songs he never got the chance to release Prince is usually categorized as funk-rock, Hendrix as psychedelic rock, though both are less simple than that Prince was inspired by George Clinton, Hendrix inspired George Clinton Prince is short, Hendrix was tall Much of what you say in your post is subjective. Whether one album is better than another or one voice more appealing than another should be left up to the listener to decide. Those kinds of things have to do with personal taste. I'm sure these are your personal tastes, but don't use them in what should be factual comparison. One thing I'm sure of is that Prince's vocal ability far surpasses Hendrix. Prince has an incredible range. I am a singer with an above average range and I can't hit the lowest or highest notes that Prince hits. Most of what I've heard from Jimi lies in the mid range and is not difficult in any way to sing. Jimi admittedly was insecure about his voice. It fit his style but that doesn't mean it waa technically good. I am also a multi-instrumental musician and I feel that Prince and Jimi are both great musicians in their own right...technically. In this aspect I think alot of great things can be said about both. I'm surprised that more people don't mention the drug stuff. Jimi was a hard core drug user and some of that may be responsible for his creativity (although I'm sure he was a creative individual anyway). Prince is a workaholic who has always abhorred drug and alcohol use. As a result he has a huge catalog that comprises material for himself and many sidegroups (time, vanity six) as well as solo artists. As far as creative production I don't think there is anyone who can keep up the pace with Prince, mostly as a result of his work ethic. Both artists were very innovative in their own right. I've never heard sounds like the ones Prince got out of the LM1 linn drum, very original and innovative and Prince to this day is always capable of getting some of the freshest and coolest synth and guitar tones. As for Jimi influencing Prince....OF COURSE he did. It's because he came first. As for those who say Jimi could've done this or that, all we can do is speculate because he didn't have enough discipline coupled with love for his life and art to take it easy on the substances. There is no one to blame for that but Jimi. Didn't realize I was going to write a book "Life is just a party and parties weren't meant to last"
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Right, there are many who surpass Prince's individual talents--I've always maintained this. However, none before him have been so talented (Jimi included) in so many areas at the same time and been as successful as Prince has. That is not just a raving Prince fan's opinion---it is a lot of schooled popular music scholars/musicians opinions. Ask Jimmy Jam, ask Robert Plant, ask Kurt Loder, etc.
[Edited 3/2/05 10:48am] [/quote] I think Bowie and Stevie are two people who are as talented in as many areas as prince and were as, if not more successful. BUT neither Bowie or Stevie could do the splits . | |
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Skywalker said: Right, there are many who surpass Prince's individual talents--I've always maintained this. However, none before him have been so talented (Jimi included) in so many areas at the same time and been as successful as Prince has. That is not just a raving Prince fan's opinion---it is a lot of schooled popular music scholars/musicians opinions. Ask Jimmy Jam, ask Robert Plant, ask Kurt Loder, etc.
[Edited 3/2/05 10:48am] jacktheimprovident said I think Bowie and Stevie are two people who are as talented in as many areas as prince and were as, if not more successful. BUT neither Bowie or Stevie could do the splits . Neither could Robert Plant. He would have split his pants. 
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jacktheimprovident said: Differences
Prince isn't as good, or at least as important a guitar player as hendrix Prince hasn't released three of the best albums in rock history (PR and SOTT aren't as good as any of the three hendrix albums IMO) Prince is arguably a more technically skilled vocalist, but his voice isn't as appealing as hendrix's Prince is often a one man band, whereas hendrix was a capable multi-instrumentalist who could've been a one man band but didn't want to lose the organic interplay between a real group. Prince doesn't have the uncanny ability to completely reinvent someone else's song the way hendrix had. Prince wasn't as convincing doing jazz as hendrix was IMO (this is also debatable) Prince is a better dancer than hendrix (then again I've never seen hendrix dance) Hendrix rocks harder than prince, though they're equally eclectic Prince used a lot more synthesizers in his music. Prince produced and wrote songs for other artists, Hendrix has been covered more than almost anybody else Prince produced himself from day one, Hendrix wasn't fully in charge of production until his third album Prince has hundreds of unreleased songs he's withheld, hendrix has hundreds of unreleased songs he never got the chance to release Prince is usually categorized as funk-rock, Hendrix as psychedelic rock, though both are less simple than that Prince was inspired by George Clinton, Hendrix inspired George Clinton Prince is short, Hendrix was tall Hey!! I like your post!! I totally agree with your points. When I saw Prince perform last year and he did a solo totally dedicated to Hendrix. When he was done he laid the guitar down and laid a white hankie over it as if to say it was for the deceased (Hendrix.) You are really making me think about Hendrix's three albums being more influential than Prince's output..... Prince is a genius at what he does but he and no one else compares to Hendrix on the guitar.... But like you say Prince is influenced by Jimi not the other way around. Both are two very neccessary talents. | |
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"I think Bowie and Stevie are two people who are as talented in as many areas as prince and were as, if not more successful. BUT neither Bowie or Stevie could do the splits "
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I like your post!! I totally agree with your points. When I saw Prince perform last year and he did a solo totally dedicated to Hendrix. When he was done he laid the guitar down and laid a white hankie over it as if to say it was for the deceased (Hendrix.)
was the solo/song he performed "whole lotta love"??? "New Power slide...." |
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the secrect of jimi hendrix is his very long thumb
he can play bass lines while he is playing rythem while he is playing lead at the same time. he can never be matched. check it out. | |
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